SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)

[natureboygrower]

I use the basic blue bar stones. 10" long or so. Only problem is if you fill your res a little high, the bubbling can cause minor overflow. Very minimal.

 

[BigGpops]

Used them last grow on smaller plants that were behind, they caught up and grew faster seem like, I used 2 in 1 gallon sips!

 

[CrunchBerries]

LAB is very effective at improving pore space in soil/soil ventilation

LAB increases the solubility of fertiliser

LAB can directly promote plant growth or seed germination, as well as alleviating various abiotic stresses.

LAB will neutralize ammonia gas produced where the immature compost is applied.

LAB is conditionally anaerobic, so they can also survive with oxygen.

LAB solubilizes phosphate - Using LAB in phosphate-accumulated soil will increase its capacity to absorb the insoluble form of phosphates and help overcome the saline disorder as a result of decomposition of the phosphates.

LAB has served as an effective biocontrol agent; recently LAB has been shown to be effective in the control of a wide variety of fungal and bacterial phytopathogens.

LAB can improve nutrient availability from compost and other organic material.
The fermentation pathways provide a more efficient means for utilizing organic substances during their decomposition in soil.

The varied means with which LAB can act as a plant growth promoting bacteria (PGPB)

LAB can be used in biofertilisers, biocontrol agents and biostimulants to aid in producing food. The ability of lactic acid bacteria to live in the plant endosphere suggests an intimate relationship, which is responsible to enhance plant production by improving nutrient availability, acting as a biocontrol agent, alleviating biotic and biotic stresses, and directly stimulating plant growth “

LAB in their own right are a powerful PGPB but added to other complementary microbes, such as those found in EM, further enhances their potency. Lactobacillus plantarum, one of the LAB species in EM, is a particularliy voracious cellulose digesting bacteria who work effectively alongside the fermenting fungi and actinomycetes to accelerate the breakdown of plant residues, creating humus and stimulating aerobic microbes.

By oxygenating the bottom your increasing the bacterial chain, thus increasing population of not only LAB but all other beneficial aerobes. Bottom line is, More Microbes/ More Plant Mass/ Higher Yield/ Higher Quality

Hey bud,
How long is LABS good for? I have some in the fridge without a sugar source that is almost a year old. Heard it can last a year in the fridge, then would need molasses or brown sugar added to extend shelf life. Any experience?

 

[McShnutz]

Hey bud,
How long is LABS good for? I have some in the fridge without a sugar source that is almost a year old. Heard it can last a year in the fridge, then would need molasses or brown sugar added to extend shelf life. Any experience?

At that age I'd use it to culture a new batch. Then add molasses to that and make shelf stabilized. Burn up what you'd have left of the old any way you can. I'd go the nutrient ferment way and those can be made shelf stabilized as well. I love playing around with input ingredients and their values to formulate a nutrient extract tailored to each growth phase.
You can get a good 6-9 months on a self stabilized batch, I've still got some from over 1 year ago in 1 gal milk jugs.
Shelf stabilized kept in the fridge, could probably last yrs.
Stabilized just means that the microbes have been "put to sleep".

 

[CrunchBerries]

At that age I'd use it to culture a new batch. Then add molasses to that and make shelf stabilized. Burn up what you'd have left of the old any way you can. I'd go the nutrient ferment way and those can be made shelf stabilized as well. I love playing around with input ingredients and their values to formulate a nutrient extract tailored to each growth phase.
You can get a good 6-9 months on a self stabilized batch, I've still got some from over 1 year ago in 1 gal milk jugs.
Shelf stabilized kept in the fridge, could probably last yrs.
Stabilized just means that the microbes have been "put to sleep".

To culture a new batch, would I just add a bit to the milk/ricewash?

 

[McShnutz]

To culture a new batch, would I just add a bit to the milk/ricewash?

Serum into milk.
If you notice it's taking longer to fully curdle and displace the whey it's safe to assume the serum has degraded. And in that instance, I'd culture a new serum starting with a rice wash.

 

[CrunchBerries]

Serum into milk.
If you notice it's taking longer to fully curdle and displace the whey it's safe to assume the serum has degraded. And in that instance, I'd culture a new serum starting with a rice wash.

Thank you @McShnutz

 

[CrunchBerries]

I tend to revert when referencing LAB and use EM (Efficient Microbes) in its place. Both are the same.
But it is worth noting that not all EM inoculate serums are equal. Some may have more purple sulfur bacteria (PSB) or higher counts of yeast. They'll all contain LAB.

The product EM1 by Terraganix contains a multitude of microbial inputs. Don't by into the hype, I did years ago. Used the last couple oz. In the bottle to culture some homemade shit. I've exhausted it since and went the rice wash way to capture the bacterium. I won't discriminate against EM1 as it's a good product but I've seen better results from using homemade. Especially as a foliar spray with a little bit of aloe.

Have you tried Photosynthesis+? There is a diy recipe out there. I made some recently, but it’s heinous and haven’t cracked the seal.

 

[McShnutz]

Thank you @McShnutz

Anytime

Have you tried Photosynthesis+? There is a diy recipe out there. I made some recently, but it’s heinous and haven’t cracked the seal.

I have, and I have some left in a qt. It's very high in Purple sulfur bacteria, hence it smelling like rotten eggs. I use it mainly to mist the worm farms. But I'll combine LAB and Photo+ for foliar. Great product, and everything else that Microbe Life sells.

 

[McShnutz]

Have you tried Photosynthesis+? There is a diy recipe out there. I made some recently, but it’s heinous and haven’t cracked the seal.

I didn't know there was a DIY for PSB. Thanks for the heads up, I'll dig around.

What do you mean heinous?

 

[CrunchBerries]

I didn't know there was a DIY for PSB. Thanks for the heads up, I'll dig around.

What do you mean heinous?

The smell

Here’s the link the the recipe: https://overgrow.com/t/diy-photosynthesis-plus-psb-pnsb-cyanobacteria-recipes/61213

 

[McShnutz]

The smell

Here’s the link the the recipe: https://overgrow.com/t/diy-photosynthesis-plus-psb-pnsb-cyanobacteria-recipes/61213

I have a pond at the park that I think would be ideal to capture these microbes from. I may just build an incubator that's illuminated for year round cultures.
Thanks for the resource!!

 

[CrunchBerries]

Serum into milk.
If you notice it's taking longer to fully curdle and displace the whey it's safe to assume the serum has degraded. And in that instance, I'd culture a new serum starting with a rice wash.

Sorry to ask, but at what ratio of serum to milk?

 

[McShnutz]

Sorry to ask, but at what ratio of serum to milk?

I've never measured. Go figure 1 -2 cups/ gallon.

 

[McShnutz]

I don't know if it makes any difference what type of rice is used for the wash, but I prefer to use black wild rice. It's local to my location. But I feel like I get a better inoculate from it, being technically an IMO
Potatoe Potato

 

[myinvisiblecomplication]

Here's an easy way to make LABS

 

[CrunchBerries]

I don't know if it makes any difference what type of rice is used for the wash, but I prefer to use black wild rice. It's local to my location. But I feel like I get a better inoculate from it, being technically an IMO
Potatoe Potato

Dude! You have really cleared up some long standing questions I’ve had on LABS and wether to airstone or not to airstone. Ive started a whole new list of things to get done and research. Thanks a ton brother!

 

[CrunchBerries]

If I’m going to no till these sips the only place I can think to put an airstone that can be accessed to clean is down the fill tube. Thoughts?

 

[Xsan]

If I’m going to no till these sips the only place I can think to put an airstone that can be accessed to clean is down the fill tube. Thoughts?

I beleive that is how green ran it when he tried it. The final comparison was never followed up on thiugh

 

[McShnutz]

If I’m going to no till these sips the only place I can think to put an airstone that can be accessed to clean is down the fill tube. Thoughts?

Fill tube or through the side overflow hole