Sessions: I'm Shutting Down Colorado

tangerinegreen555

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.I don't see any real exaggeration in the basic argument and facts:

4. This admin is unpredictable and doesn't abide by conventional political wisdom. Actions speak louder than words; Obama said he wouldn't go after marijuana but had more raids in his 1st term than Bush did in 2 terms. Verifiably True.
How many legal states were there during Bush's term that ended in Jan. 2009?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i don't have any problem with people who know how to make a lot of money. if thats your goal in life, as long as you attain it ethically, more power to you.
i have a huge problem with a government that enables people to make that money unethically, and keep more of it than they should be able to. i've been in favor of a real flat tax for years, and no fucking tax returns at all, to anyone, ever. the tax rate for EVERYONE should be the same, say 10% just to keep it simple, no matter whether you make 10 K a year or 100 million, you pay 10%. no breaks, no cuts, no shit.
if you make under a certain amount, you don't pay taxes, theres your "tax return".
lawyers sole job is to make all business so complicated you need them to understand whats going on. none of this shit is complicated, they just make it that way. get rid of the lawyers, get rid of the bullshit....get rid of rich fuckers using their office to make their rich fuck friends richer fucks
 

schuylaar

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You do know that the vast majority of older people in America never attain this level of financial independence, right?

And how are you supposed to save anything at all if you work a minimum wage job? You can't afford rent and food, let alone savings!

The wealthy in this country earn $500k+ per year and have a net worth of many times that. The ultra rich- .01%, or 1 in 10,000, earn nearly $30 million annually, yet these groups pay LESS tax than people making $50k/yr!

The top 10% now make over half of all the income earned and own well over 90% of all the wealth. That doesn't leave much for middle class folks (what's left of them) to retire on.

The American Dream has been crushed under the weight of corporate subsidies, giveaways, tax breaks and wage cuts- all of which are taken from the rest of us.

That's why the vast majority of older people in America are destitute.

It doesn't need to be this way. The rest of the developed world doesn't work like this and America shouldn't either.
:clap: +rep
 

ANC

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Quality free education is the only way to free the currently poor. There is no reason someone should expect to earn a good living filling shopping bags at the mall. That being said, a path of education is its own way of upliftment.
 

schuylaar

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Now for the hard part; how to go about fixing all this? I think we go after Citizens United first, by any means necessary.
I have thought about this over and over and over again..we require two things from our politicians:

  1. Accountability
  2. Outlaw Lobby/Reform

Politics will become unappealing to those except those who are straight shooters like Sanders.

And FTW..I'm not certain how I feel about the 'unity tour'..it's too soon. It's like someone died when the left lost the election. I don't trust Perez. I'm concerned he's going through the moves to get Sanders' donor list. It 'feels' all wrong, actually and it's been bothering me..if that means anything.

Even though Sanders is a big part of the death and wish it didn't happen, I feel differently about him and things now.

If these other two things above are done everything else will fall into place.
 
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schuylaar

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i don't have any problem with people who know how to make a lot of money. if thats your goal in life, as long as you attain it ethically, more power to you.
i have a huge problem with a government that enables people to make that money unethically, and keep more of it than they should be able to. i've been in favor of a real flat tax for years, and no fucking tax returns at all, to anyone, ever. the tax rate for EVERYONE should be the same, say 10% just to keep it simple, no matter whether you make 10 K a year or 100 million, you pay 10%. no breaks, no cuts, no shit.
if you make under a certain amount, you don't pay taxes, theres your "tax return".
lawyers sole job is to make all business so complicated you need them to understand whats going on. none of this shit is complicated, they just make it that way. get rid of the lawyers, get rid of the bullshit....get rid of rich fuckers using their office to make their rich fuck friends richer fucks
Flat tax wouldn't work because it costs $30k to live/breathe. So if you tax at 10% you've just reduced them to $27k and now they can't live/breathe.

The same 10% on someone who makes $30M would leave them with $27M to live on and completely doable.

Currently, those who earn $12k or less is non taxable, can live large and spend it on anything they wish..anything!

I use my office as a deduction and I'm far from wealthy.
 

CannaBruh

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How long did the dems have the branches?

When was the first legislation of ACA introduced?

When was this said?:
Why would it matter when, or what Mitch said... you missed my point, in that the Dems largely wanted healthcare, and they had one hell of a time making backroom deals just to squeak it through (without reading it remember) with control of congress and the whitehouse.

But you think that the Repubs will have some easy street to repeal land? Why haven't they repealed Obamacare yet?
 

CannaBruh

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There's a long list of fallacies in most any college level composition reading, read the article again while scanning that list and see if anything sticks out.

Not one text of science is written with that kind of flamboyance and attitude.. let alone the basis to stem some thread titled "shutting down Colorado"
 

schuylaar

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Why would it matter when, or what Mitch said... you missed my point, in that the Dems largely wanted healthcare, and they had one hell of a time making backroom deals just to squeak it through (without reading it remember) with control of congress and the whitehouse.

But you think that the Repubs will have some easy street to repeal land? Why haven't they repealed Obamacare yet?
Doom and gloom attitude are a sure street to defeat..
There's a long list of fallacies in most any college level composition reading, read the article again while scanning that list and see if anything sticks out.

Not one text of science is written with that kind of flamboyance and attitude.. let alone the basis to stem some thread titled "shutting down Colorado"
It doesn't work this way. You've made a claim of fallacy in the article..cite it.

Additionally, you need to answer my questions first because I asked first..when you do that, I will answer yours.
 

schuylaar

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We're being priced out of everything..I wonder if we're destined to become a 'tiny' society?

Similar to Japan but not because of space shortage- wage shortage.

The age of McMansion rapidly defunct..those with are taking to roommates to share/shift the burden on the rise.

Getting used to 350-650sqft? How hard could it be? How intoxicating to be free of mortgages etc?

If they are not willing, the deep dive will be the dollar and their (MOP) existence ultimately.

The forced political chemotherapy that someone had mentioned..
 
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fdd2blk

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We're being priced out of everything..I wonder if we're destined to become a 'tiny' society?

Similar to Japan but not because of space shortage- wage shortage.

The age of McMansion rapidly defunct..those with are taking to roommates to share/shift the burden on the rise.

Getting used to 350-650sqft? How hard could it be? How intoxicating to be free of mortgages etc?

If they are not willing, the deep dive will be the dollar their existence untimately.

The forced chemotherapy..are you thinking what I'm thinking?:wink:
As if you pay a mortgage.
 

CannaBruh

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Ad hominem, cited in my first reply regarding the article, the list goes on and on....had you actually given consideration to what I had typed you would have known and not need to ask.. (two of you asked, did you even read what I wrote?)

You want to make this argument somehow about what I think is fallacy or not.... I'm out, my only point was stating that the article in noway supports the flamboyancy of this thread title. That is all.


.....that is unless someone spots Sessions at the award ceremony today
 

Rooster802

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You do know that the vast majority of older people in America never attain this level of financial independence, right?

And how are you supposed to save anything at all if you work a minimum wage job? You can't afford rent and food, let alone savings!

The wealthy in this country earn $500k+ per year and have a net worth of many times that. The ultra rich- .01%, or 1 in 10,000, earn nearly $30 million annually, yet these groups pay LESS tax than people making $50k/yr!

The top 10% now make over half of all the income earned and own well over 90% of all the wealth. That doesn't leave much for middle class folks (what's left of them) to retire on.

The American Dream has been crushed under the weight of corporate subsidies, giveaways, tax breaks and wage cuts- all of which are taken from the rest of us.

That's why the vast majority of older people in America are destitute.

It doesn't need to be this way. The rest of the developed world doesn't work like this and America shouldn't either.
Yes, exactly! But the vast majority of older people are destitute because they don't understand money and financial wellness is not taught anywhere in public education. Its really easy to save a little, invest that little, and watch compound interest turn you into a millionaire over the course of 40 years. REALLY REALLY EASY. With Bernie in charge, maybe we could have fixed our education system so that it taught relevant information to our kids? Like financial health, the law of the land, what really works in a job interview, etc. Poverty in this country is just like obesity in this country, the wealthy blame the poor for being poor, and the fat for being fat. But its our education system, our failed corrupt governmental regulatory agencies that aren't doing their jobs, and a system perpetuated by those who are gaining off he current establishment. Fat people aren't lazy or glutinous (most of them anyway), but instead are ignorant of how food works in their bodies and are sick because of the toxins that are everywhere. Poor people are also ignorant about compound interest. And as Americans we live in this belief that "we are the good guys" and the government "is going to take care of me." Well, people, that is bullshit. Until everything in our society that has been steadily manipulated to make "the people" working drones that don't question authority has been broken down and rebuilt correctly, at least 65% of your public school graduates are going to struggle. Unnecessarily. And that is why I hate this government (for the last hundred years, with the exception of FDR and JFK).
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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You do know that the vast majority of older people in America never attain this level of financial independence, right?

And how are you supposed to save anything at all if you work a minimum wage job? You can't afford rent and food, let alone savings!

The wealthy in this country earn $500k+ per year and have a net worth of many times that. The ultra rich- .01%, or 1 in 10,000, earn nearly $30 million annually, yet these groups pay LESS tax than people making $50k/yr!

The top 10% now make over half of all the income earned and own well over 90% of all the wealth. That doesn't leave much for middle class folks (what's left of them) to retire on.

The American Dream has been crushed under the weight of corporate subsidies, giveaways, tax breaks and wage cuts- all of which are taken from the rest of us.

That's why the vast majority of older people in America are destitute.

It doesn't need to be this way. The rest of the developed world doesn't work like this and America shouldn't either.
i live in a tourist town. the majority of jobs here pay shit wages. i know people ( i was one of them for a long time) who live on less than 20K a year, and have forever. they HAVE to have room mates. one person can't afford rent on their own. if they have a kid, it costs too much to pay for child care for one of them to work, its not worth it when you make 8 or 9 dollars an hour and have to pay 5 or 6 for a babysitter. since the tax changes a few years ago, the large employers in the area won't give anyone but management full time, you will average under 30 hours a week yearly, so they don't have to pay you any benefits. they will work you 50 hours a week when its busy, then when the season is over you get 10 hours a week to keep that average under 30 for the year.
people lose perspective sometimes. i get to see very wealthy people and very poor people all day every day, and their lives are depressingly similar.
rich people spend all day working to hang on to what they have, and get more. most of them have very little time to spend enjoying anything, they get up and start running errands and attending meetings, making and taking phone calls till they go home and collapse in bed.
poor people get up and go to work, and worry about paying the bills, worrying about what will happen to their families if they get sick or injured, worrying about the price of rent, and groceries, and utilities, and what happens if the pos car breaks down and they have to get up an hour earlier every day to walk to work.
so just remember...life sucks....having more bread doesn't mean you don't eat shit, you just eat it out of a crouquette instead of a wonder bread sammich...wonder if that makes it taste any better?
 

schuylaar

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Ad hominem, cited in my first reply regarding the article, the list goes on and on....had you actually given consideration to what I had typed you would have known and not need to ask.. (two of you asked, did you even read what I wrote?)

You want to make this argument somehow about what I think is fallacy or not.... I'm out, my only point was stating that the article in noway supports the flamboyancy of this thread title. That is all.


.....that is unless someone spots Sessions at the award ceremony today
There was no list just generalization.
 

schuylaar

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i live in a tourist town. the majority of jobs here pay shit wages. i know people ( i was one of them for a long time) who live on less than 20K a year, and have forever. they HAVE to have room mates. one person can't afford rent on their own. if they have a kid, it costs too much to pay for child care for one of them to work, its not worth it when you make 8 or 9 dollars an hour and have to pay 5 or 6 for a babysitter. since the tax changes a few years ago, the large employers in the area won't give anyone but management full time, you will average under 30 hours a week yearly, so they don't have to pay you any benefits. they will work you 50 hours a week when its busy, then when the season is over you get 10 hours a week to keep that average under 30 for the year.
people lose perspective sometimes. i get to see very wealthy people and very poor people all day every day, and their lives are depressingly similar.
rich people spend all day working to hang on to what they have, and get more. most of them have very little time to spend enjoying anything, they get up and start running errands and attending meetings, making and taking phone calls till they go home and collapse in bed.
poor people get up and go to work, and worry about paying the bills, worrying about what will happen to their families if they get sick or injured, worrying about the price of rent, and groceries, and utilities, and what happens if the pos car breaks down and they have to get up an hour earlier every day to walk to work.
so just remember...life sucks....having more bread doesn't mean you don't eat shit, you just eat it out of a crouquette instead of a wonder bread sammich...wonder if that makes it taste any better?
Money is a powerful condiment in the sandwich of life. You can't be without it. If you are lucky enough to have a choice, I'd rather be the one that collapses into bed after the meetings and calls, though..it's no fun to live on $8 or $9.

I've done both and freely choose the former rather than the latter.
 

fdd2blk

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Money is a powerful condiment in the sandwich of life. You can't be without it. If you are lucky enough to have a choice, I'd rather be the one that collapses into bed after the meetings and calls, though..it's no fun to live on $8 or $9.

I've done both and freely choose the former rather than the latter.

A year ago you were saying the exact opposite thing. You claimed you'd NEVER work for corporate America again. Said you'd rather be on welfare.
 

CannaBruh

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There was no list just generalization.
Generalization should suffice for anyone reading with any objectivity, but for those willing something horrible to happen I can appreciate how it might have inspired a sky is falling thread to be generated.
 
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