Piers Morgan: Bible is flawed, time to amend a new one

Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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What if is different than "faith." I go what if all the time. Faith is believing the what if is a fact. That's dangerous.
 
fb360

fb360

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st0wandgrow said:
I can't completely disagree with you. I'm an Atheist, and as such I simply feel that there is no evidence to support the notion of a deity. Do I know my position to be fact? No I don't. I also don't believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, or Gremlins. Can I prove that they aren't real? Nope, unfortunately I can't. But, I can form an educated opinion on the subject using facts, science, and common sense.

I do however believe that the burden of proof lays squarely on the person making the claim. If someone can come up with one shred of proof about the talking snake, the virgin mother, and the subsequent zombie fairy she gave birth to, then I will revisit my opinion on this. Until then, it sounds like a lot of hocus pocus to me ...... but as you rightly pointed out, I could be wrong.
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Fair enough. As long as you realize that your educated opinion is no better in terms of correctness, in this instance, than their faith, then you have your head screwed on straight. For in their mind, it's safe to assume that they think their opinion is educated as well, else they would be stupid.

I'm not advocating any religion, but I'm 100% for individuals being able to choose their religion, as long as it doesn't result in them infringing upon another.

I just think it's comical that people who don't believe in a god, think people who do believe in a god are stupid, as well as vice versa, when in fact neither side can be proven correct or incorrect. Basically people need to grow up and make up their mind of what THEY want to believe, and let others do the same without ridicule.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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fb360 said:
Fair enough. As long as you realize that your educated opinion is no better in terms of correctness, in this instance, than their faith, then you have your head screwed on straight. For in their mind, it's safe to assume that they think their opinion is educated as well, else they would be stupid.

I'm not advocating any religion, but I'm 100% for individuals being able to choose their religion, as long as it doesn't result in them infringing upon another.

I just think it's comical that people who don't believe in a god, think people who do believe in a god are stupid, as well as vice versa, when in fact neither side can be proven correct or incorrect. Basically people need to grow up and make up their mind of what THEY want to believe, and let others do the same without ridicule.
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I'm pretty much with you on this. I have met plenty of people far more intelligent than I that believe in a god.

This is where I'm 100% with you: "I'm not advocating any religion, but I'm 100% for individuals being able to choose their religion, as long as it doesn't result in them infringing upon another."

I apply that to pretty much anything in life. Drugs, religion, marriage, etc. So long as it does no harm to others, I don't really care what other people do or believe.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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st0wandgrow said:
I'm pretty much with you on this. I have met plenty of people far more intelligent than I that believe in a god.

This is where I'm 100% with you: "I'm not advocating any religion, but I'm 100% for individuals being able to choose their religion, as long as it doesn't result in them infringing upon another."

I apply that to pretty much anything in life. Drugs, religion, marriage, etc. So long as it does no harm to others, I don't really care what other people do or believe.
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I hold a comparable view. i am irreligious but not antireligious. One ethic I share with most religious doctrines is to place a very high value on hospitality. cn
 
BadDog40

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st0wandgrow said:
I'm pretty much with you on this. I have met plenty of people far more intelligent than I that believe in a god.

This is where I'm 100% with you: "I'm not advocating any religion, but I'm 100% for individuals being able to choose their religion, as long as it doesn't result in them infringing upon another."

I apply that to pretty much anything in life. Drugs, religion, marriage, etc. So long as it does no harm to others, I don't really care what other people do or believe.
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I am anti religion but I believe in a creator or a source of energy we originated from and are connected to. I don't like to use the term god because it implies an entity that sits in judgement and according to the bible is vengeful. I would never worship a being that creates and if what he creates doesnt fall in line they are sent to eternal suffering, dumbest bullshit I ever heard and its shocking people believe that crap. The bible was made to scare the fuck out of people to fall in line, when they discovered children couldnt comprehend the meaning of the cryptic scriptures they invented Santa.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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john.roberts85 said:
Typically not. I can't believe those that adhere to laws purported to be from the sole deity would ever equate their beliefs with Humanism.
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The question was asked of the anti-religionists. The question is: Do humanists equate their beliefs with a religion?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Red1966 said:
No, secular humanists substitute man for a god.
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Then you have no clue what secular humanism is about. Life is about competition. But what fun is an easy win? It would be like the Detroit Tigers going against the little league champions. Possibly the Tigers would be the champions.

That's what being a secular humanist is all about. We fight for the weakest against those who would abuse them.

It has nothing to do with god. God is just a crutch for fools who are too scared to accept nothing at all may happen when you die.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Canna Sylvan said:
Then you have no clue what secular humanism is about. Life is about competition. But what fun is an easy win? It would be like the Detroit Tigers going against the little league champions. Possibly the Tigers would be the champions.

That's what being a secular humanist is all about. We fight for the weakest against those who would abuse them.

It has nothing to do with god. God is just a crutch for fools who are too scared to accept nothing at all may happen when you die.
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You can be a secular humanist and a social Darwinist. The latter definitely do not fight for the weakest. Over them maybe, but not for. cn
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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cannabineer said:
You can be a secular humanist and a social Darwinist. The latter definitely do not fight for the weakest. Over them maybe, but not for. cn
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Secular humanism and social Darwinism are mutually exclusive. Social Darwinism puts us on the same play field as the lower animals, secular humanism says we're different and have a moral obligation to do no harm if we're able, not sit around and do nothing.
 
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