That's what worries me too, the same economic damage to him, is even worse to the average Russian. And if you want to see a society do do something really ugly, starve their people. Should we survive this period without nukes, it may very well be the treaty of versailles equivalent that kicks off something much worse down the road.Well, it depends on your viewpoint.
Putin will win this battle but he will lose the war
That's inevitable.
He won't survive the economic damage.
Fucking impossible
Should the US shed blood for Ukraine
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would like that.
This is where we need the dual laugh/cry emoticon.
rkymtnman
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i'm about 90% sure that our gov't had the same policy with trump after he realized he lost the election.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I think General Mark Milley said so.
auswolf
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An Iranian woman, symbolically dressed up as a victim of death by stoning, takes part in a protest of the National Council of Resistance of Iran outside a European Union foreign ministers meeting in Brussels, November 7, 2005. Amnesty International on Tuesday called on Iran to abolish the ''grotesque and horrific'' practice of stoning people to death.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You should have disclosed that. Uncaptioned that is troll crap.
Jimdamick
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I still don't get it.
What the fuck is Putin's end game.?
What the fuck could possibly be worth the cost of his war?
Anyone got any ideas?
I think there is only one thing that makes sense to me.
He's a fucking deranged psychopath
He really is.
Then it makes sense
Where the fuck does Russia find all these dicks?
One dick after another since the Revolution, but this boyo is on his way to making Stalin seem OK.
That is terrifying.
What the fuck is Putin's end game.?
What the fuck could possibly be worth the cost of his war?
Anyone got any ideas?
I think there is only one thing that makes sense to me.
He's a fucking deranged psychopath
He really is.
Then it makes sense
Where the fuck does Russia find all these dicks?
One dick after another since the Revolution, but this boyo is on his way to making Stalin seem OK.
That is terrifying.
Jimdamick
Well-Known Member
Yea sure
pure shit Photoshop
Fogdog
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I've read reports saying US officials were surprised at how well Ukraine's defense forces have held up. So, yeah, the US decided ahead of time that Ukraine was not worth risking nuclear war by directly engaging the fight on Ukrainian soil.Yes where there is a will, there is a way. So after Russia conquered all of Ukraine, we can conclude Putin succeeded because a lack of will in the west. The west is scared of WW3, scared of Putin’s nukes and damage to their own economies or worse. Which they probably should be, but if that’s the case, is it not really dumb to let him expand his territory by taking Ukraine? More space to park nukes, just like Belarus. Will letting Putin take Ukraine actually make it less likely we’ll end up fighting Russia anyway?
Putin just said any country trying to impose no-fly zone will be considered participating in the conflict, also oil sanctions = war declaration. Uhm… Russian president, fuck off?
Anyway, this is a must-read:
Why the cavalry isn't coming to Ukraine's side | CNN
Marcus Mabry writes that the practice of realpolitik does not consider the morality of allowing a smaller country to be swallowed by a larger one, or a democratic one to be crushed by an authoritarian one. But that is the whole point of realpolitik.edition.cnn.com
“To put the current state of international affairs in the most terribly brutal realpolitik terms: Is Ukraine worth the possibility of involving the United States and Russia, two nuclear powers that could destroy human life on earth, in a shooting war? And are the risks to their citizens and the world worth keeping Putin out of Ukraine?
These questions do not consider the morality of allowing a smaller country to be swallowed by a larger one, or a democratic one to be crushed by an authoritarian one. But that is the whole point of realpolitik.”
Also interesting is the part where the author suggests Biden signalled his adversery how far he can’t and thus can go by saying he won’t send in troops. If it’s already decided Putin can take Ukraine without interference of the only one (NATO) who could stop him, the blue-yellow structures all over the world are even more nauseating. The eagerness and record breaking fast decisions of the EU to send weapons is fueled by the idea Ukrainians can buy them time, not because they believe the Ukraine can win.
Realpolitik works on the assumption both sides are rational, which Putin doesn’t seem to be. How crazy must Putin act before we stop hiding behind one-directional rationality and do the right thing.
Biden has said the US will not send troops or our own pilots into Ukraine. Is he willing to watch the democracy of Ukraine die under a Russian invasion? From what he is saying, one would conclude he is. Before the invasion, the US sent 2 billion dollars worth of defense hardware and I just finished listening to Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby's news briefing from yesterday. He said they are communicating with Ukraine's defense officials, taking orders and filling them with urgent speed.
Why is this all about the US? I don't think there is anything that would stop an EU country from unilaterally sending their own. Is there? Article 5 would still be in place so, there would have to be some sort of agreement to avoid dragging the alliance into it should Russia retaliate. But hey, France or Germany, you wear big boy pants too.
Fogdog
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isn't it time we stop generalizing from the actions of some to entire populations? I should have said "Iranian government" rather than "Iran". djumbo jumped at my error and used it to deflect. In you post, you are talking about radical Islamists, not the people of Iran. That kind of crap doesn't even stop at the borders of Iran. But not everybody in Iran are like that.
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Bagginski
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CunningCanuk
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Letting a nuclear reactor go into a meltdown would have quite an impact. I would imagine that to be an easy thing to do.
CunningCanuk
Well-Known Member
They haven’t told him to fuck off yet.
Bagginski
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Super easy, if you have one
(No, no instructions)
CunningCanuk
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Question asked and answered.
Sativied
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Yes the many experts expressing surprise clearly show they expected a very different outcome.
I reread my post to see where I implied it is “all about the US” but see I mentioned NATO, EU and Biden. What you said about US and Biden applies to NATO/EU/the west/the A-Team. They all decided Ukraine is not worth risking nuclear war, their own existence. They all believe not interfering and letting Putin threaten them will prevent them from triggering nuclear WWIII and hope he’ll stop once he has Ukraine. I think none of them questions a unilateral approach in dealing with Russia and its 6k nukes, above all for the same reasons NATO/US/EU/the west doesn’t interfere directly.
Not passing judgment, just very conflicted and curious what others think/feel. I don’t envy anyone in charge and without a terminal cancer diagnose caused by Russian radiation I won’t be driving to Ukraine myself either. (fuckers better not miss if they nuke me lol).
Fogdog
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There is a saying in the US when a conflicted white man triggers over a sweeping statement about racist white men.
The dog that is hit howls.
I howled, didn't I? You didn't mention the US in particular and I wasn't really talking about your post when I said it.
Budley Doright
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Perhaps as this war is prolonged by giving support through arms, the longer Putin has to worry about his own people’s persecution of the war. Just maybe that is the endgame for the supply of weapons that will not change the outcome but in fact cause more death and destruction. The people pay the price for a goal of prolonging a conventional war. Or on the other hand it may have the reverse effect and strengthen the propaganda machine of the Russian regime, they are good at it as witnessed 
! I keep going back to Fog’s question of “how many babies” 
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! I keep going back to Fog’s question of “how many babies” .