Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

NOWitall · Oct 18, 2009

all things can be logically reasoned.

given enough input points.

for instance it is no more or less logical to believe in god as to not.
to my knowledge there has been no PROOF one way or the other.
so to believe god doesn't exist holds the same degree of logic as believing he does.

i mean i cant say "i have no proof as to the existence of Cuba, as such it cannot possibly exist."
nor can i say "i read about this place called Narnia in a book, so it must exist."

to argue about the existence of god holds less logic than either belief, because thats all it is belief.
you cant argue a belief. you can present a belief, but the moment you try and justify your belief you lose ground.

atheists, have no religion, and have gone to great extent to turn not having a religion, into its own religion.
while the religious have turned having religion into the equivalent of not having one. (evangelists, dirty priests, creepy religions trading daughters, christians advocating war)

how bout we get to some actual philosofical debate?????

stop callin each other names, stop eggin each other on.
and lets get back to the serious matter of arguing an unwinable argument.

its like my grandaddy used to say, "if you cant say something nice, get the fuck out of my shop."

Brazko · Oct 18, 2009

Logically, Cuba exist, because I understand the concept Cuba is put IN,

Logically, Narnia exist, because I understand the concept Narnia is Put in,

Words are used to describe the existence of an Meaning, that is understood..,

Logically, 1 cannot believe in Cuba, if they have never Seen Cuba on a Map, a Cuban Person, but if I describe Cuba to that person, They will understand the Logic of What Cuba is.. Then they know where to search for Cuba...

Logically, 1 cannot believe in Narnia, if they have never been to Narnia, took a Walk in the forest with Aslan, but if I describe Narnia, and Show them the Library where to REad about Narnia, then they will know of Narnaia..

God describes, a meaning, You can call it Thor, Abramhamic, Zeus, Whatever of your choosen, If I listen to Your meaning and grasp and understanding, I will know the Existence of the meaning when I come across that God, Thor, Zeues, from what you have given context of it's meaning...

SAying, god doesn't exist because it was never so is saying the same as every word I just type isn't so, because it never was.... Words come into existence to describe Meaning..making communication easier..

If not we can go back to Uh Uh, Ump, ooh, ohh, ooo, and jestering with our hands if Words have become to much Trouble for expressing Thought....

Brazko · Oct 18, 2009

and not to think I'm going at you, I understand where you are coming from, but that's the problem as you have stated..

Everything started out as individuals, Who attacked each other.. as time progress, those individuals form Groups, and attack other Groups.., AS time goes those Groups will merge into one Group, The Human Race..., but to start blaming one group for this, or one group for that is nonsense,

It goes back to the Individual...A Group is NOt a Group, and A Race is NOt A RAce, Without the combined Individuals..

morgentaler · Oct 19, 2009

NOWitall said:
i mean i cant say "i have no proof as to the existence of Cuba, as such it cannot possibly exist."
nor can i say "i read about this place called Narnia in a book, so it must exist."

But you can actually go and look for Cuba, find it, enjoy some of its cigars and sandy beaches, and establish with certainty that it exists.

As for Narnia, you could check to see if the book it appeared in was written as a work of fiction, who the author was and what the intent of his writing was, if there is any precedent for the existence of wardrobes that transport people to other worlds, if there is any evidence for the existence of beavers, fauns, and various other non-human creatures that speak plain English, etc. etc. and arrive at the conclusion that the improbability of such a place existing is so high that it certainly does not exist.

PadawanBater · Oct 19, 2009

Brazko said:
Yes, and it was a Serious Reply, I have never Acknowledged or, Dismissed Science for any suited purpose..., You cannot bring forth one statement I have made that Contradicts what I have just said.. If you can, I would Give over to you my life, Everything, HOuse , Car, Job, Wife (you can have her ) whatever of your choosen if you can show me 1 statement where I have dismissed Science or implied it contradictive or favorably to anything towards my belief when I decided to of My chooosen, because honestly, I know of No contradictions, and if I did, I would acknowledge it, Go ahead and Justify it to me, by showing where I have stated such contradictive Verbage, regarding Science...

If it contradicts something I believe, then I must accept the evidence put forth..just as I have accepted the Evidence that has given me my Belief..

I felt you were one of the Solid Logical Thinking Atheists as Well, but stating some idiotic Bullshit and say justify it, when you haven't been Just in your narrow minded observation...

NOw, to be Just in my Observation, You attack People, Not religion, because you hate People that do not think as you do.. They have done you no Wrong, and you cannot presume what they Know of God and How they interpet God to be or the Religion that follows, because you lack the ability and only see God/religion in 1 perspective, Yours.. So instead of attacking the Construct of the defilment of Religion, Politics, and whatever other organized movement, that wishes to degrade the Worth of the Human RAce, It simply comes down to the Individual entities, you attack what you fail to comprehend because you are only observant of a Minute part of civilization that tries to Control and manipulate People, and consumed by something you find absurdely disturbing to human Nature... Guess What address the Person, So instead of Attacking 9.5million people, you have 9.49million people left to go at, plus 1 helping you, you're making progress, and then if you really want to change the world for the Better, take the limitations off of A Group that you fail to identify with, and focus it on the common shit that everybody falls short on.. Greed, Selfishness, Power, or whatever you deem ill of mankind, It's a much, much, bigger selection of those people across the world instead of focusing it on a particular Group because they did evil... Every fucking person in this world has done some wrong, it's not a Organization doing it, It's People, The Person... Address the person..., Instead you say, not literally speaking but to get my point across, (you're fucking stupid and a disgrace to the human race because I read in history and saw a documentary, a group of people doing bad shit) That is the same as Blaming every White Man for Slavery, That is the Same as blaming every German for the Holocaust, you can't put everybody in a category of Evil doing People because you choose only to select what a Group of Indivduals or Individual have done that happens to be black, White, German, Christian, Muslim, or what the fuck ever..

Man, you really disappoint me talking some ignorant shit like that, "you being Serious" "I only justify it to My CAuse or Belief when I want too"..... I thought you were atleast better than That.. but I'm not going to be harsh on you anymore, It's something you have to gain some greater maturity about.... and I apologize now, but that was really short of any thought and disappointing to hear coming from you.... and even if you don't find anything, which I know you are Not, I'm still shipping Her to you.. PM me the Address..

Well Braz, to tell you the truth, I actually had you a step above Babs and the rest of the fundies. I've never really read you resort to personal attacks before this post, which was without question totally uncalled for, as I'll explain later.

First off, I chose my words carefully, this is what I said;

PadawanBater said:
You seem to acknowledge it when it's suits you, but dismiss it when it contradicts things you believe to be true. How do you justify that?

SEEM TO, meaning I was making an observation, not a statement or an accusation.

Moving on...

Brazko said:
Yeah, I'm a Thoughtless Creature, I prefer to Wait on Science to make a Statement on my behalf...

Brazko said:
Yep, Perfect Sense...but come on Babs, you're just looking at it with a value derived from a Surface only Skeptical View and Opinion, It goes much, much, much, deeper than That.. Science just has to explain it for you, be patient and wait For science to Explain how Nothing happened...

These are the quotes that I thought you were mocking science. Babs rails on it hard enough, then you come along and throw your two cents in in the form of comments like these? What is one supposed to think? That first one, clearly a sarcastic tone, asserting that there is more to this world than science can account for, showing no facts, no proof, no evidence or even an explination, then further concluding that because your preconceived assertion is true, which it's not, atheists are close minded because they choose to side with logic and reason instead of faith and dogma... The second one, exactly the same thing, asserting that the big bang theory is invalid because you simply don't understand it. It's a little more complicated than "nothing happened to nothing"... You also seem to be implying that because accurate, trustable science sometimes takes many years to complete, it's invalid or innacurate... Sorry man, science doesn't work that way.

The rest of your post is total disrespect. You don't know anything about me personally. I come on here and make logical argument after logical argument and all you guys do is come back with "my bible said this" or "if you didn't believe it you wouldn't fight so hard against it"... You guys just don't get it. Let me make it as clear as possible. Organized religion is dangerous. Notice I didn't say "all religion" is dangerous, because that is not what I believe. I believe if you find some kind of enlightenment through whatever religion you follow, that's great, that's fantastic, we should all be so fortunate. You guys make this accusation left and right when I'm sitting here telling you you cannot know my own personal beliefs better than I can, you are wrong, if you don't want to admit that, then fine, you're only lying to yourself about something you're not willing to accept, that is, not every atheist is an immoral, liberal, brainwashed, selfish, greedy person. It's the organized ones that turn my stomach. The ones who lobby governments, the ones who push ID into science classrooms. You guys say "who cares, let them do it, they're not hurting anyone.." That's not true. Every moment these people force their garbage down anyones throat unwillingly, they should be stopped. There has been enough passive atheist activism, if you could even call it that, I'd call it more like atheists simply trying to live their lives without having to put up with TOO MUCH bitching from the nutjobs. Once we speak up about their bullshit with a loud enough voice, they come back with "discrimination!". I wonder if that's what the white slave owners told the black slaves when they used to revolt back in the day...

Your free ride is over. Enough is enough. You live in America, where good ideas prosper and bad ideas fall victim to the history books. The day will come when all of this shit we're all tortured by on a daily basis becomes nothing more than legends and fairy tales in the non fiction section of the library right next to the Illiad, probably not in my lifetime, but it will come, because even though humanity has all it's faults, I still think there are enough smart people to overcome the shit that is holding us back from achieving greatness.

Babs34 · Oct 19, 2009

PadawanBater said:
Well Braz, to tell you the truth, I actually had you a step above Babs and the rest of the fundies. I've never really read you resort to personal attacks before this post, which was without question totally uncalled for, as I'll explain later.

First off, I chose my words carefully, this is what I said;

SEEM TO, meaning I was making an observation, not a statement or an accusation.

Moving on...

These are the quotes that I thought you were mocking science. Babs rails on it hard enough, then you come along and throw your two cents in in the form of comments like these? What is one supposed to think? That first one, clearly a sarcastic tone, asserting that there is more to this world than science can account for, showing no facts, no proof, no evidence or even an explination, then further concluding that because your preconceived assertion is true, which it's not, atheists are close minded because they choose to side with logic and reason instead of faith and dogma... The second one, exactly the same thing, asserting that the big bang theory is invalid because you simply don't understand it. It's a little more complicated than "nothing happened to nothing"... You also seem to be implying that because accurate, trustable science sometimes takes many years to complete, it's invalid or innacurate... Sorry man, science doesn't work that way.

The rest of your post is total disrespect. You don't know anything about me personally. I come on here and make logical argument after logical argument and all you guys do is come back with "my bible said this" or "if you didn't believe it you wouldn't fight so hard against it"... You guys just don't get it. Let me make it as clear as possible. Organized religion is dangerous. Notice I didn't say "all religion" is dangerous, because that is not what I believe. I believe if you find some kind of enlightenment through whatever religion you follow, that's great, that's fantastic, we should all be so fortunate. You guys make this accusation left and right when I'm sitting here telling you you cannot know my own personal beliefs better than I can, you are wrong, if you don't want to admit that, then fine, you're only lying to yourself about something you're not willing to accept, that is, not every atheist is an immoral, liberal, brainwashed, selfish, greedy person. It's the organized ones that turn my stomach. The ones who lobby governments, the ones who push ID into science classrooms. You guys say "who cares, let them do it, they're not hurting anyone.." That's not true. Every moment these people force their garbage down anyones throat unwillingly, they should be stopped. There has been enough passive atheist activism, if you could even call it that, I'd call it more like atheists simply trying to live their lives without having to put up with TOO MUCH bitching from the nutjobs. Once we speak up about their bullshit with a loud enough voice, they come back with "discrimination!". I wonder if that's what the white slave owners told the black slaves when they used to revolt back in the day...

Your free ride is over. Enough is enough. You live in America, where good ideas prosper and bad ideas fall victim to the history books. The day will come when all of this shit we're all tortured by on a daily basis becomes nothing more than legends and fairy tales in the non fiction section of the library right next to the Illiad, probably not in my lifetime, but it will come, because even though humanity has all it's faults, I still think there are enough smart people to overcome the shit that is holding us back from achieving greatness.

Well Braz, to tell you the truth, I actually had you a step above Babs and the rest of the fundies.
And you accuse me of being on a pedestal? LOL
Pretty nifty how you "rightly" are permitted to make a call on the future like that. America will just smack those believers down and dispell those myths. Tortured by! LOL, you made a funny.
But hey, God FORBID people believe in the GOODNESS of God, in the HOPE of a coming from the One who loves us and manages to fill in the blanks....that's just TORTURE, lol....get a life.
You, as an atheist, have come accross time and time again as an EXTREMIST. What will you call your movement? And what will the color of the robes be? Really.....I'm on the lookout. People like YOU scare me. There has been enough passive atheist activismYou're worried about my mental condition? Oh do get over yourself.
The rest of your post is total disrespect. You don't know anything about me personally. I come on here and make logical argument after logical argument and all you guys do is come back with "my bible said this" or "if you didn't believe it you wouldn't fight so hard against it"...
That's ALL you do is disrespect every LAST thing a "scary disbeliever" puts forth about their beliefs. I've never seen any person yet come across as aggressive as you. Just because you say you are being logical JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
For the record, I have NOT come back with "my Bible says this and that".....you just don't listen!!!
"if you didn't believe it you wouldn't fight so hard against it"... <---take advice from your own words there.
Babs rails on it hard enough, then you come along and throw your two cents in in the form of comments like these? What is one supposed to think?
You are OFFENDED because SOME people choose to put their FAITH in God, ABOVE science? Oh well...whine on. After all, it's your "right".....then further concluding that because your preconceived assertion is true, which it's not, atheists are close minded because they choose to side with logic and reason instead of faith and dogma... The second one, exactly the same thing, asserting that the big bang theory is invalid because you simply don't understand it. It's a little more complicated than "nothing happened to nothing"... You also seem to be implying that because accurate, trustable science sometimes takes many years to complete, it's invalid or innacurate... Sorry man, science doesn't work that way.
That's right. Science doesn't work that way. You need to quit being concerned about selling believers on YOUR belief. It's A LOT more complicated than that. Your logic is just that......yours. You are MUCH more determined to disprove God than I or Braz have shown to disprove Science. Wake up.
You guys make this accusation left and right when I'm sitting here telling you you cannot know my own personal beliefs better than I can,
P, you are KING of dictating what it is that believers believe.......again, take your own advice. You are incapable of showing an ounce of respect to any who believe contrary to you. There's nothing UNREASONABLE about believing in GOOD. So what if "nutty Christians" believe Christ will come from the sky and bring peace/love to the world? What's the worse thing that could happen????...that it WON'T happpen. And being you are so logical, quit worrying about something that just isn't a THREAT.......as in, AT ALL to you.
No one is pushing religion in school OTHER THAN islam. In California one school, the Excelsior Elementary, took its teaching of Islam to seventh graders to extremes. School pupils were made to dress up in Islamic clothing, to memorize Koranic verses and even to fast during their lunch hour to mimic Muslim behavior during Ramadan.

» Storm Track Infiltration: Institutional Jihad – Islamic Indoctrination in American Classrooms - Blogger News Network Braz
Every moment these people force their garbage down anyones throat unwillingly, they should be stopped.
I say that and I get called a racist. You, in short, are a HYPOCRITE.
I still think there are enough smart people to overcome the shit that is holding us back from achieving greatness.
You forget. A LOT of those scientists ARE believers.....IMAGINE THAT.
Originally Posted by Brazko

Yep, Perfect Sense...but come on Babs, you're just looking at it with a value derived from a Surface only Skeptical View and Opinion, It goes much, much, much, deeper than That.. Science just has to explain it for you, be patient and wait For science to Explain how Nothing happened...
That statement from Braz was by far the most light-hearted with only a TOUCH of cynicism. I got it.......too bad you didn't. And a little FYI, it DOES go much deeper than what you are willing to even BEGIN to accept.

Babs34 · Oct 19, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Ever notice that the truly religious don't have an ounce of logic?

No, but LOOL, I DO notice that you are oh so repetitive.

Babs34 · Oct 19, 2009

.... and even if you don't find anything, which I know you are Not, I'm still shipping Her to you.. PM me the Address..
Any one care to "enlighten" me here?

Babs34 · Oct 19, 2009

And you see the kind of crap this guy NEEDLESSLY throws my way?
Hypocrite, that's all you are P.
Originally Posted by Babs34

LOL, Morgan never says which it is.
Are we eager or scared to die?

Quite the false dichotomy right there Babs... You know what that means, right?

Too bad it's not simply "eager or scared to die", there are infact other options...

Howbout "content with death"?

It's going to happen one day, whether you want it to or not. Nobody makes it out of life alive. So why fear it? What is to fear?

As Morgen put it, we were dead before and it wasn't so terrible.

Sure tells us evil atheists A LOT about your line of thinking though. Tells me you do infact fear death. Also tells me that's probably a HUGE reason for your dogmatic faith. You fear death and the thought of non existence so much, you're willing to accept anything that will brainwash you into believing there actually is some kind of afterlife as the truth.

Well, luckily, not all of us are that weak minded... the rest of us will just keep society advancing while the rest of the fanatics piggy back all of sciences successes and take them all for granted...

You know what prompted him to respond this way? Because I said WHO LOOKS FORWARD TO DEATH? That's it. That's all it takes for him to behave like that.

sunshine17542 · Oct 19, 2009

Life comes from life....

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

Pitiful.. NOthing you just said had any reminiscence of Truth...., So, this will be Short:

1.I didn't attack you, but said your observation was narrow minded, idiotic, & Ignorant; All True - FActs

2. Organized REligion or All Religion is Not bad; People who manipulate and Abuse are Bad; the only category they fall in is the HUMAN RACE

3. You only started observing my words and Statements over the Last 24hrs.. and thats How you were able to Come to that Concluded Observation; PITIFUL

4. Big Bang Theory Invalid because I, don't understand it... :roll:

, Yeah..Right...(alert, alert, alert sArCaSM)

5. Implying that I mean science is inAccurate because we Humans, Take to Long in developing Methods and Tools, that our Mind Conceive from thoughtfully processing the information, is me saying Just that.. Science is Accurate, Our mind designed every tool of Science..and will continue until infinity, the roles will never reverse.... But yeah some people are without the ability to think pass the Needed mechanical Tool..., It's not an Opinion, It's documented Fact/History/SCIENCE... Our Mind processes all and any information that is Present in this Universe before, any tool is brought forth to physically observe/confirm it... the Tool that our Mind conceives to design to allow it possible to do so.. The mind is/Was Present in the first Single Cell Organism.. Life

and I'm going to try and wrap this up quickly, I'm not wasting too much more energy with discussing this with you, because this may be a personal attack now on your mental status.. you Are Deranged ... Just an opinionated observation... but I'll continue on with a few more points..

6.Everybody on here Knows your Personal beliefs.. :roll:

, It's not a Secret, but only to yourself.. So, I had to let you in on it... You're the only one who didn't Know it..

7. Show me where I have used the Bible as an Point of Justifying an Arguement.. :lol:

, I may have had to Explain some Scriptures that some people FAIL to comprehend, But I never use it as A tool to win an Arguement, Matter of Fact, I always provide Scientific Information when I discuss the foundations of my Belief.., That's the only thing you people Trust.., and still, YOu all lack the ability to Understand and Comprehend it, Always clouding it with your Atheistic Beliefs.. Science Doesn't Work That Way..

and this is pointless, like I said, I know now, not to waste anymore energy on you.. You are not Competent and there is nothing I can Do to correct that.. Nature must take it's course, and Your Mind must Evolve..., That's My belief.., Say what you Want.., Your words no longer have any meaning to Me, you are of Unstable Mind, Body, & Spirit...

Carry on with Your Life, I won't comment on your Posts, Don't comment On mine.. Isn't that the Freedom you ask for, Well, You are Free from me Pushing anything on you...

Hit the Ignore Button, that's the Escape Clause from REality

PadawanBater said:
Well Braz, to tell you the truth, I actually had you a step above Babs and the rest of the fundies. I've never really read you resort to personal attacks before this post, which was without question totally uncalled for, as I'll explain later.

First off, I chose my words carefully, this is what I said;

SEEM TO, meaning I was making an observation, not a statement or an accusation.

Moving on...

These are the quotes that I thought you were mocking science. Babs rails on it hard enough, then you come along and throw your two cents in in the form of comments like these? What is one supposed to think? That first one, clearly a sarcastic tone, asserting that there is more to this world than science can account for, showing no facts, no proof, no evidence or even an explination, then further concluding that because your preconceived assertion is true, which it's not, atheists are close minded because they choose to side with logic and reason instead of faith and dogma... The second one, exactly the same thing, asserting that the big bang theory is invalid because you simply don't understand it. It's a little more complicated than "nothing happened to nothing"... You also seem to be implying that because accurate, trustable science sometimes takes many years to complete, it's invalid or innacurate... Sorry man, science doesn't work that way.

The rest of your post is total disrespect. You don't know anything about me personally. I come on here and make logical argument after logical argument and all you guys do is come back with "my bible said this" or "if you didn't believe it you wouldn't fight so hard against it"... You guys just don't get it. Let me make it as clear as possible. Organized religion is dangerous. Notice I didn't say "all religion" is dangerous, because that is not what I believe. I believe if you find some kind of enlightenment through whatever religion you follow, that's great, that's fantastic, we should all be so fortunate. You guys make this accusation left and right when I'm sitting here telling you you cannot know my own personal beliefs better than I can, you are wrong, if you don't want to admit that, then fine, you're only lying to yourself about something you're not willing to accept, that is, not every atheist is an immoral, liberal, brainwashed, selfish, greedy person. It's the organized ones that turn my stomach. The ones who lobby governments, the ones who push ID into science classrooms. You guys say "who cares, let them do it, they're not hurting anyone.." That's not true. Every moment these people force their garbage down anyones throat unwillingly, they should be stopped. There has been enough passive atheist activism, if you could even call it that, I'd call it more like atheists simply trying to live their lives without having to put up with TOO MUCH bitching from the nutjobs. Once we speak up about their bullshit with a loud enough voice, they come back with "discrimination!". I wonder if that's what the white slave owners told the black slaves when they used to revolt back in the day...

Your free ride is over. Enough is enough. You live in America, where good ideas prosper and bad ideas fall victim to the history books. The day will come when all of this shit we're all tortured by on a daily basis becomes nothing more than legends and fairy tales in the non fiction section of the library right next to the Illiad, probably not in my lifetime, but it will come, because even though humanity has all it's faults, I still think there are enough smart people to overcome the shit that is holding us back from achieving greatness.

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

"Be Enlightened"

Babs34 said:
.... and even if you don't find anything, which I know you are Not, I'm still shipping Her to you.. PM me the Address..
Any one care to "enlighten" me here?

Brazko said:
Yes, and it was a Serious Reply, I have never Acknowledged or, Dismissed Science for any suited purpose..., You cannot bring forth one statement I have made that Contradicts what I have just said.. If you can, I would Give over to you my life, Everything, HOuse , Car, Job, Wife (you can have her ) whatever of your choosen if you can show me 1 statement where I have dismissed Science or implied it contradictive or favorably to anything towards my belief when I decided to of My chooosen, because honestly, I know of No contradictions, and if I did, I would acknowledge it, Go ahead and Justify it to me, by showing where I have stated such contradictive Verbage, regarding Science...

NOWitall · Oct 19, 2009

reality is transitory.

just being in a book doesnt make you exist no mater what format the book is in.

being a work of fiction doesnt mean that you dont exist. it just means you get to encourage faith.

the differance between fiction and non fiction, is a %. once group a-g says its reality, it becomes reality.

like Scientology, theres folks saying thats real, even though it was written by a writer of fiction as fiction, now to many people that is reality.

144,000. ok if thats all that gets in. why dont you stop recruiting at 144,000. and how does it work, is it a first come first serve sorta thing, some kinda lottery, draw straws??
cuz all the new people are statistically ruining my odds.

some people prefer to beleive their profit read their holy tome from a magic hat. cuz if i was god thats how id communicate with humans, some sketchy dude reading from a hat nobody else is alowed to look into. but now its reality for alot of people.

if you wonder the planet im sure youll meet folks that believe in narnia, sure psychosis doesnt make it real real, but it makes it real enough for them.

and what is proof. what could god possibly do to prove his existence (and if anybody comes back with "well he made the universe didnt he" kiss my ass and go read a fuckin book, as you have no idea how to think)

the religious dont wanna believe shit just happens
and the non-religious dont wanna believe they arent in control

and it seems those that scream the loudest really only want to convince themselves

but back to the proof thing. stop quoting the bible, god didnt write that. in fact according to the MAN-written bible the only thing god wrote were some commandments. that most his followers ignore. there is no proof god exists, just like theres no proof he doesnt. there never can be. even if it was scientificly proven that the universe created itself, theres no way of saying the dominoes weren't set up by god, no matter who started the bricks falling.

thats the great thing about god, it allows for faith, even requires it.
wheras science only allows for facts theories, and requires nothing but an ability to stare at complex quantum equations while some guy goes "see, now does it make sense"

but some of yall have me wrong. while i did mean we should stop arguing, and get back to issues worthy of contemplation. i meant it less globaly than localy.
I.E. YOU TWO.

your arguing with each other like a couple of well read 8 year old girls.
and its fun to read dont get me wrong, ok actually it isnt.

if yall are gonna keep chicken heading it up in here could you please

please

PLEASE

STOP CHANGING WORD COLOR AND BOLD EVEY 2 SENTENCES ITS ANNOYING.
most people can read without needing shiny colors to draw the eye.
we still have about 3-5 generations before humanity has terminal adhd

CrackerJax · Oct 19, 2009

Even the church doesn't think that the Bible is the word of G*D. You've all twisted it for your selves.
Only fringe elements thing the Bible is true.

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

What are you Talking about Depressed, Cracked OUt, Thnk i NO it All, IE YOu...

What bible verses I'm quoting True to Be True of the God you Think I'm saying to Be True, although I've stated it for more than enough times...

Hit the Fucking Ignore Button if you Don't like to READ MY FUCKING POSTs ..

I'm Sorry If it brings BAck BaD MeMOries for YOu..

and Don't get me Wrong.. I mean It..

so Keep PUtting Forth your Stupid RAmbles, and WE can discuss Them as WEll

and HEre's a lill Pink for You 2

NOWitall said:
reality is transitory.

just being in a book doesnt make you exist no mater what format the book is in.

being a work of fiction doesnt mean that you dont exist. it just means you get to encourage faith.

the differance between fiction and non fiction, is a %. once group a-g says its reality, it becomes reality.

like Scientology, theres folks saying thats real, even though it was written by a writer of fiction as fiction, now to many people that is reality.

144,000. ok if thats all that gets in. why dont you stop recruiting at 144,000. and how does it work, is it a first come first serve sorta thing, some kinda lottery, draw straws??
cuz all the new people are statistically ruining my odds.

some people prefer to beleive their profit read their holy tome from a magic hat. cuz if i was god thats how id communicate with humans, some sketchy dude reading from a hat nobody else is alowed to look into. but now its reality for alot of people.

if you wonder the planet im sure youll meet folks that believe in narnia, sure psychosis doesnt make it real real, but it makes it real enough for them.

and what is proof. what could god possibly do to prove his existence (and if anybody comes back with "well he made the universe didnt he" kiss my ass and go read a fuckin book, as you have no idea how to think)

the religious dont wanna believe shit just happens
and the non-religious dont wanna believe they arent in control

and it seems those that scream the loudest really only want to convince themselves

but back to the proof thing. stop quoting the bible, god didnt write that. in fact according to the MAN-written bible the only thing god wrote were some commandments. that most his followers ignore. there is no proof god exists, just like theres no proof he doesnt. there never can be. even if it was scientificly proven that the universe created itself, theres no way of saying the dominoes weren't set up by god, no matter who started the bricks falling.

thats the great thing about god, it allows for faith, even requires it.
wheras science only allows for facts theories, and requires nothing but an ability to stare at complex quantum equations while some guy goes "see, now does it make sense"

but some of yall have me wrong. while i did mean we should stop arguing, and get back to issues worthy of contemplation. i meant it less globaly than localy.
I.E. YOU TWO.

your arguing with each other like a couple of well read 8 year old girls.
and its fun to read dont get me wrong, ok actually it isnt.

if yall are gonna keep chicken heading it up in here could you please

please

PLEASE

STOP CHANGING WORD COLOR AND BOLD EVEY 2 SENTENCES ITS ANNOYING.
most people can read without needing shiny colors to draw the eye.
we still have about 3-5 generations before humanity has terminal adhd

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Even the church doesn't think that the Bible is the word of G*D. You've all twisted it for your selves.
Only fringe elements thing the Bible is true.

Exactly, Who care's what the Church body thinks, Everything in this World is for YOU to bring into Understanding for yourself... The only person who thinks the Bible is True or Untrue is YOU..

CrackerJax · Oct 19, 2009

Exactly... just because the church invented the religion is no reason to actually follow their teachings.... just make it up as you go along.... right? :roll:

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Exactly... just because the church invented the religion is no reason to actually follow their teachings.... just make it up as you go along.... right?

Everything in this world came into being. IE, invention, Evolution... To gain understanding, through taking in the History and Knowledge of Human Experiences is not going along with it.. It's just that, adding to the Human Experience, Learning From it, and Passing it along..? Just as the Scientific Works you come across, that you only feel is sufficient for your Human Experience..that's fine, that is what you will add to it, Learn From, and pass it Along.. I Choose to understand and Accept the whole Experience, Learn From it, and Pass it Along..

CrackerJax · Oct 19, 2009

Ur a poor teacher... you can't even communicate well.

The Bible comes from the church... it's theirs. They don't believe it to be the "word" of G*D anymore... but hey...just keep making it up!!!

Brazko · Oct 19, 2009

Yeah, I'll keep making it Up, The Church and Bible isn't part of the Human RAce & Human Existence.. That belongs to Us Earthlings... The Church is a Syndicate Alien Species That invaded our Civilization, and Mutated our Monkey Brains.. How's that for making it Up..., Did I communicate that well enough for you... I think that synopsis should win me some Kind of Fictional book Deal..., I'm so Excited!!

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