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I got a reading off the Moisture Meter, it read '3' which is still fairly moist and that was with the MM pushed most of the way in :) Oh, littlegrower2004 I tried to give you more REP but it said I have to share some more 1st or summink, but when I can add it I will :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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I bought this book ages ago, it really helped me right back in the beginning :) there are some chapters I never bothered with, funnilly enough : the soil chapters lol :) I'am going to pour myself a nice strong Elijah Craig straight Bourbon and read up on it this evening in front of the fire :) hopefully this will answer any questions I still have, once again cheer's littlegrower2004 - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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im here to help a fellow grower stelthy, not just to earn rep. but thanks for the thought haha! im not sure on how to properly use a moisture meter so im not too sure on how far to go into the soil. also im not sure how the moisture meter operates, does it take reading from the very tip or from the entire stick that is inserted into the soil? if its from the very tip, then in theory you would have to place it as close to the bottom as possible to get a relative reading from the bottom of the pot. if its the entire stick that gives an average moisture level from the all of the surrounding area then you wouldnt need it to be very far in. you are spot on with the run off, its basically the excess water that isnt retained in the soil and ends up in your dish under the pot. some people like to check PH of nutes going in as well as the run off to see if there is any change. i personally havent done that but i also dont try to perfect my grow to the finest details. theres many things you can add to your soil to make it less water retainable or more water retainable depending on how often you want to water. i personally like to see the plants suck up moisture quick to know they are properly functioning therefore i add perlite to my mix to give it less ability to retain the moisture and have to water more frequently. the main key i will say though for soil IMO, if anything let the plants get too dry before adding water to avoid over watering. i like to see some droopiness in the leaves to show they are thirsty but if this is caught too late you will definetely see some dried growth in fan leaves and possible loss of some. dryness is way easier for a plant to overcome then over watering. overwatering may seem weird to someone who does mainly hydro, but soil doesnt have the same air to water ratio as hydro and the roots eventually are sufficated.
 
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I find the weight method works best. 1 Liter of water weighs 1KG. So if you get a 4L pot and put soil in it, then lift it up a few time this is the point your plant need watering now add water slowly until you get 15 – 20% run off and lift it again, this should give you an idea of the difference between both. After doing this a few time you get a much better idea of their requirements. Under watering is bad because the plant uses water for evaporation to expel toxins from it system and moving nutrients around, but in saying that over watering is bad also because it cuts air off from the roots and causes problems……. This is my understanding of the process. You should have around 15 - 20% run off after watering your soil. The reason for this is nutrients are salts and the plant uses some nutrients faster than others. So you will find a buildup of unused salts in the soil, this is bad! Plants use a process called osmosis to draw nutrients (salts) into their system and if your soil has to higher unused nutrient (salt) content it can draw nutrients from the plant themselves and make the rootball toxic. So the idea of the extra run off is to try to flush the unused nutrients away. This is also why some people test the run off to see its EC level. If it’s real high then you need to increase your run off Hope this helps = )
 
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grow space said:
ok dude, i was just scanning through the pages with no grow pics, and i found nothing! u should have posted this in different thread section, but then again it all up to you so yeah....happy growing man !
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such a demanding prick, dont like the thread, fuck off then, forum troller with a 3000 post count, lame....
 
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Good news ....The Train-Wreck has popped.. Iam just waiting for her to straighten up and she can go in the DWC pot, I'd say either later today, or tommoz morning, infact I'll wait till tommoz to be on the safe side.. But that's a good start to the day :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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Today I had some spare change so I decided it was a good idea to get the CANNA Terra Florez, meaning now there is not much else as far as I am aware for me to get for my soil experiment :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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littlegrower2004 said:
im here to help a fellow grower stelthy, not just to earn rep. but thanks for the thought haha! im not sure on how to properly use a moisture meter so im not too sure on how far to go into the soil. also im not sure how the moisture meter operates, does it take reading from the very tip or from the entire stick that is inserted into the soil? if its from the very tip, then in theory you would have to place it as close to the bottom as possible to get a relative reading from the bottom of the pot. if its the entire stick that gives an average moisture level from the all of the surrounding area then you wouldnt need it to be very far in. you are spot on with the run off, its basically the excess water that isnt retained in the soil and ends up in your dish under the pot. some people like to check PH of nutes going in as well as the run off to see if there is any change. i personally havent done that but i also dont try to perfect my grow to the finest details. theres many things you can add to your soil to make it less water retainable or more water retainable depending on how often you want to water. i personally like to see the plants suck up moisture quick to know they are properly functioning therefore i add perlite to my mix to give it less ability to retain the moisture and have to water more frequently. the main key i will say though for soil IMO, if anything let the plants get too dry before adding water to avoid over watering. i like to see some droopiness in the leaves to show they are thirsty but if this is caught too late you will definetely see some dried growth in fan leaves and possible loss of some. dryness is way easier for a plant to overcome then over watering. overwatering may seem weird to someone who does mainly hydro, but soil doesnt have the same air to water ratio as hydro and the roots eventually are sufficated.
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Hi dude, I appreciate the help :) I only wanted to give you REP cos I dont like the idea of getting help for nothing :) lol, If you ever need a hand with summink feel free to ask :) I'll look around on 'you-tube' n see if there's a user's guide for the moisture meter etc, Thanks for your help I now have a clearer idea of what to do - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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smooo said:
I find the weight method works best. 1 Liter of water weighs 1KG. So if you get a 4L pot and put soil in it, then lift it up a few time this is the point your plant need watering now add water slowly until you get 15 – 20% run off and lift it again, this should give you an idea of the difference between both. After doing this a few time you get a much better idea of their requirements. Under watering is bad because the plant uses water for evaporation to expel toxins from it system and moving nutrients around, but in saying that over watering is bad also because it cuts air off from the roots and causes problems……. This is my understanding of the process. You should have around 15 - 20% run off after watering your soil. The reason for this is nutrients are salts and the plant uses some nutrients faster than others. So you will find a buildup of unused salts in the soil, this is bad! Plants use a process called osmosis to draw nutrients (salts) into their system and if your soil has to higher unused nutrient (salt) content it can draw nutrients from the plant themselves and make the rootball toxic. So the idea of the extra run off is to try to flush the unused nutrients away. This is also why some people test the run off to see its EC level. If it’s real high then you need to increase your run off Hope this helps = )
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Cheers for the insight :) I think I'll test the PH before and after to begin with just so I get an understanding of the soil I am using and what levels to expect in my future watering times :) I have an EC wand so that'll make life easier too thanks again man - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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g0dl1ke said:
such a demanding prick, dont like the thread, fuck off then, forum troller with a 3000 post count, lame....
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Yeah man lol, don't worry...pretty much all of what he said went in one ear and out the other, I can speak on behalf of 98% of the members on this thread and say they are intelligent,respectful and helpful so the odd 2% ~ what can I say lol.... I'll turn a blind eye to and feel sorry for them lol :) - STELTHY :leaf:


PS/ I hope everyone else is finding my thread both interesting and helpful :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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Mini UPDATE :- My Train-Wreck seedling has sprouted & random as hell its got 3 little baby first leaves instead of the normal 2?? I don't know if that is good or bad but she is destined for the DWC pot later today when the lights come on, she is all ready, and stands little over 1.5" tall :) I have already PH balanced the water in the res. and for now am only adding Rhyzotonic in a half measure...just to settle her in :) I'll add pics this afternoon - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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[video=youtube;Upy6fLbap7Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upy6fLbap7Q[/video]

[video=youtube;_QjGlLdKOzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QjGlLdKOzE[/video]

Although this is not the exact moisture meter I have, it kinda shows how to use one :) .. Saying that though it does look like it should be something I have, I like the idea of the lightmeter I wonder if its good for HID lighting as well as the sun? I'll look into getting one of these on-line in a while, The 2nd video made me laugh but it show's just how easy it is :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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Hi again, baring in mind I have started and the next pics I begin to upload are all going to be related to my grow I ve decided to post something else that's really cool that I did yesterday as a present from my Mrs :)



I went to see NECRO & MR HYDE at The Borderline last night 18/NOV/2010 it was a fuckin' quality night I have listened to Necro & Co for many years now ever since I 1st heard 'I NEED DRUGS' !!! and never thought I'd get to see them live!

So there's an insight to what else I've been up to.... Now back to my grow :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
Danielsgb

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Glad to see you got plants going. I'd take the soil meter back to get you quids back. They are worthless. Just saying, Ive used them landscaping. It will be unreliable. IMO you will find it pointless anyway.
Daniels
 
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Danielsgb said:
Glad to see you got plants going. I'd take the soil meter back to get you quids back. They are worthless. Just saying, Ive used them landscaping. It will be unreliable. IMO you will find it pointless anyway.
Daniels
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Hi Dan, Yeah the moisture meter I have is pretty lame, it work's but accuracy is not great, I can't understand how garden companies/store's etc can sell stuff that doesn't work propperly? lol :( oh well..... I am going by weight like 'Smooo' surgested earlier :) So far so good, I am keeping my fingers firmly crossed for the little soil grow :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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Ok good news and bad news :) :(, Good news is my 'Stawberry-Thai' is doing fine, and so are my 'actual-tomatoes' BUT!!!!!! bad news : My fucking 'Train-Wreck' seed just stopped growing and is presumed DEAD! I am guessing it was just a shit seed?!! Cos of three baby leaves and the slow germination speed...... Anyway..So as to not waste any more precious grow time I have ripped out the 'Train-Wreck' and re-placed her with a feminised 'Great White Shark, the seed is currently in a rockwool cube in a dish in my heated propagator, So all going well she should be heading for the DWC Res. tub later this week, ready for try #2 :) I am pissed that the 'Train-wreck' failed but from what I've read 'Great White Shark' is also a top notch strain. Here is some additional information I have found about this strain :-

Great White Shark is also known as Peacemaker. It produces very heavy colas with copious amounts of resin similar to White Widow. Great White Shark is mostly Indica (75%), and has a strong body buzz that makes it great for one-hitters. It’s also well-known for its medicinal properties, making it the perfect choice for those suffering from chronic pain.

Its parents, Super Skunk, Brazilian, and South Indian strains have given this plant it’s typical Indica appearance, with fat, serrated leaves, as well as dense, chunky colas that are on a short and easily manageable plant. Its trichome-laden buds develop the traditional orange hairs that will darken to brown as it reaches maturity.

Great White Shark can be grown outdoors, but it is mostly recommended to grow indoors with a hydroponic set for the best results. You can also grow Great White Shark in a sea of green garden and it will still produce its astounding yields. This strain is known for it’s strong buzz, and a pungent, fruity taste which makes Great White Shark a great time for relaxing and napping when you haven’t got much to do.

and that brings me up-to-date, for now :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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So here's the state of play at the moment :) ...All the lesser important stuff is doing really well lol, I just hope the 'Great White Shark' pulls through for me :) now that the 'Train-Wreck' has snuffed it! - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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