Since this could help all the growers in Az
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HB DC
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Well to say this will be over in a week would be a lie...
We must wait FIRST for the Emergency hearing which we are asking for an injunction against the 25 mile prohibition. (This will be for ALL patients in AZ NOT just us) Whether it is granted or denied we will begin the lawsuit once the State Answers to the claim. The whole lawsuit could take a few months to a year until it is complete. I have NO clue. We are hoping the injunction will be granted through the course of the lawsuit.
Anyone have have questions...
Read the lawsuit! Many of the answers are there. It is 17 pages long (double spaced too).
If you can not take the time to do that then this issue is not a big deal to you.
Either way this case will have its effect on all patients/caregivers.
The Full Complaint - http://forum.hydrobreed.com/NO25MileRuleAZ/August 16, 2013 (4).pdf
We must wait FIRST for the Emergency hearing which we are asking for an injunction against the 25 mile prohibition. (This will be for ALL patients in AZ NOT just us) Whether it is granted or denied we will begin the lawsuit once the State Answers to the claim. The whole lawsuit could take a few months to a year until it is complete. I have NO clue. We are hoping the injunction will be granted through the course of the lawsuit.
Anyone have have questions...
Read the lawsuit! Many of the answers are there. It is 17 pages long (double spaced too).
If you can not take the time to do that then this issue is not a big deal to you.
Either way this case will have its effect on all patients/caregivers.
The Full Complaint - http://forum.hydrobreed.com/NO25MileRuleAZ/August 16, 2013 (4).pdf
thecoolman
New Member
HB DC you better bring this guy on board. I would definitely help with the costs...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=safvzottzZo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=safvzottzZo
AvonBarksdale
Active Member
Wow, are you this much of an optimist in real life?
thecoolman
New Member
Actually I felt bad after posting it since I do repect what hbdc is doing so I deleted it a minute after posting it
You must of been right on it though. With that being said I have been around this town awhile and am familiar with the attorney.
HB DC
Active Member
We are moving right along with the lawsuit! Huurraay!! From 08-15-13 the State/Department has 20 days (not sure if it is business days or calendar days) to file a response to our claim. The judge will review the facts and decide if granting an injunction is needed. Which we are certain it will be granted or at least have high hopes it will be granted! Where we are today in this battle is very important to getting on the surface of the water and staying afloat.
Need help with written and/or in-person testimony...
We are looking for anyone or many people with knowledge of growing, costs of growing, info on crop failure, notes, start up costs, costs per month, costs per ounce, so on... You can either help in the form of a written testimony or in person testimony. If you would like to help with either written or in person testimony please get in contact with me at [email protected] | Anyone that wants to help with in person testimony will need to go down to our legal teams office and go over things prior to any and all hearing we will need you in.
If you know someone that would be interested in helping the cause pass the information along!
Can't help with testimony....
You can help by contributing to the cause. We are in need of quite a bit of support! We have already given the legal team $10k and we are excepting a $5k contribution within the next week. Please show your support by contributing to the lawsuit. If you can't contribute be sure to share it with your friends and family.
DONATE - https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/9YHH9
Thanks AZ
Need help with written and/or in-person testimony...
We are looking for anyone or many people with knowledge of growing, costs of growing, info on crop failure, notes, start up costs, costs per month, costs per ounce, so on... You can either help in the form of a written testimony or in person testimony. If you would like to help with either written or in person testimony please get in contact with me at [email protected] | Anyone that wants to help with in person testimony will need to go down to our legal teams office and go over things prior to any and all hearing we will need you in.
If you know someone that would be interested in helping the cause pass the information along!
Can't help with testimony....
You can help by contributing to the cause. We are in need of quite a bit of support! We have already given the legal team $10k and we are excepting a $5k contribution within the next week. Please show your support by contributing to the lawsuit. If you can't contribute be sure to share it with your friends and family.
DONATE - https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/9YHH9
Thanks AZ
str8sativa
Well-Known Member
why does the cost per ounce and what not have to go into testimony? to show its far cheaper to grow your own?
HB DC
Active Member
You are correct! You hit the nail on the head... We need proof that we are able to produce medicine cheaper than the $250-450 an ounce which is about what dispensaries are charging. ($250 has been the cheapest I have personally seen out there and $450 is the most I have seen medicine listed for)
Crop failure is also part on producing your own medicine. think about this for one second... Crop failure happens due to many reasons and sometimes by accident. This needs to go into account to the whole equation. the reason why all this information is critical is because being able to provide for your own health is not cheap and this is not something that can happen over night. It is a whole process and an expense. Not to mention time consuming ( 3-4 months to get flowers). In between you have to acquire hands-on training or learning to be successful. For nearly 2 years the Department failed to give patients safe access to their medicine and forced patient to cultivate their own. So the burden of providing for our own health was forced upon us even though there was a Program in place that was to provide for patients. Well we all know what happened there... They failed and forced over 30k patients to acquire their medicine through home cultivation or from another cardholder But where were the other cardholders to get the medicine to provide to others? Huh Catch 22. Home cultivation is the only solution. Which in itself has its ups and downs. Not everyone is a grower - always keep that in mind! Most patients devoted their time and resources to providing for their own health. Now the AzDHS wants to force patients to participate in the AzDHS ran Dispensary healthcare system which is permitted NOT licensed and cease all home cultivation simply for living within 25 miles of an operating dispensary.! (Permitted not licensed)(Permitted NOT licensed)(important) So here we are today....
Keep AZ Growing est. 2013
compassionatecaregiver
Member
I imagine you already thought of this but I just wanted to point out another topic to mention is the quality. When you mention the $250 ounces at the dispensary, you should also explain that even the average beginning home grower will produce meds that are far FAR better than the crap that the dispensary has for 250, even on their first grow. The quality of a bud is largely an opinion so I'm not sure how you easy it would be to prove this to the court, but the quality of low-priced dispensary bud is pretty much universally held as horrid
HB DC
Active Member
Credible testimony to those facts would be superb! We went into some details about the quality of the medicine in dispensaries!
fatboyOGOF
Well-Known Member
i'm reading the dhs newsletter.
they are telling us to be very careful how we injest pot and they say this to people in old folks homes:
Housing facilities (like nursing homes and hospices) can place reasonable restrictions on residents’ use of medical marijuana. This includes requiring that marijuana be taken in a way other than smoking.
lol
i did less paperwork and jumped through fewer hoops to get a secret clearance in the military than i'll have to do to get my card renewed.
they hate us.
they shit on us.
they will drag this nonsense out for years if not decades.
and they know there isn't a fucking thing we can do about it.
they are telling us to be very careful how we injest pot and they say this to people in old folks homes:
Housing facilities (like nursing homes and hospices) can place reasonable restrictions on residents’ use of medical marijuana. This includes requiring that marijuana be taken in a way other than smoking.
lol
i did less paperwork and jumped through fewer hoops to get a secret clearance in the military than i'll have to do to get my card renewed.
they hate us.
they shit on us.
they will drag this nonsense out for years if not decades.
and they know there isn't a fucking thing we can do about it.
You can't smoke the "usable marijuana" (whatevrr the fuck that means) and your can't have resin based edibles (which all effective edibles essentially are) or tinctures and most certainly can't vape resin based concentrates. Nothing like going after the sick and infirmed who can't care for themselves not to mention a group which would benefit greatly from medical marijuana instead of the opiates, mood stabilizers, ssris, anti nausea, barbituates and other countless prescription poisins.
a real class act our health director is.
hydrogregg
Active Member
did the court give you a date for an answer yet?
HB DC
Active Member
UPDATE:
25 MILE RULE LAWSUIT:
Phoenix: (09-06-13) The Defendants will be represented by the usually Gregory Falls of Sherman & Howard Law Firm of Phoenix.
The Defendants have filed a Motion to Dismiss.
There are no calendar events on file for the case but will keep everyone up to date…
Until then please help us with any contributions to fight this case.
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/9YHH9
More info on what is going on (Titled "Article 27 Lawsuit") - http://www.potlawyer.com
Private Doctor to Patient Certificate (Patient retains redacted cert. and the other copy the Doc retains) - http://www.potlawyer.com/docCert27.pdf
25 MILE RULE LAWSUIT:
Phoenix: (09-06-13) The Defendants will be represented by the usually Gregory Falls of Sherman & Howard Law Firm of Phoenix.
The Defendants have filed a Motion to Dismiss.
There are no calendar events on file for the case but will keep everyone up to date…
Until then please help us with any contributions to fight this case.
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/9YHH9
More info on what is going on (Titled "Article 27 Lawsuit") - http://www.potlawyer.com
Private Doctor to Patient Certificate (Patient retains redacted cert. and the other copy the Doc retains) - http://www.potlawyer.com/docCert27.pdf
HB DC
Active Member
UPDATE:
The State and AzDHS have filed a Motion to Dismiss
You must read it... The Arizona Medical Marijuana Program is in fact a "Health care system" which we can not be forced into! That was not argued against at all!
Participation is optional.
The Motion - http://forum.hydrobreed.com/NO25MileRuleAZ/motion to dismiss AZ.pdf
BDOGKush
Well-Known Member
Lol voluntary? What happens if I decide not to volunteer to pay off the state? Oh that's right, I get classified as a criminal. That's all this "medical" marijuana system amounts to, a pay off. "Give us $150 dollars and we'll give you a get out of jail card." Then they make you pay them off yearly. Can't afford to pay the system? Well then you're just a low life criminal. Who cares about medical necessity or the horrible shit you have to ingest to treat your condition. It is nothing more than a money making scheme for the state, they make $150 a year off patients and then their 25 mile rule forces you into buying from dispensaries with unacceptable quality at ridiculous prices, where the state can fleece you again with taxes. Can't afford the bullshit dispensary prices? Well then no medication for you Mr. Cancer patient! Even though said person would be able to afford growing it. The fact that they try to pass this off as a medical program is laughable.
HB DC
Active Member
Well that is just it...
The State & AzDHS are saying that they are not forcing people to engage in the medical use of marijuana but if a patient wants to engage in such activities they must be in compliance with the AMMA and the AzDHS rules...
The State & AzDHS are almost agreeing that the Arizona Medical Marijuana Program is in fact a health care system which the citizens can not be compelled to join.
So if you are not enrolled in the Program where does a patient get legal protection? (The green card does not provide the latter - flip it over and read the disclaimer folks - FUCKING seriously!)
Complete BS
The State & AzDHS are saying that they are not forcing people to engage in the medical use of marijuana but if a patient wants to engage in such activities they must be in compliance with the AMMA and the AzDHS rules...
The State & AzDHS are almost agreeing that the Arizona Medical Marijuana Program is in fact a health care system which the citizens can not be compelled to join.
So if you are not enrolled in the Program where does a patient get legal protection? (The green card does not provide the latter - flip it over and read the disclaimer folks - FUCKING seriously!)
Complete BS