Politics of hate, Murder and Thievery

smok3y1

Active Member
My point was: what the Jews do now to defend their home land (it is now, whether you agree with Israel's creation or not) is NOT the same as Hitler's Nazi genocide.

There were wrongs committed, but certainly not the lies ralf keeps spouting off.

Btw, it wasn't just the Germans. A lot of groups of people assisted and encouraged the attempted extermination of the Jewish peoples. The reason Israel was chosen is partly because all those groups were involved. Politics is a messy business.

I mentioned this before, but I'll state it again: the original Zionist movement (which started before the Nazi regime gained power) intended to settle in Uganda. But because of politics this was resisted, and after the holocaust (during which there were lots of other conflicts, politics, and wars) Israel was chosen.

I'm sure if the Zionists were allowed to get their way early on, the antisemites would not care about the Palestinians the way they seem to now. No matter what the Jews do, they will get criticized by racists who would have preferred they were wiped out during the holocaust.

Shame on those darn Jews for surviving, right?
Am not saying they should be wiped out but they also shouldn't wipe Palestine off the map either.
Are you implying that am racist or something because am not at all. Am Anti-Zionist. How could I be anti-Semite when am supporting Palestinians, Arabs are semitic as well.
Besides I think its dumb to judge people based on race, religion, nationality, etc because you will always get good and bad people.
 

dukeanthony

New Member
First of all, after thousands of years of persecution, Jews have scattered and now come from around the world, not just Europe.

Second, you admit, relocating people currently living in a land is wrong. So why do you insist this should be done to the Jews born is Israel today?



Do you?

You have commented on 50+ threads using any of these four "jewy" words:
zionist<-------That one
jew
jewish
israel

?
Which one of them is derogatory Or Have I used as Derogatory?
 

lokie

Well-Known Member
all religion is just mind control of the masses. If you dont believe what i do i dont care. if you want to understand my view ill try to understand yours.

IF your religion teaches to you to force me to believe your way then it is flawed from the beginning.
 

vh13

Well-Known Member
Which one of them is derogatory Or Have I used as Derogatory?
They are not, except when you use the term Zionist. Then it's clearly a derogatory term.

This is what you claimed:

I do my part to fight racism every day of my Life.
Yet in a cursory look at your activity on this board, it seems your main interest in fighting racism is to perpetuate antisemitic propaganda.
 

vh13

Well-Known Member
Am not saying they should be wiped out but they also shouldn't wipe Palestine off the map either.
Are you implying that am racist or something because am not at all. Am Anti-Zionist. How could I be anti-Semite when am supporting Palestinians, Arabs are semitic as well.
Besides I think its dumb to judge people based on race, religion, nationality, etc because you will always get good and bad people.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I did not mean to wrongfully accuse you of being antisemitic.

You should be aware that if you recognize Israel's right to exist (even if you disagree with her policies) then you are a Zionist.

The term anti-Zionist refers to an individual who does not accept the right of Israel to exist.

If you claim to be anti-Zionist then you label yourself as guilty of singling out Jews.
 

vh13

Well-Known Member
all religion is just mind control of the masses. If you dont believe what i do i dont care. if you want to understand my view ill try to understand yours.

IF your religion teaches to you to force me to believe your way then it is flawed from the beginning.
I agree. All people should be free to exercise their own religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) as long as those beliefs and practices don't impose on others.
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
i love how bigots, are clueless, clinging on to ideas built around fallacies to fuel their ignorance

every person in this thread with a bleeding heart for Palistine had better be sending in doantions and actually showing sacrifice as they have to support there cause , i can say with fairly good certainty that none of

you anti zionist(state of isreal) jew haters, have sacrifices anything other than brain cells to the palestinian cause and plenty of effort shit talking jews and isreal

it has nothing to do with palestine and everything to do with isreal that makes you biased and by reinforcing biased opinion i must assume your defending a racist rhetoric sub consciously
 

allSmilez

Active Member
i love how bigots, are clueless, clinging on to ideas built around fallacies to fuel their ignorance

every person in this thread with a bleeding heart for Palistine had better be sending in doantions and actually showing sacrifice as they have to support there cause , i can say with fairly good certainty that none of

you anti zionist(state of isreal) jew haters, have sacrifices anything other than brain cells to the palestinian cause and plenty of effort shit talking jews and isreal

it has nothing to do with palestine and everything to do with isreal that makes you biased and by reinforcing biased opinion i must assume your defending a racist rhetoric sub consciously
SS


Let us not forget, THE JEWS WERE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL 2000 YEARS BEFORE THE 'PALESTINIANS. The Palestinians are EX-EGYPTIANS........the only country to recognize Palestinians as LEGAL CITIZENS ARE THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL. JORDAN REJECTED THE PALESTINIANS AS WELL AS OTHER ISLAMIC STATES. YET ISRAEL IS SEEN AS THE "INFIDEL"

DO YOUR HISTORY YOU FUCKS.
 

allSmilez

Active Member
Damnwell Seedwell, I though you had some fucking sense. Turns out you're a GODDAMN IDIOT. DON'T COMMENT UNLESS YOU GOT SOME FUCKING KNOWLEDGE YOU GODDAMN IDIOT.
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
Oh yeah, you proved me wrong there... what a compelling argument... just because eh?
You're blind as fuck.




You're the one in denial, buddy. You deny the right of Israel to exist. Do you think it's 1966 right now?
What right do the Jews have to think they are entitled to somebody else's land? The Palistinians were there first and the Zionists have moved in and commited genocide.

Let me ask you something, do you deny the right of Pakistan to exist? Do you deny the right of the US, or Chinese governments to exist? Why single out the Jews?

None of you have answered that question, I"m sure because it proves your guilt as racists.
Because the Zionists (Not Jews) are forcing people out of THEIR land and confining them into ghettos and murdering them. That's why. Get it through your head.

I've read many of you complain about "the Jewish problem" in other threads over and again. Why do none of you go out and fight the good fight for Tibet? or the Kurds? or the Sudanese?

Almost every nation on Earth was born in bloodshed, why then do you single out Israel and say only it should not exist?
You are under the assumption that I support these other nations. If I order a Mcchicken from Mcdonalds, am I forced to voice my preferance to the mcdouble in order to have an opinion on it? We are talking about Israel and Zionism here. We can argue how the Pakistanis funded 9/11 and the Indians and Pakistanis have been at war for a century in another thread. Go ahead, start it. I'll be there.



More lies. I never condoned the actions of Israel, I only recognize its right to exist. Criticize her actions all you want, but to deny her right to exist is abhorrent.

But be fair in your criticism. If you were to compare Israel's actions to those of the American's towards the Japanese during WWII, that would be a fairer comparison, though in truth Israel is more aggressive, but then again the Japanese Americans didn't suicide bomb the Americans.
Apparently, the word kamikaze has never entered your vocabulary.

Sure, the nuclear bomb dropping on civilians is absolutely wrong. It's not systemic genocide, though. Keep stretching.

Comparing Jews to Hitler is fallacious, and if you can't acknowledge that, then clearly you are a racist.
I never compared Jews to Hitler. I compared Zionists to Nazi's, however.



I agree with this statement. Maybe if you weren't such an antisemite you'd have learned that about me, instead of assuming incorrectly about my opinions.

I understand why you wrongfully assumed such about me, you suspected I'm a Jew, and your racist views corrupted your thinking.

I'm not a Jew, I'm an anti-Catholic, and I think the Vatican shouldn't exist. I disagree with how the Catholic church was created, and because it has committed wrongs, I think it should be torn apart and it's peoples persecuted.
Get out of your ignorant box. The only problem I have with Jews as whole is the same I have with any other religion, because I'm Atheist. The only view I have on Zionism is the entitlement to another parties land and the genocide they are committing. Stop hiding behind your "only way someone can disagree with Zionism is if they are antisemitic" fallacy.

I'm done.
 

vh13

Well-Known Member
You're blind as fuck.

What right do the Jews have to think they are entitled to somebody else's land? The Palistinians were there first and the Zionists have moved in...
You don't know your history, at least do a little quick reading so you can stop embarrassing yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

... and commited genocide.
I would appreciate it if you define the term genocide, just so I know what you're talking about. And for objectivity sake, please no references to Jews or Palestinians.

Because the Zionists (Not Jews)
Are you trying to claim some personal definition of the word Zionist...

are forcing people out of THEIR land and confining them into ghettos and murdering them. That's why. Get it through your head.
... so you can make the idea of Israel's sovereignty seem like something the Jews don't deserve to have?

Because it seems to me that you're just making more broad sweeping generalizations about Jews while conveniently hiding behind syntax.

You are under the assumption that I support these other nations. If I order a Mcchicken from Mcdonalds, am I forced to voice my preferance to the mcdouble in order to have an opinion on it? We are talking about Israel and Zionism here. We can argue how the Pakistanis funded 9/11 and the Indians and Pakistanis have been at war for a century in another thread. Go ahead, start it. I'll be there.

...

Apparently, the word kamikaze has never entered your vocabulary.

Sure, the nuclear bomb dropping on civilians is absolutely wrong. It's not systemic genocide, though. Keep stretching.

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I never compared Jews to Hitler. I compared Zionists to Nazi's, however.

Get out of your ignorant box. The only problem I have with Jews as whole is the same I have with any other religion, because I'm Atheist. The only view I have on Zionism is the entitlement to another parties land and the genocide they are committing. Stop hiding behind your "only way someone can disagree with Zionism is if they are antisemitic" fallacy.
Push and pull on the definition of words all you want, I know what you are.

Your broad sweeping generalizations about the diverse Jewish population (there are a great many Atheist Jews) proves your ignorance.

No matter how much you deny the complex interplay between all the parties involved, the truth is: this war Israel is waging is not a sweeping campaign across the desert to wipe out Palestinians. It is a desperate struggle for survival against oppononents who publicly state they will (and currently do) sacrifice their own people in an attempt to complete what Hitler and his Nazis more then half-finished.

Yes, it is difficult to be a Zionist and see Israel commit atrocities and acts of hatred, yet it is absolutely wrong to deny: the real attempted genocide taking place is by that of Israel's neighbors, who have sworn to eradicate all Jews from the face of the Earth at all costs, even if that means sacrificing 50 of their own people to kill only one Jew. You place a higher value on the lives of Israel's enemies then Israel's enemies place on themselves.

Furthermore, nearly every nation on Earth was born in bloodshed, and yet for some reason you object to the creation of a Jewish state. Do you think every nation on Earth should be disbanded? If not, then why do you hold a double standard against the Jews?
 

smok3y1

Active Member
SS


Let us not forget, THE JEWS WERE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL 2000 YEARS BEFORE THE 'PALESTINIANS. The Palestinians are EX-EGYPTIANS........the only country to recognize Palestinians as LEGAL CITIZENS ARE THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL. JORDAN REJECTED THE PALESTINIANS AS WELL AS OTHER ISLAMIC STATES. YET ISRAEL IS SEEN AS THE "INFIDEL"

DO YOUR HISTORY YOU FUCKS.
It makes no difference if they lived their 2000 years ago the Palestinians have been living there for generations upon generations they shouldn't be kicked out of their homes because of a CLAIM that some foreign people used to live there 2000 years ago. And what you talking about Israel constantly speaks about the 2 state solutions however they and the American government are the ones that are ALWAYS blocking the second state Palestine. Also Israel is looked at as an "Infidel" state by the Muslims because they are a lunatic country.

In the 2008 December massacre about 1,400 Palestinians were killed and about 13 Israelis were killed. Of the 1,400 Palestinian casualties, about four-fifths were civilians and 350 children. 13 Israelis died 10 of which were soldiers and three civilians.... After the massacre ended Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni went on Channel 10 News in Israel and said 'Israel demonstrated real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation, which I demanded'. Also in the 'Goldstone report' it found that Israel had “deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population". What kind of civilized country/person could humiliate and terrorize a civilian population
 
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