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TRICKKY

TRICKKY

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treegardener said:
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So, here's a viable question for you. WHY DO SEEDS COST SO MUCH !! I mean how can people charge $90 for 15 White Widow seeds? or more?

Peace,
Tree:weed:
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I'll offer my opinion on that one, If you like. I will put it in layman speak but, I would recommend you research breeding for a more detailed explanation.

From what I have found, the prices for seeds a certain strain vary, depending on who you buy them off.

If your paying slightly more from a seed bank who developed that particular strain, then you are paying for the work that went into creating that strain, and most importantly making it stable. So as long as you grow with a certain amount of skill (no need to be an expert), you will get plants that are uniform, potent and more or less the same quality as the Parents (That your seeds were bred from).

If you buy that same strain from a seedbank that did not create that strain originally, then you should be paying upto half the price. This is due mainly to the fact that, seeds from the original parents have been bought from the original breeders, the seeds are grown, and the plants that result, are bred. So you are not buying seeds from the original parents, you are buying seeds from the offspring of the original parents.

Now, buying seeds in the first way (more expensive) almost guarantees you end up with plants as good as the originals. However you can buy the cheaper versions and still end up with plants just as stable, potent etc. as the originals. Buying cheaper seeds does not result in poor quality plants buy any means!

One of my favourite strains is called Cyber Crystal, You can get it for less than £30, it's a very forgiving grow, much alike white widow, and fantastic for indoors.

Now aside from what's above. With some breeders you are paying mucho for class, with others you are paying mucho for no other reason than their cheek and willingness to rip people off!

So the best advice I can offer for any first time grower, is to find a reputable seedbank, choose some seeds that are easy to grow and won't cost you the earth. And have some fun. If later on you wan't something a bit special, then you can decide weather or not you want to pay a bit extra for your seeds.
 
TRICKKY

TRICKKY

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Oh and it's good to see you back. I hope you decide to stick around.

It's great here most of the time, and unfortunate that one of your first threads was over run by the disagreements of others.

Peace :weed:
 
winkdogg420

winkdogg420

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Is there any proof that you grew 16 pounds of pot with flourescent tubes??? I hope so because im doing a cfl grow! Im sure you already answered this but i would love to see pics or a vid or some proof of the 16 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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treegardener said:
:roll: We are all ages. I am young at heart at least :).

So, here's a viable question for you. WHY DO SEEDS COST SO MUCH !! :confused: Isn't it like price gouging, like thy do when gas is at a premium?
I asked this question earlier on this thread and no one responded. I mean how can people charge $90 for 15 White Widow seeds? or more?

Peace,

Tree:weed:
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I work with teenagers and have my own so I am sure I sound much younger...immature at heart!?!?

I wholeheartedly agree about the price gouging on seeds, and all things related to Mary for that matter.

The solution to this is to not buy there overpriced beans! I got mine from Attitude and the breeder is Barney's farm. They have some varieties that are not too bad. My 10 with shipping was $60 USD. I have sprouted 6 of them, 3 fems, more clones than I can use, or find a home for...so I will not be buying much more seed. Attitude always has a freebie special, if you order a certain dollar amount you get some free beans, probably old but others seem to be germing. They had a special after I made my initial order for 5 free G13 labs power skunk. You had to pay shipping anyhow so I went to "value seeds" or something like that (tab on attitudes page) and got 10 AK-48 for like $22. Still have these seeds.

I am cheap. I hate the price so I am kinda hoarding them. I learned how easy it is to clone, so I can keep the same genetics without the wasted time on males or the hermaphrodites of femminized seeds for twice the price. I have bought clones locally off craigslist for my other strains and have cloned one. The other, after harvest, I left a very small amount of green on the cut stem (maybe a bong hit when dry so no loss) and put them back under veg light (18-24 hours/day your choice) and with patience they return to beautiful girls with preflowers ready to flower or clone when you are...no seeds!!!

I cloned my male plants to practice. I originally planned to grow a male clone and a female clone in a trash can under a cfl or three to polinate her and collect her seeds. I kinda chickened out, don't want stray pollen or odor, light, temp, ordinary problems with so much going on already. I still have 4 boy clones with no pollen sacs under nothing but passive indirect light that I throw strong nutes at every once-in-a-while to see if they will burn...they are tough little buggers cuz they are slowly trying to grow inspite of my abuse. My original plan was to make lots of seed for me and give away as much as possible, you know Johnny Cannabis Seed. I still want to do this.

So make your own seed all you RIUers and give freely to you local pot heads. If you know schwag smokers, encourage them to toss seeds along rivers, streams, highways, grade schools, Ok maybe not that last one but you get the point. This is as it was in the midwest and south before Anslinger's War. Make Kansas green again!

The more time they spend hacking down the wild hemp the less time they can spend messin with hippies!

If you are interested in making your own seed, ther is a member named "Bonz" who has recently crossed and back crossed a couple of strains and now has dry seed.

:peace:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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treegardener said:
I finally got around to checking out some of the websites that sell pot seeds and I think they really ask too much for them. I see it as price gouging. The lowest was $35 for 15 seeds. The more exotic strains ask $100, $200, on up for 15 seeds. Don't you think this is ridiculous? It certainly makes me consider just finiding a grower.
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treegardener said:
So, here's a viable question for you. WHY DO SEEDS COST SO MUCH !! :confused: Isn't it like price gouging, like thy do when gas is at a premium?

I asked this question earlier on this thread and no one responded. I mean how can people charge $90 for 15 White Widow seeds? or more?
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Seeds are expensive for many reasons.

Prohibition adds to the cost of seeds immensely.

Breeders are in business. Producing a strain takes time and time is money. So you are not just paying for the seeds themselves. You are paying for the expertise required to produce the seeds.

And not all seeds are expensive comparatively. Even older Cannabis Cup winners are within reach of the average grower.

Seeds bought from a well established seed bank will cost more than seeds from a discount seed bank.

A new, highly sought-after strain will cost more than an older variety. Skunk #1 can be had quite reasonably.
 
treegardener

treegardener

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Hey Dub - Happy New Year :joint: :hug: You really do have a good explanation for everything. Good job. Yeah, some kids have too much tme on their hands. Wait til they have to get out there and earn a living. Then time becomes more precious then money. But kids should be kids while they can be kids.

Tree :weed:

DubB83 said:
That happens a lot on these forums, and frankly we are better off without those hot air balloons going around blowing smoke. You really have to just -rep the guy and that way everyone knows what a joke he it.

Sometimes people (usually adolescents living with parents that cannot have a grow op) pick up a George Cervantes, SeeMoreBuds or any other reputable growers book and come on the forum trying to be Billy Badass and "rock" the world of growing by sharing fabricated information.

This was a common occurance on OverGrow.org when it was still around back in the day.
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treegardener

treegardener

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TRICKKY said:
I'll offer my opinion on that one, If you like. I will put it in layman speak but, I would recommend you research breeding for a more detailed explanation.

Excellent answer Trickky - Now I get it. I guess the best thing then is to shop around and find the best deal go to some of the websites people suggest here to find a good price. I admit I have not reached the stage where I am shopping around. Believe it or not I am still waiting for my seeds to sprout that I got from a bud given to me a month ago. It can take up to twelve days. These seeds were really tiny and it was Blu that told me that they came from a plant that was not fully mature. So I am hoping they will still sprout. When I look through a magnifying glass it looks like things are happening.

Again, I am looking for certain types for Medical Marijuana and joining this forum has led me to a lot of good information and continues to do so.

So you are speaking in terms of pounds. You must be in the UK perhaps. Thanks again for your answer.

Tree:leaf:
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treegardener

treegardener

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Yes, of course "prohibition". Forgot about that aspect. And "in the business" - also a logical factor. Can you suggest some websites for what you stated below?

Also is Skunk more sativa or indica or something else? What kind of high do you get from Skunk #1?

Tree :weed:

Johnnyorganic said:
Seeds are expensive for many reasons.
And not all seeds are expensive comparatively. Even older Cannabis Cup winners are within reach of the average grower.

Seeds bought from a well established seed bank will cost more than seeds from a discount seed bank.

A new, highly sought-after strain will cost more than an older variety. Skunk #1 can be had quite reasonably.
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Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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treegardener said:
Yes, of course "prohibition". Forgot about that aspect. And "in the business" - also a logical factor. Can you suggest some websites for what you stated below?
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I will pm you.
treegardener said:
Also is Skunk more sativa or indica or something else? What kind of high do you get from Skunk #1?
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Cross of indica (Afghani) and sativa (Mexican Gold & Columbian Gold).

Sweet taste with an up (buzzy) high.
 
treegardener

treegardener

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Gosh Hayduke - You really sound like a pro. Can we negotiate about your throwing some seeds in my directiion? I mean not for free, but - well we can at least talk about it.

So the male plants are totally no good for smoking and only good for pollinating the female plants?

You only know if you have female seeds if you either order femenized seeds specifically otherwise not until you grow them. Right?

Tree:leaf:

P.S. Apologies for not reading before asking. I am sure this question has most likely been asked a million times on this forum at sometime or another. But I have dialup internet with REALLY slow download of pages, so I do ask before reading.


Hayduke said:
I work with teenagers and have my own so I am sure I sound much younger...immature at heart!?!?

I wholeheartedly agree about the price gouging on seeds, and all things related to Mary for that matter.

The solution to this is to not buy there overpriced beans! I got mine from Attitude and the breeder is Barney's farm. They have some varieties that are not too bad. My 10 with shipping was $60 USD. I have sprouted 6 of them, 3 fems, more clones than I can use, or find a home for...so I will not be buying much more seed. Attitude always has a freebie special, if you order a certain dollar amount you get some free beans, probably old but others seem to be germing. They had a special after I made my initial order for 5 free G13 labs power skunk. You had to pay shipping anyhow so I went to "value seeds" or something like that (tab on attitudes page) and got 10 AK-48 for like $22. Still have these seeds.

I am cheap. I hate the price so I am kinda hoarding them. I learned how easy it is to clone, so I can keep the same genetics without the wasted time on males or the hermaphrodites of femminized seeds for twice the price. I have bought clones locally off craigslist for my other strains and have cloned one. The other, after harvest, I left a very small amount of green on the cut stem (maybe a bong hit when dry so no loss) and put them back under veg light (18-24 hours/day your choice) and with patience they return to beautiful girls with preflowers ready to flower or clone when you are...no seeds!!!

I cloned my male plants to practice. I originally planned to grow a male clone and a female clone in a trash can under a cfl or three to polinate her and collect her seeds. I kinda chickened out, don't want stray pollen or odor, light, temp, ordinary problems with so much going on already. I still have 4 boy clones with no pollen sacs under nothing but passive indirect light that I throw strong nutes at every once-in-a-while to see if they will burn...they are tough little buggers cuz they are slowly trying to grow inspite of my abuse. My original plan was to make lots of seed for me and give away as much as possible, you know Johnny Cannabis Seed. I still want to do this.

So make your own seed all you RIUers and give freely to you local pot heads. If you know schwag smokers, encourage them to toss seeds along rivers, streams, highways, grade schools, Ok maybe not that last one but you get the point. This is as it was in the midwest and south before Anslinger's War. Make Kansas green again!

The more time they spend hacking down the wild hemp the less time they can spend messin with hippies!

If you are interested in making your own seed, ther is a member named "Bonz" who has recently crossed and back crossed a couple of strains and now has dry seed.

:peace:
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Hayduke

Hayduke

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treegardener said:
Gosh Hayduke - You really sound like a pro. Can we negotiate about your throwing some seeds in my directiion? I mean not for free, but - well we can at least talk about it.

So the male plants are totally no good for smoking and only good for pollinating the female plants?

You only know if you have female seeds if you either order femenized seeds specifically otherwise not until you grow them. Right?

Tree:leaf:

P.S. Apologies for not reading before asking. I am sure this question has most likely been asked a million times on this forum at sometime or another. But I have dialup internet with REALLY slow download of pages, so I do ask before reading.
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Whoa! absolutely not a pro! I just have a science background and like to pay attention to details.

Yes males are no good for smoking. And unless you buy the feminized seeds you do not know until they show pre-flowers. This happens either when you force them to show, which most people do, by putting them under 12 hours light and 12 hours of dark per day. They will also show pre-flowers with maturity, so if you grew the plants in veg 18-24hrs/day light for 8-12 weeks they will show, or so I am told. I have always forced the issue to save space, time, love, and expensive soil. But mostly space.

As for the seeds, if I was pollinating, I am sure we could work out something, but only if it was free! Though I am sure I would never do anything like that being that it would probably be a fed crime. I wonder if you don't use the USPS if the "crime" would be any less?

With the ever present mild paranoia in the back of mine and most potheads head, I started worrying about the number of what the man would consider plants, and the number I am allowed by Law. Being that I have more clones than I know what to do with...(did not plan on 100% success) the number of stems in my garden is getting up there. So reluctantly the 4 remaining male clones that refused to die are in the trash with some leaf fall from the flower box. the 5 clones in rockwool really need to get out of here also, though I am playing with flooding and draining them with full strength nutes (something I never use [anymore]). This is because I had come to the premature conclusion that soil is better than hydro, because the ones that were transplanted into cups of soil are doing MUCH better than the ones in rockwool. This was not a fair conclusion because I have been watering like soil. They have responded to the full strength nutes just today.

No apologies neccesary, no matter what the thread title!

I do need to apologize to all for my long posts. I am aware of the problem and I am looking for a twelve step program to help me quit this anoying habit!
:peace:
 
treegardener

treegardener

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Hayduke - This might be too advanced for me, but you mean I should find Bonz on this forum and chat with him? Your language is also a little advanced for me.

Tree

Quote: "If you are interested in making your own seed, ther is a member named "Bonz" who has recently crossed and back crossed a couple of strains and now has dry seed."
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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treegardener said:
Hayduke - This might be too advanced for me, but you mean I should find Bonz on this forum and chat with him? Your language is also a little advanced for me.

Tree

Quote: "If you are interested in making your own seed, ther is a member named "Bonz" who has recently crossed and back crossed a couple of strains and now has dry seed."
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If you wanted to know more about pollinating to grow seeds, he is someone who has recent experience and great photos from start to finish. Here is a link to his journal. You may be able to answer any questions by just reading his posts with his nice full size pics. Fun to look if nothing else.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/104360-bonz-s-dutch-treat-12-a.html
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treegardener

treegardener

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Hayduke said:
If you wanted to know more about pollinating to grow seeds, he is someone who has recent experience and great photos from start to finish. Here is a link to his journal. You may be able to answer any questions by just reading his posts with his nice full size pics. Fun to look if nothing else.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/104360-bonz-s-dutch-treat-12-a.html
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Hayduke - You are right - Bonz's thread is awesome. That is what helps me a lot are pictures. I will definitely go there for step-by-step instructions and recipes for soil mixtures. Thanks.

Tree
 
treegardener

treegardener

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Hey Haduke - I overlooked a lot of this post. Thank you for all you said here and also your apology. Texas South really was offensive. I mean maybe no one knew yet that I am a dudette and not a dude, but language like that is so graphic and creates pictures in the mind that take a long time to get rid of. That was my objection to his post. Also, I felt it was kind of abusive.

I think you are a really neat guy and look forward to more posting from you. The Bonze post was a real good find to lead me to. Thanks for that.

Tree :hug::leaf:


Hayduke said:
Ok, so on my first attempt to find more lies dribbling out of the shiny smurfs rectum (I thought about another term, but thought better of it:-|):

From a post yesterday entitled "too many kids" started by El Smurfo:

I work for investors who buy forums. I was pointed in this direction as a potential investment offer. So far I've seen very little potential due to "free reign" and "lack of moderation" but still think there's a good market for this type of forum.

Also, Tree person, we would love too see you grow some nice meds, lots of people (though some have pointed out there are only 50 who grow) would love to give you advice from their actual experiences. Why is it that you want to believe this person so badly? He is just plainly full of...excrement.

You have gotten this same general response from a few people on here that are for real! I don't know much I am on my third grow with the first being back in 1989, the second being a couple months ago with the usual newbie mistakes that I am now trying to stop in my third and near perpetual grow. I have and will make more mistakes in this grow. I keep a pretty good record of failures and to a lesser extent my successes. Some of that is posted in my journal.

While I don't recommend getting much from mine, after reading all the newbie stuff everyone has suggested, find a thread, any thread. Find someone on that thread who has responded (politely) who has more experience. Click their link to their current or past grow journal. Peruse quietly several of these until you find someone who seems to be successful
AND has original photos to show you what they are doing. Although some of these growers are a little arrogant (probably due to some silliness) many will be glad to help. It is possible to put pictures up that you stole, but the members who have a good rep and lots of info are probably legit. Also there are some very common pics (google images)that I have seen duplicated but usually people call that quickly, and the little kid comes back with a new user name and the same voice, only to be showed the door.

As far as finding a post on google, if you put a question into a google search on growing, more than half of the hits will be from this site. Good and complete info here open to public (except pics). So don't worry about finding your post on google...your famous already!

Lastly (whew I know), I would like to apologize to you for sticking up for "southtexas" and their use of language that was offensive to you. I am a huge smart rear and cna not do very much about that. I was only trying to diffuse the flame. I am glad that you have come back as you seem sincere about learning too grow. You could use a small dose of good ol' show-me-state sceptiscism! I am glad that you changed your hometown. It is very beautiful there, but a little too specific for the size of your community!

Note there is a group of people on here that seem to be older and use less potentially offensive combination of sylables. Not everything they say is non-offensive to all as they seem to be very conservative (pot growing repukes...biggest oxymoron I have ever heard of), christian, anti-choice, anti-Obama etc.. They often post on political topics in the politics section. Not as much talk of growing, but I assume that they have been doing it so long, they have tired of all the pic uploading. There are some very Knowledgable people there just too conservative for me.
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treegardener

treegardener

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Hey Hayduke - Re: "I do need to apologize to all for my long posts. I am aware of the problem and I am looking for a twelve step program to help me quit this anoying habit!"

What are you talking about? Yes they are a little long, but they have substance and content. Maybe you could try a 4 step program instead just to satisfy your need to go to any program at all.

:hug::hug: Tree
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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treegardener said:
Hey Haduke - I overlooked a lot of this post. Thank you for all you said here and also your apology. Texas South really was offensive. I mean maybe no one knew yet that I am a dudette
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treegardener said:
Maybe you could try a 4 step program instead just to satisfy your need to go to any program at all.

:hug::hug: Tree
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I kinda figured that when you were offended and then especially the new avatar!

Pics are best for me too! I will have new ones posted from the Seldom Seen Garden tonight! Please feel free to stop by!

Thanks for the hugs Tree Dudette! Back at ya' :hug::hug:
:peace:

Oh and I found a home for the 5 extra clones...met a fellow grower and he kicked down 5.5g of Romulan which he has kept for five years:bigjoint:
 
DubB83

DubB83

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I gotta +rep hayduke for being there when I couldn't answer also!

You gave the same answers I would have.

TreeGardener:
What type of medical condition are you trying to treat and what properties of the medicine do you seek? I may be able to help you narrow down a strain. The next problem will be locating a close genetic relative in the area or locating one from a reputable seed company.

USPS is a bad idea, there are other shippers that do not look to closely. But pre-american "terror controlled" world I was able to receive seeds directly from Amsterdam over the USPS with no problems.

Times change, oh well.

Back on the topic, Tree I see you are learning. It takes time to soak up the big stuff and practice will be all that is left. Then it will be just as any other plant.

EDIT
(Speaking of change, where the heck did they place the rep buttons?)
 
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