Super Tuesday

I live in Chicago and this is what I see every day its sad it really is

Gond00s said:

she had no experience in education or what teachers really need,u do know that a lot of these public school teachers have to take money out of their own pocket and actually use that for their classes the education should be covered by the state/government and they don't get the money they need to educate the next generation of children. these children are relying on their teachers because these teachers want them to succeed the state/government doesn't.think about it

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If you want this situation to improve, vote Democrats in.

I'm just pointing that Betsy Devos has totally fucked over people who went into public education by faithfully following a grant that allowed them to work off their loans by teaching in less desirable school districts. Over the years, SNAFUs that were out of those teacher's control, such as delays in when their payments were recorded, caused them to be forced into default on those loans. Congress set up a process for remediating those mistakes. Instead of following mandates from Congress that had been approved by the president, her department's inaction has forced teachers and their unions to sue to force them into action.


DeVos sued over student loan forgiveness program that denies 99 percent of applicants

Biden's role in all of this cannot be overlooked. He did write draconian anti-bankruptcy measures in a student loan bill. He had reasons for that but it is true that many people are suffering under the weight of debt that could normally have been removed by filing for bankruptcy. So, yeah, not cool. But dude, that's arcane stuff from the past. It's only coming to light because Trump wants to smear Biden, not because it is some huge act of abuse by Biden. The things going on today ARE corrupt and abusive by Trump and his cronies. Let's keep a light on the real action.

all the things that are going on are just not right trump is playing for the 1 percent that is rich and is saying fuck the rest u bet im voting a dem in because these republicans from what I can see just care about the 1 percent that's another reason I like Bernie he's not a billionaire he's going with the people that are not the 1% that's how I see it but a lot of the education system is broke and the criminal system to but that will never be fixed who knows but all i think about is if the education system is the broke our future is at risk letting trump get away with all these things hes becoming a monarch and I don't want to be ruled by the white king of the north my 2c and I will never support Bloomberg a billionaire that is buying the election not my type. but the stop and frisk policy went to far but since it was a different time it might be admissible but that will still leave a sour taste in some voters mouths
but looked at this and looks like it is a good idea tho fuck those billionares https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/309/text

tangerinegreen555 said:

Is there anybody left under 70?

It takes an old fuck to beat a worse old fuck now?

The last 5 elected Democrats were in their 40's and 50's and one of the two in their 50's only got elected because his younger boss got shot.

But none of them were running against the least popular asshole in US history either, so there's hope.

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Im not sure about Johnson, but the last 4 Democratic presidents also lost the House and Senate in their first two years in office. Maybe a old guy will have a little better luck holding power for the Democratic party to get some real work done for more than 2 years.

Gond00s said:

a big reason I dont like biden is how now their is almost two trillion in student debt and he backed bills to keep students in debt u shouldn't be forced to go into debt to better yourself and do something better with your life

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Backed bills to "keep students in debt", sounds a lot like propaganda. I would defiantly question that one if I was you, if you provide links or whatnot, I will look it over, but I am guessing it is in some way about saving students the ability to get loans so that they can go to school that is getting mangled in the messaging.

Being able to get federal loans made it possible for me and my wife to go back to school while still buying our home and working. Having access to that is well worth the costs of paying them back. Getting a higher education is one of the best ways to increase your standard of living and everyone having access is so important. Which would not be possible unless you had family money otherwise.

Gond00s said:

all the things that are going on are just not right trump is playing for the 1 percent that is rich and is saying fuck the rest u bet im voting a dem in because these republicans from what I can see just care about the 1 percent that's another reason I like Bernie he's not a billionaire he's going with the people that are not the 1% that's how I see it but a lot of the education system is broke and the criminal system to but that will never be fixed who knows but all i think about is if the education system is the broke our future is at risk letting trump get away with all these things hes becoming a monarch and I don't want to be ruled by the white king of the north my 2c and I will never support Bloomberg a billionaire that is buying the election not my type. but the stop and frisk policy went to far but since it was a different time it might be admissible but that will still leave a sour taste in some voters mouths
but looked at this and looks like it is a good idea tho fuck those billionares https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/309/text

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I don't know about you but I'm much more concerned about Bernie Sanders inaction over the past 12+ years as a senator than anything Biden did decades ago. While Bernie was not showing up to do his one job as Senator -- vote on legislation or, gasp, writing an important bill that could pass -- Biden was doing his job, working to support Obama's presidency. Sanders hasn't passed a single important bill and only has three minor ones passed in all those 12 years. Meanwhile, he fails to make progress on things he says are important to do while failing to stall or stop things he opposes. I'm fine if Vermont wants him as Senator. Bernie is great at riding the coattails of the Democratic Party and votes with us. I'm just not interested in having him stand as the standard bearer for the Democratic Party going into a very important election against Trump. Even if he wins, I don't think he'd make a good president. Biden, at least, has shown the ability to DO important work. He also works well with others.

I wanted Warren, so my objections to Sanders isn't based on his policies. Other than "not a Republican", my main criteria for a person I want to serve are: demonstrates the ability to successfully complete difficult tasks, works well with others, is capable of making progress even in difficult circumstances. I simply don't think Sanders measures up. Not only that but his history shows he will be a poor leader on civil rights issues.

Now let's watch as you attempt to justify Biden's actions, be sure to remind us the Guardian and the Intercept is Russian propaganda

Padawanbater2 said:

How Biden helped create the student debt problem he now promises to fix

The former vice-president and 2020 presidential hopeful backed a 2005 bill that stripped students of bankruptcy protections and left millions in financial stress

www.theguardian.com

Joe Biden’s Role in Creating the Student Debt Crisis Stretches Back to the 1970s

As a senator, Joe Biden supported several bills that contributed to the rise in borrowing from $1.8 billion in 1977 to $12 billion in 1989.

theintercept.com

Now let's watch as you attempt to justify Biden's actions, be sure to remind us the Guardian and the Intercept is Russian propaganda

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yawn,

padaraper just passed on some more Republican propaganda against Biden. Why am I not surprised.

Bernie Sanders is a judas goat for Republicans.

Fogdog said:

No opinion on what Betsy Devos has done about this crisis?

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What is the relevance of that deflection, when the current objective is choosing the best democratic candidate?

Padawanbater2 said:

How Biden helped create the student debt problem he now promises to fix

The former vice-president and 2020 presidential hopeful backed a 2005 bill that stripped students of bankruptcy protections and left millions in financial stress

www.theguardian.com

Joe Biden’s Role in Creating the Student Debt Crisis Stretches Back to the 1970s

As a senator, Joe Biden supported several bills that contributed to the rise in borrowing from $1.8 billion in 1977 to $12 billion in 1989.

theintercept.com

Now let's watch as you attempt to justify Biden's actions, be sure to remind us the Guardian and the Intercept is Russian propaganda

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You are boring Pada, how is stopping bankruptcy fraud forcing people to carry student debt?

Did you know you can forbade the debt if you don't have a job or can't pay?

Also, do you think that if you can pay enough money to get a slick enough lawyer, you should be able to wipe off all your debts like Trump does anytime he makes stupid decisions? Because I don't. Also I understand looking at the date that it is a stretch to blame Biden for this bill when the House and Senate was in control of the Republicans.

2008 did change a lot of things, but it didn't stop how important it is to be able to get loans for school if you cannot afford it because you don't have an education to pay for it yourself or a family wealthy enough to pay for you to go. If those loans got stripped because the Republicans wanted to keep education (the best wealth builder) affordable only to the people at the time who could afford it outright, I am guessing we wouldn't have the number of women and minorities gaining their educations we currently have.

Fogdog said:

some more Republican propaganda against Biden.

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......Facts are now propaganda?

The Intercept is a right wing outlet?

Fogdog slipping again.

Buss Relville said:

......Facts are now propaganda?

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When they have cherry picked them and omitted ones that counter the point, yes they can be.

Buss Relville said:

The Intercept is a right wing outlet?

Fogdog slipping again.

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If the goal is to get Trump elected, at the end of the day does it really matter if they are propagandizing people on the left?

hanimmal said:

people on the left?

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Biden isn't on the left.

Buss Relville said:

Biden isn't on the left.

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Biden is firmly 'on the left' Right smack dab in the middle of the Democratic party. And higher up on the leadership score too. But I know propaganda trolls that like to project what they ultimately are, would say otherwise.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ok-then-biden-2020.994745/post-15345290

Padawanbater2 said:

Now let's watch as you attempt to justify Biden's actions

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Biden put a gun to every student forcing them to take out student loans??

If that's true, that's a reason to not vote for him.

Padawanbater2 said:

If any of that were true, Hillary Clinton would be president. It sounds like you've been fooled to believe the same narrative the moderate/centrist wing of the Democratic party was trying to sell in 2016. If Biden is the nominee, Trump wins reelection. Vote accordingly, don't say progressives didn't warn you when Biden inevitably loses and everyone blames everything but Biden and establishment policy/strategy for it.

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I guess it shouldn't bother you that the only people who like your posts are Trump trolls.

rkymtnman said:

Biden put a gun to every student forcing them to take out student loans??

If that's true, that's a reason to not vote for him.

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Biden helped make it impossible for people with student loan debt to vacate it through bankruptcy. I wonder why though..

The Republican-led bill tightened the bankruptcy code, unleashing a huge giveaway to lenders at the expense of indebted student borrowers. At the time it faced vociferous opposition from 25 Democrats in the US Senate.

But it passed anyway, with 18 Democratic senators breaking ranks and casting their vote in favor of the bill. Of those 18, one politician stood out as an especially enthusiastic champion of the credit companies who, as it happens, had given him hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions – Joe Biden.

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Padawanbater2 said:

Left of center right is right

There is no "left party" in American politics, there's a far right wing party and a conservative party, Biden sits on the left of that, along with Obama and the Clintons

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Clinton and Obama had what a combined 14 years of constant economic growth, marriage equality, health insurance covered more American than ever before, on and on, whatever they were doing it was working. It would be even better if we could have supported them for more than 2 years at a time too.