Socialism loses again

Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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HashBucket said:
Socialism doesn't work.
It results in 99% poverty, 1% wealth with NO chance of improvement.
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working pretty well in China. They have dragged millions out of poverty in a short time to be the leading trading power in the world, a super power in their own right and perhaps the worlds number 1 economy soon. Its only California ( a left state) thats propping up America as number 1 at the moment.

And can u give one example of which country u are getting ur figures from? Or they made up like most things u say?
 
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HashBucket

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Communist Dreamer said:
Their health care system is leagues ahead of our own in terms of morality. The rich and poor get the same treatment. Here the poor are sent to hospice to get murdered, while the rich get treatment.
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What is the average wait time to see a doctor in UK, Canada and US?
Average wait time to see a specialist in UK is two months.
In Canada its almost five months.
In US its 24 days.
(Google news, 2019)

How many people leave the UK to seek medical care elsewhere?
Government data shows the number of people going abroad for healthcare has increased from 48,000 in 2014 to almost 144,000 last year as the health service struggles to cope with demand. (The Telegraph, 10/22/17)

How many people leave Canada to seek medical care elsewhere?
The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year. (US News, 8/3/16)

It is only fair to also say that it is reported that over 150,000 Americans leave per year to seek medical care elsewhere, but it is to save money - not because they can't get it.

As our system becomes more socialistic, the reasons will change. Our wait times are trending up too.
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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Lucky Luke said:
working pretty well in China. They have dragged millions out of poverty in a short time to be the leading trading power in the world, a super power in their own right and perhaps the worlds number 1 economy soon. Its only California ( a left state) thats propping up America as number 1 at the moment.

an u give one example of which country u are getting ur figures from?
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He gets it from his Facebook feeds that constantly complain, "but Venezuela!"
 
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HashBucket

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Lucky Luke said:
orking pretty well in China. They have dragged millions out of poverty in a short time to be the leading trading power in the world, a super power in their own right and perhaps the worlds number 1 economy soon.
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China made their bones by stealing wealth from other nations; mostly the US.
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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HashBucket said:
What is the average wait time to see a doctor in UK, Canada and US?
Average wait time to see a specialist in UK is two months.
In Canada its almost five months.
In US its 24 days.
(Google news, 2019)

How many people leave the UK to seek medical care elsewhere?
Government data shows the number of people going abroad for healthcare has increased from 48,000 in 2014 to almost 144,000 last year as the health service struggles to cope with demand. (The Telegraph, 10/22/17)

How many people leave Canada to seek medical care elsewhere?
The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year. (US News, 8/3/16)

It is only fair to also say that it is reported that over 150,000 Americans leave per year to seek medical care elsewhere, but it is to save money - not because they can't get it.

As our system becomes more socialistic, the reasons will change. Our wait times are trending up too.
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How long of a wait time is never because you never get treatment from them denying you for lack of enough Benjamins?
 
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HashBucket

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Communist Dreamer said:
How long of a wait time is never because you never get treatment from them denying you for lack of enough Benjamins?
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The people who sailed first class should get a first shot at the lifeboat ...
and they do.
AND THEY ALWAYS WILL, even under communism.
The powerful do well ... that's life.

Solution? Become powerful. Become rich. You can do it in US.
Why do you think we need to build a wall? To keep people IN?
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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HashBucket said:
The people who sailed first class should get a first shot at the lifeboat ...
and they do.
AND THEY ALWAYS WILL, even under communism.
The powerful do well ... that's life.

Solution? Become powerful. Become rich. You can do it in US.
Why do you think we need to build a wall? To keep people IN?
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The lie of the American Dream BS. George Carlin said it best, so I won't try to beat him.

 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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ive never had to wait longer than a week to see a specialist for an initial consult. Operations have been either done the same day I've seen the specialist or a few months depending on how severe what I've got is. But its all free so its all good. Have to love Socialised healthcare. Don't understand why stupid people don't like it. Every 1st world country has it for a reason. Well except one. The one imploding on drug use, unemployment, huge homeless populations. Like living in the 1800's
Capitalism looks like a failure. Sure America tried to introduce some Socialism to help prop it up. To pay out the Banks, tariffs, Subsidies etc but they have in the main been used in a bad way and givin to the capitalists ho created the problem in the first place. Look at big Pharma. You guys get charged 1k a month for insulin..insulin is cheap as chips to make and $5:50 will get you a months supply here. And your defending your healthcare system? You are a nutter.
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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Lucky Luke said:
China is not Communist. Its ruled by the Communist party but has a Socialist agenda. Hence why it has a rising rich working class. China is out Capitalising America.
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China is one of the most capitalist countries in the world, but also the most authoritative. Unless we wisen up, we're on our way to being just like them, or worse.
 
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HashBucket

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Lucky Luke said:
You guys get charged 1k a month for insulin.
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No I don't.
I pay a $55 per month co-pay which includes an Rx plan, and $1 for any prescriptions.
And I'm old enough to have some prescriptions.
So, for less than $60 a month I get all I can eat.

I don't know anyone who pays list price for Insulin.
Or testing equipment and supplies.

My wife gets a new CPAP every 24 months; plus repairs and new clean face mask and hose every 60 days. Part of the same $55 per month co-pay.

Not comparing who's better ... you get to make that decision. If a US citizen wants to move to UK or Canada to get better health care ... its ok with me.

But, like I said, the US doesn't need a wall to keep people IN.
 
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HashBucket

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Lucky Luke said:
China is not Communist. Its ruled by the Communist party but has a Socialist agenda. Hence why it has a rising rich working class. China is out Capitalising America.
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No, come on!
Lies.
China IS a communist country BECAUSE it is ruled by the communist party and has a Socialist agenda.
But, like communist countries, the rich and powerful get away with cheating. But, only the rich and powerful get away with it.
Do you think the president of Venezuela (Nick Maduro) goes without medical care?
Do you think the people of Venezuela goes without medical care?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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HashBucket said:
The US makes deals, does business ... capitalism.
China steals, communism.
Not the same.
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US Invades other countries and steals their wealth.
Iraq oil.jpg

Nice pipeline that's getting built in Afghanistan to. The same one the Taliban reneged on after the meeting at the White House....
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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HashBucket said:
No, come on!
Lies.
China IS a communist country BECAUSE it is ruled by the communist party and has a Socialist agenda.
But, like communist countries, the rich and powerful get away with cheating. But, only the rich and powerful get away with it.
Do you think the president of Venezuela (Nick Maduro) goes without medical care?
Do you think the people of Venezuela goes without medical care?
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Your not real bright are you? Can see why u have to rent.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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HashBucket said:
That is your reply?
You don't know how to argue and debate do you?

If I'm as stupid as you think I am, I should be easy to best in an argument.
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I'm still waiting on answers for nearly every question I've asked of you. You just keep changing the subject and making wild claims....
You have called me way worse when u didnt understand how a business worked.
 
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