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GregS said:

How 'bout it Buck? It's hard to imagine that an intelligent and articulate guy like you has nothing constructive to offer.

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what does a >'union'< do greg the 800lb monkey...................................???
















...........it >>"protects" its members-


not like an "association" that is ""fake"" and 'frontin'-

what do i do? <------me



--try and keep people ""awake"" from this side of the screen here in the 10tHd

buckaroo bonzai said:

what does a >'union'< do greg the 800lb monkey...................................???

...........it >>"protects" its members-


not like an "association" that is ""fake"" and 'frontin'-

what do i do? <------me



--try and keep people ""awake"" from this side of the screen here in the 10tHd

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Are you suggesting these 'unions" already exist? Maybe I am just dense, but am unaware of any, unless you mean to say groups, like compassion clubs, that advocate for their members. Take for instance the original club in Clare. They have been real active in helping people with section 8 defenses. Another recent example is the Mid Michigan Club that is scrambling to get patients certs, after having found that a doctor had his medical license expire at the first of the year and continued to write the damn things, and having those applications denied by LARA because. There is consensus that we will take up opposition to 4271, or for that matter any move to bone us, and I relish the opportunity. Some of us are geared to go with the moratorium/ordinance issue, and are waiting on the Supreme Court to rule in Ter Beek. Then there is the more mundane work of walking new patients through getting certified, authorized by the State, and competent to grow or to find a caregiver. Yeah Buck. This stuff really happens, and many good people are involved.

What rights have we lost that you ask that I magically recover? The few small changes that have been recently made are not so onerous to be very objectionable. Those bills as introduced, and suggested amendments to them during the legislative process, were much more restrictive, and would have been pretty ugly. Next time, and there will be a next time, that we throw down with these people I want to party with you, cowboy. If you mean to say court decisions, those that have been taken to their conclusion support the text of the law. It has not changed in any way to remove any right.

Do you have something else in mind? What will you contribute toward that in terms of time and effort? I don't give a fuck what you want to call it, as long as it gets the job done. There is no sense in hand wringing if you don't have the support you need in your area, but it is necessary to pull something together to work on your behalf. You are near Lake Michigan, are you not?

patient-to-patient transfers would be nice but that's too much freedom. can't have that, people may become satisfied.

abe supercro said:

patient-to-patient transfers would be nice but that's too much freedom. can't have that, people may become satisfied.

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As it turns out, p2p is not permitted per section 4(d)(2). That clause was always a part of the law. I argued for p2p along with a number of good people and cannot agree more that it is just stupid to prohibit it. We were disappointed, but the SC ruling in McQueen resolved it altogether, and the justices were right. There is no getting around the law without opening it up again for amendment; a risky and difficult business.

buckaroo bonzai said:

the new 'hoops' they have created for pts to jump thru to be 'compliant' are restrictive and rediculous.....

i have allready heard a half dozen stories of folks having trouble renewing per the new 'bona fide' BS-(thks bOb)
denied for technicalities and made to jump thru more hoops to prove their condition....

they have made the law more restrictive....
not greater access for pts....

being able to share it free or otherwisewas the first step-
now its the same as it ever was....

that is the whole dialectic playing out here right now...(and every other mmj state)
they have boxed us in and now and its all about ""access"" ($$$) and who controls that

--->NO mR silverbAcK
no there are no 'patientunions' in mich
thats just it

the 'association' you post@ is fake and bullshit ...imo-

seems there are 'no' real patient support groups here except for a couple that you have mentioned...
there are a few more like jackson and flint tho too-
but misguided and misalligned

seems every 'group' here has a dispensary system for distribution connected to their support ....
its backwards

they want patients to supportdistribution hoodwinking them into thinking itwill be fortheir(pt) benefit but in reality only those that hold the reigns will reap any benefit($$$)

the first clubs were all started by pts for pts
with the collective distribution model supporting that...
not the backwards model here

when i seehigh profile clubs that give ""free"" medicine toterminal pts then iwill support that with all my strength and resources...$$
like the WAMM format if you do your homework

clubs will makethe $ off the periphereal of these type formats....not the core -->terminal pts

it is right now how much can you afford ..."medicine"
which isa plant and could be mostly free-

i do notsee the CC model as patients rights defenders or even anything but a vetted cg system...period-

very scattered unity here and everything going in different directions it looks intentionally....

how about yourquote to sFc last year

when you were more off the fence with them than on
where you said " rep horn told you they were going to keep the patients dispatched so as not to interfere w any legislation they were working on"
should i go back in time and search for that?

i am no where near lake mich-
i am by a2 land of the boldclubs and the guild which is fucking us if u ask me-
erb has always been 'tolerated' here-

hell....do you know how many people 'sell'pot in a2 now??
everyone-evry 20-30yr old thinks they are going to cash in on the mmj law and make alot of $$.....pfffft!

and whos afraid in the place where mmj was first decrimed...40 yrs ago-


yeah the two examples u use are good ones
those folks are trying to stand together and protect each other....
thats what i am talking about.....

CC seem to be dead and an oxy moron for the most part tho-

seems sec8 is really all we have for lattitude unless u are just growing for yourself and following every rule to the letter..

i am glad u are an 800lb silverback to go into the 'arena' if that is truly what you do-
i have $upport when the time comes


i cant get past the rhetoric @ other site tho-
seems to be double entendre'


no prob-
i am a nobodyhere and keep to myself and my small circle of 'old' folks.
...we are all pushing 60now
but
.....we have been here from the beginning

a2 is its owncountry here in mich-




thats what the Fm do-.....???

well the few (1) --left but they are starting to crop back as the clubs look for any opportunity to capitalize($$) on the law @ our expense

yea the window has slammed shut for the option to'protest' for what rights we 'thought ' we had-




right--

-so really sec8 is all there is for a defence if ur caught doing ANYtHING wrong.....
and the SC ruling was bullshit designed for all this-
it was a setup for the next step in the dialectic ....if ask me-

i mean even if you are following all the rules they may charge you w unusable per state law....
or will try @ ur expen$e-

its all based on how much 'protection' u can afford-
100$ plastic card?
lololol

and---
they took it from the health dept and moved it to >> licensing and regulatory affairs...??....wtf?
its a public health care issue-- period

where do licensing and regulatory come into play?

oh yeah the business model where they will label cg a home based model liable for tax and everything else that goes with business regulation feesand licensing.....udontsee that writing on the wall?

where are all the groups doing courtroomactivism monitoring and supporting these poor folks caught up w 1 xtra plant or slightly out of the boundries???
groups helping patients get jury trials instead of pleas?

thats right the lawyers seem to be orchestrating

i dont seeany supprt on that level
......would be nice to see cases posted every month so some could go sit in for support and learn how this 'system' is fucking us

but then if patients turned out in droves to watch these cases and support some of the poor folks caught up
the lawyers wouldnt have any work($$$) now would they???
it is ass backwards here-

i worked with alot of the groups out west that brought them their rights they have now today there...
colorado too-
colorado $$ took our hard fought activism for pts rights and turned it into a 'for profit'format-
same thing they are trying to do here-

WAMM womens/mens mmj alliance(first pt collective in the country that supports pts....not dispensaries)
BAMM butte county alliance for mmj
SAMM sonoma county alliance for mmj
MAMM marin county alliance
HAMM hunboldt alliance for mmj
MMPU mendocino medical mmj patients union that started all of it- the whole ' collective' format-
MMAB mendocino medical marijuana advisory board (copied in a2 but fake for the clubs not pts)

do you want me to right you a history of how mmjgot started and got to the point we are @???
here and elsewhere.....

i was there @ the birth-


it died before it even got thru the birth canal here-
the rights we thought we had....

yes but if you have enough $$ the lawyers here will be able to get you whatever amount of rights you want to purchase....kiss-ass
including the right to have a dispensary and warehouse now if you have full sets of cards-
or FM opportunities if you are willing to take that chance now-

arrest proof?
or-
conviction proof?

what would you like to purchase??

yes greggy the little plastic 100$ card does nothing IMO to protect actual pts or cg that are trying to follow all the rules...
it is almost impossible( by design) to stay in the 'parameters' they have givenus-

@ some point anyone trying to grow their own medicine for themselves OR others is going to step out of those boundries-


they are still leveraging the grey areas while telling the rest of us to stay in the box.....its not done yet-


fight the good fight tho if that is what your hearttruly feels-

you have many spectatorsbut fewparticipators and the majority is left wondering WTF?

gladiators-
spectators-
and the colateral damage-

people that make things happen....

people that watch things happen......

and people that wonder what the fuck happened?



and hair grease u 800lb silverback-

-keep it 'smoov' like butta-

live the dream and keep it real-

seeyou a 'round' like a clown-

or better yet ....seeyou around like a donut-

(oh and are u the Greg S. "will" mentioned? u can wink if you dont want to say)

oh and i forgot to add i am anxiously awaiting all the sec8 'cases' we will see by fall ....with the newGH rules....lolol

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Easy there little fella. I'm not the enemy.

It is not impossible to affiliate with any number of groups. That I do without signing on with a blood oath I'm ok with. Aside from posting on some boards you, for whatever reason, do not care to frequent does not mean that we are over there fucking each other. It has been said to keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. There are some of both everywhere I look, and I line up with those who are worth my while. Where there are too many of the latter and not enough of the former, I have no problem walking away. And you make things sooo amusing, and are pretty well informed.

SFC and I disagreed with our approaches to the legislature, loudly and clearly. Nonetheless, the results were acceptable to both of us, as the end result was really very easy to take. We beat each other up a little and drank beers afterward, euphemistically speaking. I mean, defined bona fide pt/dr relationships, storing the stuff out of reach in your auto, and a couple of other bullshit provisions, but nothing worse to get wound up over. We both have patient protections first. And I've told you, you'd be great help next time.

Everything else if fluff Buck, but that's just my brand of kool aid.

You are just a short ride from Lansing (smiles), and I'll be sixty soon enough. There are associations with people who are not readily visible, but I assure you that we work together. If you don't want to be on board, there is no reason to compel you, except maybe that you are motivated and talk too fucking much. Those qualities can go a long way.