Pandemic 2020

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Fogdog

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That's all fine and dandy but studies are coming out that say a large majority of covid patients are showing heart and vascular damage after their recovery, even the ones with mild cases. Bottom line is if you get it, you only have a small chance of coming out of it without long term damage. Without a safe and effective vaccine we are fucked, end of story.
What percentage of patients with COVID-19 need to be hospitalized?

Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor. However, for some people it can cause serious illness.

Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. People who are aged over 60 years, and people who have underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease or hypertension are among those who are at greater risk.



We know that about 40 percent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients may have heart problems and stroke. Stroke patients may have increased risk for complications if they are affected by COVID-19.


I might be wrong but doesn't that add up to 8% of people who contract the virus end up with heart and stroke problems?

20% who are infected require hospital care x 40% of those hospitalized have heart and stroke problems = 8%
 

hanimmal

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The reason is: the stock market. Don't want to stifle Don Dolt's narrative. (Donald J Dolt has a good ring to it.) There will be no vaccine, or treatment before the election. Oh, Skyler, remember I said that.
Oh look, markets are up this morning on this talk.
 

hillbill

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Does anyone seriously think that all those big US corporations on the exchanges are worth more today than pre-pandemic?
Come fucking on! Trillions of dollars pored into the economy by taxpayers with nowhere to go so up go the mostly irrelevant markets. That’s the crutch supporting this shit. Lots of open air under those stock values to fall through.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Too true. That's the way I see it. And...humanity needs a reset. Mother Nature is getting rid of it's vector, naturally, and that is us.
It sure seems like a lot of Americans are getting selected out of the evolutionary race, but random events are a big factor in extinctions too. I believe other countries have demonstrated that this pandemic can be managed with proper public health measures, it's not perfect and it's not pleasant sometimes. It costs and it sucks, but it can be done all other peer nations have proven this, covid has also proven how dangerous, incompetent and stupid Trump really is.

Get covid under reasonable control like NY state for instance and treatments can have an impact on mortality and maiming rates. There would be enough quality plasma, antibody and antiviral drugs combos for all, this along with blood thinners and steroids can make a big difference, one public health measures are implemented and results like NY attained. It's not perfect but it's better than nothing, letting this fucking thing run wild like Trump has done gives it more of a chance to mutate into something worse.

Now Trump is trying politise the only solution, a national lockdown, saying Joe will impose one, of fucking course he will impose a national reset to the extent he and the congress legally can. A national shut down is the only solution, only states like NY that are below a certain case threshold would be allowed restricted activities etc. Donald is now using this in his election bullshit, poisoning the waters for the only solution available to resolve the situation and begin recovery. Just one more example of how this stupid asshole will continue to murder people even after he's gone from power and in prison.

The good we do lives beyond us, so does the evil.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What percentage of patients with COVID-19 need to be hospitalized?

Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor. However, for some people it can cause serious illness.

Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. People who are aged over 60 years, and people who have underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease or hypertension are among those who are at greater risk.



We know that about 40 percent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients may have heart problems and stroke. Stroke patients may have increased risk for complications if they are affected by COVID-19.


I might be wrong but doesn't that add up to 8% of people who contract the virus end up with heart and stroke problems?

20% who are infected require hospital care x 40% of those hospitalized have heart and stroke problems = 8%
I posted an article on a recent german study on asymptomatic and mild case people a few pages back on this thread and the results on heart issues were shocking. If this illness results in heart damage to a significant portion of the infected population this can have big implications for America, it would be a pre existing condition for one thing and maim people for life for another.

Perhaps in the future blood thinners and steroid anti inflammatories will be used on mildly ill and positive testing people while they are infected. maybe they will make an all in one pill for mild and positive cases, perhaps it might offer some protection for the heart and vascular system at least.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What percentage of patients with COVID-19 need to be hospitalized?

Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor. However, for some people it can cause serious illness.

Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care. People who are aged over 60 years, and people who have underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease or hypertension are among those who are at greater risk.



We know that about 40 percent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients may have heart problems and stroke. Stroke patients may have increased risk for complications if they are affected by COVID-19.


I might be wrong but doesn't that add up to 8% of people who contract the virus end up with heart and stroke problems?

20% who are infected require hospital care x 40% of those hospitalized have heart and stroke problems = 8%
Here is a repost of the article, it's normally behind a paywall so here is the whole thing


www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease
Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.
www.nytimes.com
www.nytimes.com

Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease
Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.


SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, was initially thought to primarily impact the lungs — SARS stands for “severe acute respiratory syndrome.” Now we know there is barely a part of the body this infection spares. And emerging data show that some of the virus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.

Eduardo Rodriguez was poised to start as the No. 1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox this season. But in July the 27-year-old tested positive for Covid-19. Feeling “100 years old,” he told reporters: “I’ve never been that sick in my life, and I don’t want to get that sick again.” His symptoms abated, but a few weeks later he felt so tired after throwing about 20 pitches during practice that his team told him to stop and rest.
Further investigation revealed that he had a condition many are still struggling to understand: Covid-19-associated myocarditis. Mr. Rodriguez won’t be playing baseball this season.

Myocarditis means inflammation of the heart muscle. Some patients are never bothered by it, but for others it can have serious implications. And Mr. Rodriguez isn’t the only athlete to suffer from it: Multiple college football players have possibly developed myocarditis from Covid-19, putting the entire college football landscape in jeopardy.

I recently treated one Covid-19 patient in his early 50s. He had been in perfect shape with no history of serious illness. When the fevers and body aches started, he locked himself in his room. But instead of getting better, his condition deteriorated and he eventually accumulated gallons of fluid in his legs. When he came to the hospital unable to catch a breath, it wasn’t his lungs that had pushed him to the brink — it was his heart. Now we are evaluating him to see if he needs a heart transplant.

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.


Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.
Researchers are still figuring out how SARS-CoV-2 causes myocarditis — whether it’s through the virus directly injuring the heart or whether it’s from the virulent immune reaction that it stimulates. It’s possible that part of the success of immunosuppressant medications such as the steroid dexamethasone in treating sick Covid-19 patients comes from their preventing inflammatory damage to the heart. Such steroids are commonly used to treat cases of myocarditis. Despite treatment, more severe forms of Covid-19-associated myocarditis can lead to permanent damage of the heart — which, in turn, can lead to heart failure.

But myocarditis is not the only way Covid-19 can cause more people to die of heart disease. When I analyzed data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, I found that since February nearly 25,000 more Americans have died of heart disease compared with the same period in previous years. Some of these deaths could be put down to Covid-19, but the majority are likely to be because patients deferred care for their hearts. That could lead to a wave of untreated heart disease in the wake of the pandemic.

Many patients are understandably apprehensive about coming back to the clinic or hospital. The American Heart Association has started a campaign called “Don’t Die of Doubt” to address the alarming reduction in people calling 911 or seeking medical care after a heart attack or stroke.
Since the beginning of the pandemic, it’s been clear that people with heart disease or related conditions such as diabetes or high blood pressure are at increased risk for severe Covid-19 illness. The C.D.C. recommends that the more than 30 million Americans living with heart disease practice extra precautions to avoid infection. Hospitals and clinics should work overtime both to ensure they are safe for patients and to bolster telemedicine services so that patients can be cared for without having to leave their homes.

Doctors and researchers should no longer think of Covid-19 as a disease of the lungs but as one that can affect any part of the body, especially the heart. The only way to prevent more people dying of heart disease, both from damage caused by the virus as well as from deferred care of heart disease, is to control the pandemic.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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BTW: Dexamethasone can be purchased without a prescription as a common health supplement, it is widely available, cheap and easily manufactured. Consult your doctor before taking supplements of any kind, but the pre Trump FDA has determined this is far safer than cannabis...

Dexamethasone will not prevent or directly treat covid, there is limited evidence that it helps prevent secondary damage through inflammation under the care of a doctor in a hospital, as part of a comprehensive treatment protocol.
 

Fogdog

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Here is a repost of the article, it's normally behind a paywall so here is the whole thing


www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease
Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.
www.nytimes.com
www.nytimes.com

Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease
Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.


SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, was initially thought to primarily impact the lungs — SARS stands for “severe acute respiratory syndrome.” Now we know there is barely a part of the body this infection spares. And emerging data show that some of the virus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.

Eduardo Rodriguez was poised to start as the No. 1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox this season. But in July the 27-year-old tested positive for Covid-19. Feeling “100 years old,” he told reporters: “I’ve never been that sick in my life, and I don’t want to get that sick again.” His symptoms abated, but a few weeks later he felt so tired after throwing about 20 pitches during practice that his team told him to stop and rest.
Further investigation revealed that he had a condition many are still struggling to understand: Covid-19-associated myocarditis. Mr. Rodriguez won’t be playing baseball this season.

Myocarditis means inflammation of the heart muscle. Some patients are never bothered by it, but for others it can have serious implications. And Mr. Rodriguez isn’t the only athlete to suffer from it: Multiple college football players have possibly developed myocarditis from Covid-19, putting the entire college football landscape in jeopardy.

I recently treated one Covid-19 patient in his early 50s. He had been in perfect shape with no history of serious illness. When the fevers and body aches started, he locked himself in his room. But instead of getting better, his condition deteriorated and he eventually accumulated gallons of fluid in his legs. When he came to the hospital unable to catch a breath, it wasn’t his lungs that had pushed him to the brink — it was his heart. Now we are evaluating him to see if he needs a heart transplant.

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.


Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.
Researchers are still figuring out how SARS-CoV-2 causes myocarditis — whether it’s through the virus directly injuring the heart or whether it’s from the virulent immune reaction that it stimulates. It’s possible that part of the success of immunosuppressant medications such as the steroid dexamethasone in treating sick Covid-19 patients comes from their preventing inflammatory damage to the heart. Such steroids are commonly used to treat cases of myocarditis. Despite treatment, more severe forms of Covid-19-associated myocarditis can lead to permanent damage of the heart — which, in turn, can lead to heart failure.

But myocarditis is not the only way Covid-19 can cause more people to die of heart disease. When I analyzed data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, I found that since February nearly 25,000 more Americans have died of heart disease compared with the same period in previous years. Some of these deaths could be put down to Covid-19, but the majority are likely to be because patients deferred care for their hearts. That could lead to a wave of untreated heart disease in the wake of the pandemic.

Many patients are understandably apprehensive about coming back to the clinic or hospital. The American Heart Association has started a campaign called “Don’t Die of Doubt” to address the alarming reduction in people calling 911 or seeking medical care after a heart attack or stroke.
Since the beginning of the pandemic, it’s been clear that people with heart disease or related conditions such as diabetes or high blood pressure are at increased risk for severe Covid-19 illness. The C.D.C. recommends that the more than 30 million Americans living with heart disease practice extra precautions to avoid infection. Hospitals and clinics should work overtime both to ensure they are safe for patients and to bolster telemedicine services so that patients can be cared for without having to leave their homes.

Doctors and researchers should no longer think of Covid-19 as a disease of the lungs but as one that can affect any part of the body, especially the heart. The only way to prevent more people dying of heart disease, both from damage caused by the virus as well as from deferred care of heart disease, is to control the pandemic.
That's preliminary stuff most often only useful to get more grant money. From official publications, not preliminary studies it's bad, just not catastrophic. 8% of everybody who was hospitalized is a really awful thing to contemplate. It could be higher. This is why everybody should take this virus seriously.

I'm agreeing that there is more risk than first believed. I am simply saying we don't know and bothered by numbers like "80%" being bandied about so casually. I really don't believe that.

How is your recommendation on taking HCQ going?
 
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schuylaar

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BTW: Dexamethasone can be purchased without a prescription as a common health supplement, it is widely available, cheap and easily manufactured. Consult your doctor before taking supplements of any kind, but the pre Trump FDA has determined this is far safer than cannabis...

Dexamethasone will not prevent or directly treat covid, there is limited evidence that it helps prevent secondary damage through inflammation under the care of a doctor in a hospital, as part of a comprehensive treatment protocol.
but it might not be the right type or even soluble which is why people died from hydroxycloroquinone used to clean fish tanks.

hmmmm something safer than cannabis but isn't cannabis a Schedule 1 drug?
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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The governor Stitt of Oklahoma has been lying to the public and withholding Positive Covid 19 tests. The public school system in this little city just got News of the with held positives And yesterday at 4 pm the city Told the public they are going to virtual and shutting down the Public schools due to the huge increase of cases just added. Parents are scrambling and a lot of people did not show up to work.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That's preliminary stuff most often only useful to get more grant money. From official publications, not preliminary studies it's bad, just not catastrophic. 8% of everybody who was hospitalized is a really awful thing to contemplate. It could be higher. This is why everybody should take this virus seriously.

I'm agreeing that there is more risk than first believed. I am simply saying we don't know and bothered by numbers like "80%" being bandied about so casually. I really don't believe that.

How is your recommendation on taking HCQ going?
Just posting an article from a reliable source, obviously much more work is required to get a clearer picture of what is going on. Preliminary studies by reputable people are done to see if a proper studies are warranted, if it's in the NYTimes, it's fair game. This is what is going on in the medical and scientific world right now, nobody is claiming to have the answers, but as we know ignorance is widespread.

HCQ was one of many treatments doctors were using and scientists were studying, just as they are using convalescent plasma now without solid evidence of efficacy. Trump politicized HCQ, as he has done with masks, as he is doing with plasma, as he will do with vaccines and as he will also do with a national lockdown, trying to ruin Joe's and America's chances of success by poisoning the well.
 

schuylaar

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Does anyone seriously think that all those big US corporations on the exchanges are worth more today than pre-pandemic?
Come fucking on! Trillions of dollars pored into the economy by taxpayers with nowhere to go so up go the mostly irrelevant markets. That’s the crutch supporting this shit. Lots of open air under those stock values to fall through.
wait until the 1st with massive amounts of people who previously paid their rent with the $600 weekly..Sept 1st will be landlord squeeze screaming bloody murder they can't pay their mortgages..no one is hoarding money unlike wealthy and goes right back into the economy ie landlords pockets.

what is wrong with this Trumpy's face?..it looks like he's ingested some slow acting poison..and his orange makeup amplifies every mark, every line.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Everything Trump touches dies, is the title of a book by Rick Wilson, in this case America died, literally and figuratively! At least 167,000 Americans literally died and the DOJ and much of the federal government is figuratively dead, brain dead that is, and the heart is missing all together. But unlike humans, fortunately Uncle Sam can go through a brain and heart transplant operation every four years.
 

Fogdog

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The governor Stitt of Oklahoma has been lying to the public and withholding Positive Covid 19 tests. The public school system in this little city just got News of the with held positives And yesterday at 4 pm the city Told the public they are going to virtual and shutting down the Public schools due to the huge increase of cases just added. Parents are scrambling and a lot of people did not show up to work.
He also withheld a report from the Whitehouse Coronavirus Task Force that said Oklahoma should mandate mask wearing and bars should close. Also, as you say, Stitts has withheld reports on new cases and schools systems have been open in Oklahoma while their governor sat on information saying they should not.

Gov. Stitt’s office withheld White House COVID-19 report recommendations from public


The report said “Oklahoma is in the red zone for cases,” 15th in the country for most new cases and 11th in the country for highest positivity last week.
“What’s concerning is there’s a big discrepancy between what the national maps show and what the state health department cover map shows,” said Dr. Monks. “Our kids are going back to school right now and they’re relying on information, and nationally, Oklahoma is still shown as a red or at-risk state. It puts us all at risk if we’re not given this information, especially those in healthcare and education.”


To me, Stitts is abusing the power of his office for personal gain. I don't understand how people of Oklahoma can remain such steadfast supporters of Trump and his Republican Party through all of this.
 
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