Schuylaar's Sesh - The Smart Gun Is Already Here Read It And Weep..

SirGreenThumb

SirGreenThumb

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NoDrama said:
The next day, about 10 hours since I was not in immediate danger.
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:lol: Even still, you were a victim of a home invasion. In my mind I would think they would want to get all the info while it was real fresh in your mind to maybe have a better chance of catching them or at least be able to tell people to be on the lookout for so in so.
 
tightpockt

tightpockt

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Ill admit that im part of the equation. I dont make the right decision ALL of the time.
Im not level headed %100 of the time. Just like everbody else....
introducing a gun into my life is just one more negative variable that I don't need. It's all about risk vs reward for me.
you can continue with your snide remarks and obvious misdirection. I'm kinda over this thread anyway.
 
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NoDrama

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tightpockt said:
Ill admit that im part of the equation. I dont make the right decision ALL of the time.
Im not level headed %100 of the time. Just like everbody else....
introducing a gun into my life is just one more negative variable that I don't need. It's all about risk vs reward for me.
you can continue with your snide remarks and obvious misdirection. I'm kinda over this thread anyway.
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I am glad you are aware of your shortcomings and know that since you don't have the responsibility to own a sidearm I commend you for that.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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UncleBuck said:
A subsequent Kellermann-led study identified both fatal and nonfatal injuries occurring in homes in 3 cities – Seattle WA, Memphis TN, and Galveston TX. It noted that for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four accidental shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides. (J of Trauma, August 1998. pp: 263-267). He then developed the now much criticized 43:1 ratio that states every time a gun is used in self-defense, it is 43 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide, or accidental shooting.
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this discredited "study" was not a "study" but rather, the talking points at a symposium.

here it is in it's full and complete glory, a grand total of 7 pages.

https://galileo.seas.harvard.edu/images/material/2800/1140/Kellerman_InjuriesDuetoFirearmsinThreeCities.pdf

this bullshit non-study has been flogged by gun grabbers for over a decade, yet has zero substance.

it is not "peer reviewed", it is not scientific, and it is NOT proof of anything except: in large urban centers you can find crime.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
this discredited "study" was not a "study" but rather, the talking points at a symposium.

here it is in it's full and complete glory, a grand total of 7 pages.

https://galileo.seas.harvard.edu/images/material/2800/1140/Kellerman_InjuriesDuetoFirearmsinThreeCities.pdf

this bullshit non-study has been flogged by gun grabbers for over a decade, yet has zero substance.

it is not "peer reviewed", it is not scientific, and it is NOT proof of anything except: in large urban centers you can find crime.
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maybe you should whine and cry some more instead of actually debunking anything, just don't wake up your mom in the next room though.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
Gun ownership INCREASES your chances of not becoming a victim. Not everyone is responsible enough to own a firearm though. As long as you follow the rules of ownership your chances of accidents happening are so minimized as to be insignificant.
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if by "insignificant", you mean much more likely to kill yourself or a family member rather than an intruder, then yes.

and if by "your chances of not becoming a victim", you mean that you are far more likely to fall on your own sword rather than stop an intruder, you are also right.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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UncleBuck said:
if by "insignificant", you mean much more likely to kill yourself or a family member rather than an intruder, then yes.

and if by "your chances of not becoming a victim", you mean that you are far more likely to fall on your own sword rather than stop an intruder, you are also right.
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I'll take my chances...
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
if by "insignificant", you mean much more likely to kill yourself or a family member rather than an intruder, then yes.

and if by "your chances of not becoming a victim", you mean that you are far more likely to fall on your own sword rather than stop an intruder, you are also right.
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All of your statistics are pretty much suicides, not "Accidental shootings" as you claim. Nice try though.
 
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schuylaar

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NoDrama said:
What shitty school did you go to? Weird kids doing things for attention all own guns now? The world really isn't like that. 2 out of 3 people own a firearm in this country. Most of them own a firearm for sporting purposes, rarely is the only reason somneone owns a firearm so that they can kill someone when the opportunity presents itself. Wanting the ability to defend yourself is not the same thing.
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i can't believe you say this with a straight face, stick man.

the whole point of this thread is that when technology exists you will do anything to stand in the way of your precious guns..including death threats of 2 gun store owners for doing the right thing..do try to get some help:

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-deal-adult-throws-temper-tantrum-1697785.html
 
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NoDrama

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schuylaar said:
i've noticed that with righties, guns are the equivalent phallic symbol..like their trucks.
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LOL I love the stereotypes, its like the opposite of the liberal stereotypes with a Prius and flowers or something.

In reality my very much a giant democrat friend drives a big truck, owns guns, carries a pistol and works in a coal mine. Likewise my very very conservative neighbor drives a Hybrid and donates his time to feeding the homeless on weekends from some of the land he has set aside to growing food for them. When he refers to Obama, the N word has been used.
 
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schuylaar

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NoDrama said:
To directly answer your question if any of my thousands of friends puts of pics of all their guns unprovoked? It has never happened to tell you the truth. I have a friend that posts his fucking cars all the fucking time though, and don't forget the people that post about their children 5 or 6 times per day.
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just like winterskunk posts food.
 
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NoDrama

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schuylaar

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SirGreenThumb said:
Indeed. I have 4 guns, 2 are used for hunting as is my crossbow, my sidearms usually my px4 is always with me as a just in case. I've only had to pull my sidearm once because of two drunk fuckers trying to start shit and one had a 3 ft steel bar, I took aim at his knee caps and gave him the option to turn around and go home or lose his knees..
They turned around and went home.
People seem to think that moments like that are easy to deal with.. Let me tell you, in my stance, my back leg was shaking, but I would have done what needed to be done if he would have taken one more step closer to me.
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and this was a bar fight?..what kind of bar do you chill where someone walks around with 3 ft steel bar?
 
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schuylaar

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NoDrama said:
Gun ownership INCREASES your chances of not becoming a victim. Not everyone is responsible enough to own a firearm though. As long as you follow the rules of ownership your chances of accidents happening are so minimized as to be insignificant.
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um, yeaaaaaaaaaah:

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down
Fact-checking some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments shows they're full of holes.
—By Dave Gilson

| Thu Jan. 31, 2013 4:01 AM PST
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  • By cutting off federal funding for research and stymieing data collection and sharing, the National Rifle Association has tried to do to the study of gun violence what climate deniers have done to the science of global warming. No wonder: When it comes to hard numbers, some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments are full of holes.

    Myth #1: They're coming for your guns.
    Fact-check: No one knows the exact number of guns in America, but it's clear there's no practical way to round them all up (never mind that no one in Washington is proposing this). Yet if you fantasize about rifle-toting citizens facing down the government, you'll rest easy knowing that America's roughly 80 million gun owners already have the feds and cops outgunned by a factor of around 79 to 1.


    Sources: Congressional Research Service (PDF), Small Arms Survey

    Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
    Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership. Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as assault-weapons bans or safe-storage requirements. Update: A recent study looking at 30 years of homicide data in all 50 states found that for every one percent increase in a state's gun ownership rate, there is a nearly one percent increase in its firearm homicide rate.


    Sources: Pediatrics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

    Myth #3: An armed society is a polite society.
    Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
    • Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
    • In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.
 
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schuylaar

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See our full special report on gun laws and the rise of mass shootings in America.

Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0
• Chances that a shooting at an ER involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5

Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their
property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

Myth #8: "Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.
Fact-check: So said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre after Newtown. So what's up with Japan?

United States Japan
Per capita spending
on video games $44 $55
Civilian firearms
per 100 people 88 0.6
Gun homicides
in 2008 11,030 11
Sources: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Small Arms Survey (PDF), UN Office on Drugs and Crime

Myth #9: More and more Americans are becoming gun owners.
Fact-check: More guns are being sold, but they're owned by a shrinking portion of the population.
• About 50% of Americans said they had a gun in their homes in 1973. Today, about 45% say they do. Overall, 35% of Americans personally own a gun.
• Around 80% of gun owners are men. On average they own 7.9 guns each.

Myth #10: We don't need more gun laws—we just need to enforce the ones we have.
Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby make it easier to get guns illegally.
• Around 40% of all legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks. 40% of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes got them this way.
• An investigation found 62% of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn't pass a background check.
• 20% of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to researchers posing as illegal "straw" buyers.
• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has not had a permanent director for 6 years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.
 
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