Tesla New Model Unveil...

ttystikk

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Everything is different in Europe because the cities are so close together, and the rail system goes everywhere. But they are outlawing flights of less than two hours if there is a rail connection between the towns. The carbon footprint for the trip is 70 times more to fly than to take the train.
And taking a car is also many times the carbon footprint, to say nothing of freight in trucks.
 

CatHedral

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they use that power generated when they slow down to get themselves moving again...it's no kind of net gain at all
Actually the locomotives have megawatt-class power resistor arrays. Watch a long freight train go down a grade and the grid resistors throw out great plumes of very hot air from fan-blown grid resistors.

Regenerative braking is not available unless we’re talking electric propulsion with the track electrified.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Actually the locomotives have megawatt-class power resistor arrays. Watch a long freight train go down a grade and the grid resistors throw out great plumes of very hot air from fan-blown grid resistors.

Regenerative braking is not available unless we’re talking electric propulsion with the track electrified.
https://www.globalmasstransit.net/archive.php?id=17689
this and a short segment on...how it's made ?.... is pretty much what i know about it, but i do recall them saying it was useful for getting the city bus they had it installed in moving again.
http://primary.fibacanning.com/cumulo/hybrid/
that's the company, can't find the show it was on...
 

CatHedral

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https://www.globalmasstransit.net/archive.php?id=17689
this and a short segment on...how it's made ?.... is pretty much what i know about it, but i do recall them saying it was useful for getting the city bus they had it installed in moving again.
http://primary.fibacanning.com/cumulo/hybrid/
that's the company, can't find the show it was on...
Second link is for road vehicles.

First in link 1 to show correct infrastructure appear to be Central Europe and Japan.

The Philadelphia bit amused me when they mention trains. I wonder how they will handle 150-car freight trains transiting the area.

In North America the greatest need and difficulty is for transcontinental freight.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Second link is for road vehicles.

First in link 1 to show correct infrastructure appear to be Central Europe and Japan.

The Philadelphia bit amused me when they mention trains. I wonder how they will handle 150-car freight trains transiting the area.

In North America the greatest need and difficulty is for transcontinental freight.
that and local transit. the roads around major cities get backed up so easily, and that leads to more vehicles idling, which is a complete lose/lose, more accidents, more road rage, and all that shit just gets taken home, vented on families, on whoever they run into...
so taking some of the load off of aging highways and heavily traveled surface roads would help a lot, but that's really more about subways and ELs at the moment, it would take a long time to do anything about the outlying areas, bedroom communities serving the larger metro work area. they would have to build a station in every one of those towns, or those people would just ignore the rail system and continue to crowd into town on their way to and from work.
 

CatHedral

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that and local transit. the roads around major cities get backed up so easily, and that leads to more vehicles idling, which is a complete lose/lose, more accidents, more road rage, and all that shit just gets taken home, vented on families, on whoever they run into...
so taking some of the load off of aging highways and heavily traveled surface roads would help a lot, but that's really more about subways and ELs at the moment, it would take a long time to do anything about the outlying areas, bedroom communities serving the larger metro work area. they would have to build a station in every one of those towns, or those people would just ignore the rail system and continue to crowd into town on their way to and from work.
All useful increments. But while the heavy freight trains are still burning petroleum, that is the big hard target. I haven’t even discussed sea transport (automated sailing vessels seem interesting for non-perishables) and aviation.

Short haul can have enough storage capacity to do regenerative. Doing buses and metro rail is comparatively easy.
 

ttystikk

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Actually the locomotives have megawatt-class power resistor arrays. Watch a long freight train go down a grade and the grid resistors throw out great plumes of very hot air from fan-blown grid resistors.

Regenerative braking is not available unless we’re talking electric propulsion with the track electrified.
I said the same thing above. I used to live next to the main rail line coming down out of Coal Creek Canyon and into Denver.

I have always found it interesting and annoying that diesel electric locomotives make huge amounts of excess electricity when they're decelerating... and then waste every damn Watt of it. That one main line could easily supply thousands of homes with all their energy needs.
 

ttystikk

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All useful increments. But while the heavy freight trains are still burning petroleum, that is the big hard target. I haven’t even discussed sea transport (automated sailing vessels seem interesting for non-perishables) and aviation.
And it's an upgrade; put the wire over the tracks, connect to the grid, swap the locomotives and done! There's no better climate mitigation bang for the invested buck anywhere else in the transportation sector.
 

ttystikk

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Patiently waiting to buy an electric car. Until then just gonna ride my bike and take the bus. We are down to one gas car after the other one got totaled in a car accident. Used cars are very expensive now and it
Seems dumb to buy a new gas car
At this point so just going to wait it out .
Good used ones are beginning to enter the market. Certain hybrids will also pencil out. Consider the Chevy Volt as a short range electric with on board gasoline backup for longer trips, for instance.
 

CatHedral

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smokinrav

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Really? A $100 deposit means Tesla is automatically going to sell a million cybertrucks? Tesla doesn't have the capacity to make a million of them anyway.
Tesla can't even make 100,000 regular Teslas for Hertz, much less a million cybertrucks. From the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall]

Some Tesla officials were surprised by how quickly Hertz said the order would be filled and had been expecting to deliver roughly 10,000 vehicles a year to Hertz, one of the people said. Another one of the people said the press release was shared with Tesla representatives. Wall Street expects Tesla to deliver nearly 900,000 vehicles globally this year.

The two companies are hammering out details of a deal that would specify the timing of deliveries, the people said. Tesla is still expected to supply the 100,000 vehicles at the list price to Hertz, with timing of the deliveries being the key issue, the people said.

“As we announced last week, Hertz has made an initial order of 100,000 Tesla electric vehicles and is investing in new EV charging infrastructure across the company’s global operations,” Hertz said, repeating a statement issued Tuesday. “Deliveries of the Teslas already have started.”
 

doublejj

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Tesla can't even make 100,000 regular Teslas for Hertz, much less a million cybertrucks. From the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall]

Some Tesla officials were surprised by how quickly Hertz said the order would be filled and had been expecting to deliver roughly 10,000 vehicles a year to Hertz, one of the people said. Another one of the people said the press release was shared with Tesla representatives. Wall Street expects Tesla to deliver nearly 900,000 vehicles globally this year.

The two companies are hammering out details of a deal that would specify the timing of deliveries, the people said. Tesla is still expected to supply the 100,000 vehicles at the list price to Hertz, with timing of the deliveries being the key issue, the people said.

“As we announced last week, Hertz has made an initial order of 100,000 Tesla electric vehicles and is investing in new EV charging infrastructure across the company’s global operations,” Hertz said, repeating a statement issued Tuesday. “Deliveries of the Teslas already have started.”
Tesla is building new factories. Tesla will sell every EV they can build for the foreseeable future...it's all about battery production
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Tesla can't even make 100,000 regular Teslas for Hertz, much less a million cybertrucks. From the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall]

Some Tesla officials were surprised by how quickly Hertz said the order would be filled and had been expecting to deliver roughly 10,000 vehicles a year to Hertz, one of the people said. Another one of the people said the press release was shared with Tesla representatives. Wall Street expects Tesla to deliver nearly 900,000 vehicles globally this year.

The two companies are hammering out details of a deal that would specify the timing of deliveries, the people said. Tesla is still expected to supply the 100,000 vehicles at the list price to Hertz, with timing of the deliveries being the key issue, the people said.

“As we announced last week, Hertz has made an initial order of 100,000 Tesla electric vehicles and is investing in new EV charging infrastructure across the company’s global operations,” Hertz said, repeating a statement issued Tuesday. “Deliveries of the Teslas already have started.”
Tesla could deliver to Hertz, but it will slow them down on delivering to anyone else, they only have 75 or 80,000 employs, and 4 production facilities...they're already pushing their limits just filling the orders they have,
 

injinji

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Tesla could deliver to Hertz, but it will slow them down on delivering to anyone else, they only have 75 or 80,000 employs, and 4 production facilities...they're already pushing their limits just filling the orders they have,
The Hertz deal will sell lots of cars down the road. People who would think twice about plunking down $50-120K will get a chance to drive one for a week while on vacation. I'm sure they will be some of the most requested cars Hertz have.
 

ttystikk

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The best part about this build is that it's a rolling advertisement for Ford's plans to release the electric motors and battery of the Mach-e as a "crate motor" for builders to use in their projects. This has the potential of reducing the cost of electric conversions substantially.
 

smokinrav

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The best part about this build is that it's a rolling advertisement for Ford's plans to release the electric motors and battery of the Mach-e as a "crate motor" for builders to use in their projects. This has the potential of reducing the cost of electric conversions substantially.
Ford sold out of their entire supply of electric crate motors in a few weeks. No word on when round 2 comes along, but you can bet as long as there are production ready units needing them, crate motors will come along at a few hundred per year, give or take.
 

xtsho

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The best part about this build is that it's a rolling advertisement for Ford's plans to release the electric motors and battery of the Mach-e as a "crate motor" for builders to use in their projects. This has the potential of reducing the cost of electric conversions substantially.
That's what's great. They're building an entire supply chain of parts ready for the garage mechanic if they want.
 

ttystikk

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Ford sold out of their entire supply of electric crate motors in a few weeks. No word on when round 2 comes along, but you can bet as long as there are production ready units needing them, crate motors will come along at a few hundred per year, give or take.
Doesn't surprise me. They need all the batteries they can get for production right now.
 
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