Second grow, White Widow X Big Bud Feminized. Hope you enjoy :D!

ya for sure have some kind of fan or air movement on them, and im sure you could get them straightened out by just rotating them, has worked for me before!

Well hello everyone . How is everyone's week so far? A lot of school work here, but impatiently awaiting my packages from Attitude at the same time XD. Here is an update on the grow . Here is what the room looks like as of now . Lamp is 21 inches above the new growths of both tallest plants.



All day and night this is what the temperature and humidity is. Occasionally the humidity will rise a few percent, but no more than that. The fan is also blowing the plants, causing their stems to become much stronger. Hell I know I'll need the strength, especially when these WWxBB colas come along . Watering has changed a bit as well. It was nutrient feeding, non-nutrient feeding, nutrient feeding, and a last non-nutrient feeding. Nutrients are at 1/2 TSP per gallon of water. It now goes non-nurtrient feeding in the morning, nutrient feeding at lunch time, and non-nutrient feeding before bed.



So below are pictures of number one. The leaves on every of the three plants was most definitely heat burn. I had the lamp at 11 inches set at 400 Watts, and it caused the first leaves (leaves of three) to slowly curl upward and inward. It did so because the plant was trying to preserve as much moisture as it could. The leaves of three, and SLIGHTLY the leaves of five have the heat burn on it. I know the three leaves are done for, as they are crisp, breaking off, and slowly converting from green to brown. The leaves of five were damaged slightly, only due to the fact that when the leaves of five were growing at the top a few days ago the lamp was STILL at 11 inches >.<. But as you all can see, the stretching is not a concern along with no more burn now that the light is at 21 inches exactly above both the tallest of the three (their new growths). What do you guys think of number one ? Tip of the new growth marks her at 6 inches tall ^_~. Her leaves of seven are coming in great, except I am noticing a mutant leaf again. Most definitely will continue to occur with the plant, as its genetics did so with her leaves of three. One leaf had three, and the opposite had two leaves. I can see that this will be a seven leaf, and a six leaf. Can you guys spot it ;p?



Below here we have number two. Her leaves of three, as well as slightly on leaves of five, are also damaged slightly be heat. Possible that I lifted the light to 21 inches from 11 inches quick enough to MAYBE have saved her leaves of three unlike I could with number one. Number one leaves of three were more grown than number two's, so that could have made a difference as well. As you can see in all of the plants though, raising the light as you all recommended had caused nothing but fresh perfect growths to come along. Her leaves of seven, along with her nodes, are all big and healthy. I am completely impressed with the light. The nodes are so tall on number one and two. Just in general, even though its still early, the plants are SO much more healthy and green and lush with this lamp. Beats the HELL out of two for $1.00 Energy Saver CFL's XD! The new growth also marks her in at 6 inches tall ! The slight yellowing on the leaves looks like it would be nutrient burn, but that yellow will soon be more dry and brown all due to too much heat.



Below is the ugly duckling. Since the light has raised, no burn has occurred like it did it its single leaves. Height is currently barely over two inches. Will most definitely be shorter than the other two, but still turning out healthy and awesome .



Well the last three photo's have not shown up. So posting and editing XD.

What did you all think? My plant is two veg until they are 20 to 24 inches tall. What do you guys feel is better? I saw someone only vegged this strain three weeks, and flowered them for seven weeks was thinking about going 8. I heard its best for 9 weeks for flowering, and at least a month of vegging for WW x BB. Thanks everyone, can;t wait to chit chat .

-Ocho2

just depends on how big you want them, i vegged one plant for about a month maybe longer and it would of taken up your entire grow corner, since you have multiple plants id just wait till there r 20 inches and start to flower, if you r going to top or FIM or even just a little LST you could go longer on veg, you will just have to control your huge plants haha looking good tho ocho!

hattowndank said:

just depends on how big you want them, i vegged one plant for about a month maybe longer and it would of taken up your entire grow corner, since you have multiple plants id just wait till there r 20 inches and start to flower, if you r going to top or FIM or even just a little LST you could go longer on veg, you will just have to control your huge plants haha looking good tho ocho!

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Yeah I think I am just going to top all three of them. But I know it's important to do when they are young. I have heard mixed opinions about it though. The fourth node...three weeks into vegging..what do you think?

Thanks hattown and everyone

-Ocho2

Sound about right, do it too late and it slows it down....rw

I go 4th node since thats more important than time. then a 2nd topping I do as soon as I can safely get it, which is around 10 days after. I wouldnt top more than twice.

Well hello everyone . Time for an update.

So, rather than pointing the plants on one by one, I am going to compile the pictures at once.

My temperature is 75F, and a stable 39-40% humidity. The 400 Watt lamp remains, and will continue to remain at 21 inches. I notice a bit of leaf curling, but not too sure what it is. The lamp is up, and I am not over watering XD.

The nodes are really healthy, and I am unsure if I should top or not. I don't know if there will be enough room, due to the fact that topping turns them into giant bush's and the closet is not that big >.<. What do you guys think? Should I just grow straight up, seeing there is 8 feet up there? Or should I try different things on different plants?

Currently at 24-0 lighting, and has been since the sprouts broke the soil on 4-8-12. I know vegging doesn't start until its first leaves, so my guess is I am two weeks in Vegging. Aiming for 20 - 24 inches and then flipping the lights.

Remember that mutant leaf on number 1? Its was a three leaf, and the other three leaf was a two and missing one leaf? Well in a picture here, you'll see that a seven leaf is a seven and a six. XD

I was reading on threads for ww x bb, and the plants are MASSIVE. With and without and different growing techniques. I hope you all enjoy, and input helps a lot .

I would definitely top them if you plan to veg them that tall.

The curling leaves are an indicator of something for sure, I just don't know what as I've never had it or had to look it up.

Hey ocho, i had the EXACT same problem with leaf curling on the edges of my fan leaves in my ww x bb journal, im sure you saw it. From my research on the web it was caused by a non-oscilating fan removing moisture from the leaves faster than they can replace it. I added a cheap honeywell humidifier to my room and it never came back. Infected fan leaves will not turn back to normal even though the problem was fixed.

About the topping, i usually stick to fim'ing since i believe it causes less stress, they recover faster in my experience with the strain(i topped 1 wwxbb and fim'd 2 others, the fim'd ones bounced back very quick) and finally usually produces more tops than just topping. You have plenty of room for 4 nice big bushy plants. The stretch on this strain is amazing during the first 3 weeks of flowering my plants went from 12'' to over 4 feet tall once i harvested. I flowered at 12 inches. Although remember the 400w can only penetrate so deep into a canopy, so dont make them overly tall, short and bushy is the way to go with a 400 in my experience with it since 2007 when i first started growing. Anything lower than 20 inches from the tops of the plant is basically getting no light. So height really shouldnt be your focus. Your focus should be getting as many tops as humanly possible before you flip to flowering

I'm here for the ride now, i dont have many subs so ill be active here while you update. Good luck man, this smoke was hands down some of the best shit ive smoked in 5 years.


edit: also i read you are on 24/7 light cycle, please do me a favor and switch to 18/6 so you can see for yourself the dark period is a god send. This plant needs a break sometimes, and it uses the dark cycle to increase root structure and spend all the sugars in the warehouse. More roots = bigger plant = more BUDS. Yeeeeeee

RL420 said:

Hey ocho, i had the EXACT same problem with leaf curling on the edges of my fan leaves in my ww x bb journal, im sure you saw it. From my research on the web it was caused by a non-oscilating fan removing moisture from the leaves faster than they can replace it. I added a cheap honeywell humidifier to my room and it never came back. Infected fan leaves will not turn back to normal even though the problem was fixed.

About the topping, i usually stick to fim'ing since i believe it causes less stress, they recover faster in my experience with the strain(i topped 1 wwxbb and fim'd 2 others, the fim'd ones bounced back very quick) and finally usually produces more tops than just topping. You have plenty of room for 4 nice big bushy plants. The stretch on this strain is amazing during the first 3 weeks of flowering my plants went from 12'' to over 4 feet tall once i harvested. I flowered at 12 inches. Although remember the 400w can only penetrate so deep into a canopy, so dont make them overly tall, short and bushy is the way to go with a 400 in my experience with it since 2007 when i first started growing. Anything lower than 20 inches from the tops of the plant is basically getting no light. So height really shouldnt be your focus. Your focus should be getting as many tops as humanly possible before you flip to flowering

I'm here for the ride now, i dont have many subs so ill be active here while you update. Good luck man, this smoke was hands down some of the best shit ive smoked in 5 years.


edit: also i read you are on 24/7 light cycle, please do me a favor and switch to 18/6 so you can see for yourself the dark period is a god send. This plant needs a break sometimes, and it uses the dark cycle to increase root structure and spend all the sugars in the warehouse. More roots = bigger plant = more BUDS. Yeeeeeee

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Awesome RL, I am glad I messaged you. +Rep, and thanks for following

So when exactly should I FIM them? I have never FIM'ed or anything, so advice and pointers will help. Along with that I will be sure to find a video and information on it.

I am actually breaking open this timer right now, and I'll set the lights to 18/6.

I have a honeywell fan blowing in cool air from the hall way. Maybe flipping it and putting it inside to blow out instead?

Thanks so much everyone and RL !

-Ocho2

Blow air out imo, never put direct fans on your plants for long periods of time, if you put the fan on the timer strip thats ok since it will be off for 6 hours.

There is a ton of FIM'ing on youtube, and people actually doing it in front of you so go that route. I would fim now if those were my plants. +rep for rep

Hello again everyone, figured i would do a quick update.

Though it is 4am, the lights are back on and I decided to go in and FIM number one and number two. The leaves are no longer curling since I lifted the light days ago, and the only to the first leaves are all that got damaged.

I want to know if for my first two FIMs, if I did it alright. Looks like exactly as the videos show.

Now to see what happens next :3!

Thank you everyone, and Ill wait a few days dor the next large update so they can recover and change more .

-Ocho2

yeah dude perfect, great job. Those first couple sets of fan leaves will look a little weird but it does the job slowing the plant down so side shoots can catch up. Less stress aswel!

RL420 said:

yeah dude perfect, great job. Those first couple sets of fan leaves will look a little weird but it does the job slowing the plant down so side shoots can catch up. Less stress aswel!

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Awesome. I was worried I didn't do it right >.<. The one on number two is shorter than the other, buy the fans are still there. I would cut the other shorter, but I figured that too much stress is not good.

I am relieved, and anxiously awaiting them to change and my other Attitude order to arrive. Has taken longer than before, but they say a few weeks sometimes. Made two orders on 4/20 .

Now to figure out what I should to with the ugly duckling of the group. Last seed to germinate, and the smallest plant. I wonder if I should let her grow as is, or FIM her when she gets up to five nodes. I'll throw in some pictures below here.

Pictures are of the little one, the grow, and the shockingly large long healthy nodes below. I am astonished though. I never used a light like this, and I have never seen these awesome nodes on any plant I have ever grown. Kind of mind blowing. Also, I am super impressed with Coco-Tek. Can't wait to hear back from all of you !

Thanks RL420 and everyone .

-Ocho2

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Also, I read a lot that WW x BB was prone to stretching. I noticed when they were seedlings the stretched a couple of inches before their first leaves, but then stopped stretching. Maybe because at the time my light was so low? Because now it is still at 21 inches, and they aren't reaching at all.

Also, I know that the growth in flowering is extreme. Do you all thing 20 to 24 inches before triggering flowering is good?

Thanks again everyone

-Ocho2

I flowered at 12 inches. Heres a good comparison for this plants flowering stretch. If i had a chance to do it over again i prolly would have vegged longer than 29 days. Maybe 40. I also have 9 feet of space like you too.


Day 1 Flowering.



Day 54 flowering. At least 3-3 1/2 feet from cola to netpot

I never tire of looking at these RL420, so badass. I hope mine look like that when they finish.

your plants are looking great Ocho, I think your gonna have some big plants on your hands if you flower at 24". But I'm no expert so don't hold me to that.

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RL420 said:

I flowered at 12 inches. Heres a good comparison for this plants flowering stretch. If i had a chance to do it over again i prolly would have vegged longer than 29 days. Maybe 40. I also have 9 feet of space like you too.


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Thanks RL and K3N. Now on your plant RL, did you FIM more than once? Or does it only take one time? If you FIM multiple times is it just on newer nodes or what?

When you started flowering at 12 inches, what height did that plant get to? Its amazing looking.

I just hope 4x2x9 is enough room xD. Thanks everyone. Input is greatly appreciated :3

-Ocho2

sorry i ment to put the end height in my post, now that i look at it i didnt. But they ended up being 40-45 inches tall top bud to netpot

I only fim'd once since i didnt want to do it again so close to flipping to flowering, you can fim all day and get tons of tops as long as you give them enough time to recover before flipping to 12/12. Never introduce a stressed plant into flowering, itll cut yield a lot imo.