SoG Grow Room Discussion
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fabodnickMD
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SOG, just checkin in, I have been reading voraciously and I thought it might be time for me to tip my hat, I have some things going on here and I may have some questions at some point......I am going to post a thread on my own soon, so stay tuned. Hard core Bro, no doubt......
SOG
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sup everyone, I'm having some problem with my EZ cloner 120 with 20G in it
for the past two weeks my pH keeps dropping down
im at a point where it drops a point on the hour
lowered my ppm's from 1000 to 750, no feed pH keeps dropping
lowered to 600 still no feed, no feed pH keeps dropping
im at 350 and still no feed and ph keeps going down fast
i've changed and sterilizined res and pumps several times
the only thing that hasn't changed is the plants in there
the lid is full of clones for the past 6 weeks,
half of them rooted, half didn't the entire time
i ended up chopping the half that grow down two third, to stall and match the higet of the stalled ones
i also started feeding the rooted clones along with the unrooted ones
feeding with GH micro & Bloom, Hygrozime, and roots excel
as of the past week and half everything is at a standstill
and pH is going out of whack drastically
i have no idea whats causing this
any advice anyone
Thanks in advance
SoG
for the past two weeks my pH keeps dropping down
im at a point where it drops a point on the hour
lowered my ppm's from 1000 to 750, no feed pH keeps dropping
lowered to 600 still no feed, no feed pH keeps dropping
im at 350 and still no feed and ph keeps going down fast
i've changed and sterilizined res and pumps several times
the only thing that hasn't changed is the plants in there
the lid is full of clones for the past 6 weeks,
half of them rooted, half didn't the entire time
i ended up chopping the half that grow down two third, to stall and match the higet of the stalled ones
i also started feeding the rooted clones along with the unrooted ones
feeding with GH micro & Bloom, Hygrozime, and roots excel
as of the past week and half everything is at a standstill
and pH is going out of whack drastically
i have no idea whats causing this
any advice anyone
Thanks in advance
SoG
GringoLoco
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Plants can affect their environment's pH by transpiration during different light cycles, not sure if that is the case in this instance, but something to look into: http://www.tps.com.au/hydroponics/pheffect.htm
How much light have you got over the cloner?
How much light have you got over the cloner?
GypsyBush
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The only time I had my pH dropping, it dropped like a rock... Al B. Fuct helped me solve it...
This happened when I was "experimenting" with some diff. nutes (some organic) and he figured I must have colonized my res with some kind of growie (good or bad) that was causing the imbalance....
Of course his solution was H2O2.. and as soon as I went back to my salt based nutes and H2O2 the problem went away...
That's what happened to me anyways.... and ever since, I have not touched the pH up bottle...
This happened when I was "experimenting" with some diff. nutes (some organic) and he figured I must have colonized my res with some kind of growie (good or bad) that was causing the imbalance....
Of course his solution was H2O2.. and as soon as I went back to my salt based nutes and H2O2 the problem went away...
That's what happened to me anyways.... and ever since, I have not touched the pH up bottle...
SOG
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Thanks guys
lights are three feet away
which worked like magic, there's not one of them left
i have since swapped the soup and sterilized my entire EZ and gear twice with H2O2
the only thing that doesn't get sterilized through all this was the root system
im running 2 x 28 NewWave @50% capacity (4 working in each)
lights are three feet away
well, i did run Gnatroll few weeks back to control a Thrips issue,
which worked like magic, there's not one of them left
i have since swapped the soup and sterilized my entire EZ and gear twice with H2O2
the only thing that doesn't get sterilized through all this was the root system
GringoLoco
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I would venture to say you might have too much light over them - I have only a single 23w CFL over my cloner and it works fine.
SOG
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sup GL
this is actually the setup i always had, it was working ok till recent
i did have too much light over the cloner which caused yellowing leaves
i reduced the light emitted by 50% and put more distance between, about two weeks ago
SOG
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so if i understand you right,
i need to add h2o2 to the soup?
(I'm running with GH nutes now)
DIRTHAWKER
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Yo sog i hope you figure out and solve your problem.
I was wondering about your gnatroll? did you run it as a systemic? in your res?
if so what was the process? I am battling whiteflies and i am about to try azatrol (same as gnatroll) i think. You know i run the stink setups with 15 gallon res,s.
The problem is i cant get a clear regimen on how to use it in the res. (how much how long etc).. thanks again.
I was wondering about your gnatroll? did you run it as a systemic? in your res?
if so what was the process? I am battling whiteflies and i am about to try azatrol (same as gnatroll) i think. You know i run the stink setups with 15 gallon res,s.
The problem is i cant get a clear regimen on how to use it in the res. (how much how long etc).. thanks again.
tat2ue
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Need to drop nutes all together...I have a DIY 80 site aero cloner and only use plain tap water ph'd to 5.8 and add 1 shot glass of Clonex per 5 gallons of water. This gets me roots in 6 to 9 days. The pic below is the clones I put in my aero cloner 19 days ago. I usually don't let them stay in this long but I am running behind in my flower room with my perpetual SOG by about a week.
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SOG
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Sup Dirt
here's the scope on the Gnatroll
i run it in several ways till i got a handle on it
first you need to know there are two types of Gnatroll out there
one is liquid the other is a powder application, only use the liquid version
it is hard to come by as they discontinued the product for the favor of the powder application version
they claim its more concentrated version of the liquid
but the reality is, it doesn't do as good of a job as the liquid does
it will keep things at bay, which i'm sure is more profitable for the manufacture
as they all seem to be going in this route
now for applying
it is a fairly thick compound, i applied in my moms table
and in my EZ killer 120
i was able to track results on my moms tray more easily as i can observe the run off for motion
which is how i originally discovered my problem
i keep fogging the room on a schedule, i had nothing flying around
but i guess they were in the medium waiting to hatch
when they did i saw them jumping in the run off
that's when i started to treat
i first run the lowest dosage recommended by the manufacture mixed with the soup
and gave it few days, in which i could still see motion on the run off
i was getting stress it wasn't working and time was ticking
i emptied my res then refilled with RO water and max dosage on the Gnatroll (40ml per gallon)
i applied as a drench first with the mix, which run off to the res
i then filled up the res with the same rate and flooded every other day for three days
i can tell you this, in matter of hours at full rate
nothing was moving in the water, nothing
they were thousands of them, but they were all dead
i clearly over did it as my moms got stressed from this three days process
but they are free of any pests in the media; and are bouncing back as we speak
i also applied this at the same rates in the cloner, as a mist application
it is not recommended to agitate the res water with the beneficials in it
i also realized there could not be any eggs inside the cloner
since they have no way of penetrating, if they were anywhere around
it who'd be on the leafs only, which my fogging should have taken care of
i originally got the Gnatroll cause i thought i have Gnats in the medium
it turned out to be thrips, the Gnatroll is marketed for controlling Gnat in media
but the beneficial bacteria take care of everything in the media
i verified it later with their sales rep, they sell other products for thrips
so they dont want to confuse or conflict
go Only with Gnatroll for anything that's growing in your medium,
it works, verified 100%!
SOG
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ty tom
thought that might be the issue,
i stopped adding it for a week the problem was still going
i then thought maybe its bad or outdated or simply bad
but that was quickly discarded as i realized am running it in 'my moms and this issue isn't happening there
i also dropped the rate to half (4ml per gallon) to be on the safe side, still no change
SOG
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ty tat, i did
those roots look very healthy, nice work!
GypsyBush
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OK.. the train is moving faster tha me again...
So what grade h2o2 are you using...
Al's recommendation to me was ...
1ml/L of 50% EVERY 3 or 4 days...
1.7ml/L of 35% every 3 or 4 days....
He also mentioned that the roots can "withstand" up to 10 ml/L of the 50% stuff.... so initial treatment in trying to solve an issue can be much higher than the recommended "daily" dose...
Ever get rid of the tent???
So what grade h2o2 are you using...
Al's recommendation to me was ...
1ml/L of 50% EVERY 3 or 4 days...
1.7ml/L of 35% every 3 or 4 days....
He also mentioned that the roots can "withstand" up to 10 ml/L of the 50% stuff.... so initial treatment in trying to solve an issue can be much higher than the recommended "daily" dose...
Ever get rid of the tent???
SOG
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ty GOK.. the train is moving faster tha me again...
So what grade h2o2 are you using...
Al's recommendation to me was ...
1ml/L of 50% EVERY 3 or 4 days...
1.7ml/L of 35% every 3 or 4 days....
He also mentioned that the roots can "withstand" up to 10 ml/L of the 50% stuff.... so initial treatment in trying to solve an issue can be much higher than the recommended "daily" dose...
Ever get rid of the tent???
35%, gave it 10ml in roughly 20g
SOG
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i went by the manufactures recommendations on the label(pH is still dropping)According to Al's recommendation, you would have added about 130ml of 35% to 20 gal (75.7 L)...
But if it worked for you with less... than more power to you..
for normal crop application recommended 1tsp per 10g
for sterilizing its recommended 1 tsp per gallon
but that's only recommended for in between crops only
how did you get to 170ml
if i run max sterilization dosage with this application based on man recommendations it comes up to 100ml
this is almost twice as much needed for killing everything, put down the bong bra; please double check this for me
i cant afford killing everything in my cloner, are you sure its not per gallon?