RAIDED!! EVERYTHING CLOSED! STATE WIDE PUSH!

ryan1918 said:

lol I wouldn't be going by no local city law, weed is legal in Saginaw, mt pleasant and around here for 1 oz or less only fineable, do you think they only fine people? Hell no people left and right getting weed charges and having to plead 74-11
these laws are a joke, I would start going by the medical marijuana site by lara the one that actually covers the actual state not just a local city.

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That's what the city is saying to abide by. These MMCC's must register like any other business within the city but must 1000 feet from all those places. They also have to follow to the current MMMP rules which says that a caregiver can only give and be compensated from their own patients and nobody else. The city is setting up these dispensaries to fail eventually.

Mr. Candiano said:

Sorry to hear about this.

Sb813 has been introduced honestly I have not read all 23 pages. Page 2-6 I believe doesn't interfere with medical



http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/billintroduced/Senate/pdf/2016-SIB-0813.pdf

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This bill has a long shot, even when it was introduced that was stated. The other house bills have a better chance of getting voted in than this one.

abe supercro said:

That's thoughtful, just dandy, but not for dispensary proprietors, not in my estimation at least. Ppl nearly go broke paying 20$ per gram to them. Wonder how much his business grossed annually at that rate? oh wait, were dispensaries actually legal? maybe i missed something.

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Abe, why the hostility toward small business owners? Jealous much? Do you protest your local fine dining restaurants about their prices? Like most businesses in this country, dispensaries have a range of prices to fit any budget. No one is FORCED to shop anywhere.

Healenz said:

Abe, why the hostility toward small business owners? Jealous much? Do you protest your local fine dining restaurants about their prices? Like most businesses in this country, dispensaries have a range of prices to fit any budget. No one is FORCED to shop anywhere.

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when your a cancer or true medical patient yes you are forced to buy there.. if you can't grow your forced to buy there if you rent in a area where the owner won't allow grows you are forced to buy there.. trust me if your a patient, can't, doesnt know how or can't afford to get properly setup your forced to buy there.. not sure what your thinking and the patients are the reason those places survive... i know abe isn't pissy about dispensaries he's pissy about the they way treat growers and patients.. they buy so fucking low that most really small time growers can't profit well then they turn around and flip the ounces they buy at 150 for 400-560$.

Healenz said:

Abe, why the hostility toward small business owners? Jealous much? Do you protest your local fine dining restaurants about their prices? Like most businesses in this country, dispensaries have a range of prices to fit any budget. No one is FORCED to shop anywhere.

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when your disabled your forced to buy there... when your a patients and grower and your in-between grows and run out your forced to buy there..if your seriously allergic to some things and need your meds actually tested before consumption your forced to go to a dispensary that runs full tests... hell if your an adult worried about your neighbors of 30 years noticing your growing pot in your basement and don't want that attention.. your forced to go to a dispensary .. we aren't talking about people that wanna go get high get screwed by dispensaries.. theres real patients out there.

not everyone knows growers or has a web of connections.

phil k said:

when your a cancer or true medical patient yes you are forced to buy there.. if you can't grow your forced to buy there if you rent in a area where the owner won't allow grows you are forced to buy there.. trust me if your a patient, can't, doesnt know how or can't afford to get properly setup your forced to buy there.. not sure what your thinking and the patients are the reason those places survive... i know abe isn't pissy about dispensaries he's pissy about the they way treat growers and patients.. they buy so fucking low that most really small time growers can't profit well then they turn around and flip the ounces they buy at 150 for 400-560$.

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A, I'm sorry Phil but, I paid no less then $175 per. It had to be tested on your dime and be CLEAN! Organic got higher prices and I NEVER got a complaint about patient cost.

Top shelf was $20

Just so you all know. The high CBD stuff was FLYING off the shelves faster then the "Lets get fucked up stuff" and I NEVER charged more then $15 per on true medical strains!
I had patients with limited incomes and I always made a point of only charging them $10 per! NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOSE FOR MEDS!

I NEVER went in this business with GREED in mind! I wanted to HELP those who needed alternative Meds and to be active in the legislative push for Marijuana freedom!

I paid my employee's in shares of profit, not hourly wages.....I think the last I checked the difference. They made around 22.00 an hr.

i wasn't talking about you I'm talking about dispensaries in general. and 175 isn't great i know hydro guys that get that plus in certain areas... and their grows aren't up to par... the point is theres a 100% market or more in some cases. and you can't sit and say because you do something everyone does I'm talking about dispensaries in general i never directed anything to you or your place. not every dispensary sells patients their top shelf for 10$ hell i don't know of any that do.. no one was attacking you go back and re-read the post.

Healenz said:

Abe, why the hostility toward small business owners? Jealous much? Do you protest your local fine dining restaurants about their prices? Like most businesses in this country, dispensaries have a range of prices to fit any budget. No one is FORCED to shop anywhere.

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when your disabled your forced to buy there... when your a patients and grower and your in-between grows and run out your forced to buy there..if your seriously allergic to some things and need your meds actually tested before consumption your forced to go to a dispensary that runs full tests... hell if your an adult worried about your neighbors of 30 years noticing your growing pot in your basement and don't want that attention.. your forced to go to a dispensary .. we aren't talking about people that wanna go get high get screwed by dispensaries.. theres real patients out there.

not everyone knows growers or has a web of connections.

Dr. Who said:

A, I'm sorry Phil but, I paid no less then $175 per. It had to be tested on your dime and be CLEAN! Organic got higher prices and I NEVER got a complaint about patient cost.

Top shelf was $20

Just so you all know. The high CBD stuff was FLYING off the shelves faster then the "Lets get fucked up stuff" and I NEVER charged more then $15 per on true medical strains!
I had patients with limited incomes and I always made a point of only charging them $10 per! NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOSE FOR MEDS!

I NEVER went in this business with GREED in mind! I wanted to HELP those who needed alternative Meds and to be active in the legislative push for Marijuana freedom!

I paid my employee's in shares of profit, not hourly wages.....I think the last I checked the difference. They made around 22.00 an hr.

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As for the laws changing in MI.

Schutte's goal has been to make MM a catch 22 situation in all ways! (I TOLD anyone who would listen back when he was running for AG. He was the leading anti - medical marijuana person in MI when the vote was being taken! Now what the FUCK did you who voted for MM and Schutte, think he was going to do when he got elected to the AG post? Just like I said in public and in the press. His FIRST acts were AGAINST the MM laws!

The way things are now.

The idea of a disp being legal is FALSE! AS PER STATE LAW - ALL disp are AGAINST THE LAW! local AG's may ignore them or allow them BUT (and there is NO such thing as a "State" issued permit at this time) the STATE can come in at any time and do what they did to ME! The local AG's MUST comply to ANY request by the State AG to raid, close and arrest ANY disp operating in their jurisdiction!
I had "agreements" with my Local AG's I had to deal with. I had gone to city and township board meetings and got the OK to operate! BIG fucking whoopy! I pissed off the Sate AG's by actually fighting for MM and Legalization! I made points proving the anti's fears as wrong by using science fact.....DON'T piss of the AG!!!


As a caregiver. You are allowed to distribute to your patients ONLY and get paid cash for your work!
You may ONLY posses, transfer 2.5 zips per patient at any given time!
NO (0) transfers to disp. are allowed for overages! You do and that's an automatic manufacture/delivery charge!
ANY overages are to be destroyed! (shredded and burned are the legal requirements)
If your storing a gram over 2.5 zips per patient = YOU'RE in violation!
You can not even GIVE it away to anyone BUT your patient! (I have been nailed for free giving of weed to several cancer and fibromyalgia patients as I have no room on my caregiver status to add more. They are basically immobile and I visited them at their homes!)

Home growers. Your allowed 12 plants - DON'T fucking grow them all at once!
You are allowed 2.5 zips in your possession at any given time - dried and cured - ONLY!
Each rooted plant counts at 1 plant, even a nub on a clone is defined as a root!
If you have say 3 plants in boom and are going for a rotation and have 3 in veg.. You must ask yourself how much will I have when dry? Over 2.5? BAD news!

Schutte has made this so he can hit anyone at anytime and for the most part - catch you with some sort of violation....Once you are IN the system - you'll never get out! They have your #.....

OBAY the laws! No matter how STUPID they or the AG is!

Son of a bitch! So sorry to hear it Dr. Who. And a big FUCK YOU to those not supporting you here.

Dr. Who said:

A, I'm sorry Phil but, I paid no less then $175 per. It had to be tested on your dime and be CLEAN! Organic got higher prices and I NEVER got a complaint about patient cost.

Top shelf was $20

Just so you all know. The high CBD stuff was FLYING off the shelves faster then the "Lets get fucked up stuff" and I NEVER charged more then $15 per on true medical strains!
I had patients with limited incomes and I always made a point of only charging them $10 per! NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOSE FOR MEDS!

I NEVER went in this business with GREED in mind! I wanted to HELP those who needed alternative Meds and to be active in the legislative push for Marijuana freedom!

I paid my employee's in shares of profit, not hourly wages.....I think the last I checked the difference. They made around 22.00 an hr.

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so you paid $175 for your top shelf I'm assuming? makes sense you'd pay most for what you can earn most on... so you buy an ounce for $175 and get $520 back and you wanna act like a hero?

thats $345 per ounce in PROFIT. so your GROSSING TWICE AS MUCH AS THE GROWER~!~@!@!~@~!~!

ok lets pretend you only get $15 a gram for the stuff you pay $175 for THATS STILL $400 AN OUNCE!!@#!@#!

i bet belle tire gets its tires from kumho for like $30 a piece and is able to sell them for $300 a pop... thats how business works for sure....

NO its called supply and demand and because theres an over abundance of people who have a supply but are to afraid to go build a demand people like yourself are able to take the risk and MAKE MILLIONS $345 at a time.... you said it yourself... your pay $175 per ounce YOU MAKE $520 DOLLARS ON!!!!

basically if the laws weren't so shady and people were able to openly share the fact they have overages the economy would be totally different... the dispensary owners would be shit out of luck if they wanna lowball because if i can openly trade with other patients, a dispensary can go all throatzilla on my backside, end of story.

k sorry got a little rant like... didn't mean to interrupt the QQ session for the guy MAKING $520 AN OUNCE WHEN HE BUYS IT FOR $175!!!!!?!?!?!? wtf..

huh... i knew some shit was gonna start with this post everyones feelings are very different with dispensaries and their models... i feel everyone ....

and to HGKs credit he's totally right i know 100% organic growers with overages that would gladly take 200$ an ounce from patients directly instead of having to dump it to dispensaries for that or less so they can middle man it to needing patients.. but again... those patients don't have those connections so they are forced to deal with dispensaries... vicious cycle!! i personally know a few dispensaries that actually take meds on loan from the growers sell them and give much much more back to the growers.. if the grower wants to sell up front they do give less but if your willing to do consignment and your product sells you have no worries and are getting more in your pocket.

if dispensaries cared for the growers as much as they claim to care for patients it would be a win win for everyone. But everybody wants to be a fucking cowboy!

phil k said:

and to HGKs credit he's totally right i know 100% organic growers with overages that would gladly take 200$ an ounce from patients directly instead of having to dump it to dispensaries for that or less so they can middle man it to needing patients.. but again... those patients don't have those connections so they are forced to deal with dispensaries... vicious cycle!! i personally know a few dispensaries that actually take meds on loan from the growers sell them and give much much more back to the growers.. if the grower wants to sell up front they do give less but if your willing to do consignment and your product sells you have no worries and are getting more in your pocket.

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i doubt they would "GLADLY" take $200 if they've been doing this for more then 4 years.. probably "forced to take $200 so they can keep the lights on because its the best deal because the MJ economy is skewed all to hell" is a better way to put it

anyone thats been around this industry for even 3 years remembers the $300 min days... hell i got $400 from a middle man as a grower for the first couple batches he wad getting $20 a G and happy to pay $400... THATS STILL $120 IN HIS POCKET FOR MAKING A TRADE! get it done in an hour and you just made $120 in an hour...

this monster paying $175 and getting $520 is just that... a monster taking advantage of a crooked law that keeps the caregivers down with fear and forces us to have to bow down to some greed monster with a storefront.

HGK420 said:

i doubt they would "GLADLY" take $200 if they've been doing this for more then 4 years.. probably "forced to take $200 so they can keep the lights on because its the best deal because the MJ economy is skewed all to hell" is a better way to put it

anyone thats been around this industry for even 3 years remembers the $300 min days... hell i got $400 from a middle man as a grower for the first couple batches he wad getting $20 a G and happy to pay $400... THATS STILL $120 IN HIS POCKET FOR MAKING A TRADE! get it done in an hour and you just made $120 in an hour...

this monster paying $175 and getting $520 is just that... a monster taking advantage of a crooked law that keeps the caregivers down with fear and forces us to have to bow down to some greed monster with a storefront.

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No you know what i mean actually 220-240 they normally gladly take but dispensary wise they are getting the 200 or less the point was they would gladly take the 200 from a patient directly as opposed to selling it to a dispensary so they can charge that same patient 400

You want change in this country/state



Or at least stop voting for them ...

TheMan13 said:

You want change in this country/state

Or at least stop voting for them ...

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and prey to god bernie and hillary don't combine forces for a hillary pres/bernie vp ticket.... even trumps wall couldn't save us then lol..

www.grassmatch.com is a good referral source for local caregivers and patients to meet. I am sorry to hear ANYONE is running afoul of LEO over medical marijuana. My personal opinion on dispensaries is that they are a very important source of medication for some patients, but not the only source. My hope is that they will be formally legalized in the near future and that would improve the program for all patients and caregivers.

Dr. Bob

Cruz and Rubio are the exact same joke, just advocating a different ideology for the highest bidder. We The People have a symbiotic relationship with law, but a parasitic relationship to these lawyers controlled and paid for by the 1%.

yep... i feel the same its a catch 22... they are needed for patients who have no where else to go or can't grow on their own.. but even things like grass match is something that makes patients who are not involved in the cannabis stuff nor ever have been really skeptical about meeting people.

HGK420 said:

i doubt they would "GLADLY" take $200 if they've been doing this for more then 4 years.. probably "forced to take $200 so they can keep the lights on because its the best deal because the MJ economy is skewed all to hell" is a better way to put it

anyone thats been around this industry for even 3 years remembers the $300 min days... hell i got $400 from a middle man as a grower for the first couple batches he wad getting $20 a G and happy to pay $400... THATS STILL $120 IN HIS POCKET FOR MAKING A TRADE! get it done in an hour and you just made $120 in an hour...

this monster paying $175 and getting $520 is just that... a monster taking advantage of a crooked law that keeps the caregivers down with fear and forces us to have to bow down to some greed monster with a storefront.

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and please stop with the I've been here 4 years.. etc that stuff so irritating.. I've been in the "industry" since 2009 and i was growing well before that when growers pocketed all this money and you couldn't get nugs for 400$ an ounce if you tried. does that make me a better person than you knowledge wise?

Dr. Bob said:

www.grassmatch.com is a good referral source for local caregivers and patients to meet. I am sorry to hear ANYONE is running afoul of LEO over medical marijuana. My personal opinion on dispensaries is that they are a very important source of medication for some patients, but not the only source. My hope is that they will be formally legalized in the near future and that would improve the program for all patients and caregivers.

Dr. Bob

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