The 12-12 From Seed Thread

Youknowwhoiam

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What sort of wattage would be best to use, for 5 plants for example?
Rule of thumb as far as I`m led to believe is 100w minimum for the first plant then 50w for every other, but this can differ if your running perpetually as all the girls should be at differing stages, I ran 2 125w cfls for 4 plants and had no issues. So I`d say around the 300w mark it where to be IMHO.

From everything I've seen and heard from people who have done both hydro grows faster and more vigorous especially in veg. I can't say that people are unilaterally getting bigger harvests in soil per se. I think it would take more veg time in soil to get a plant capable of getting the yield a hydro plant could in a shorter time. So if you are talking about weight per time, I'd say for sure hydro wins. But there are so many ways people grow, and so many reasons people grow. I grow for myself in a small closet. Others grow for profit in warehouses. I grow in my bedroom closet and I work from home/ am home all the damn time. Others see their plants once a week. So many factors to which is better and which will even work for a situation. So it's a complicated issue.



Haha... it's funny cuz I always thought hydro was more work. I started hydro and ran that for 3+ years, then went to soil. Honestly I find soil SOOOOO much more work, and needing of attention. I am constantly having to remember to water my plants. Watering is a bit of a pain, and the soil is all over, have to store shit on my deck, blah, blah. I am not trying to complain, just saying to me it's so much more of a hassle soil is.

Hydro, sure you can complicate the shit out of it... but really, what I strived for was a setup that would handle itself. I had things pretty dialed in before I took it down to try soil. I would add water once a week, maybe twice. Nutes every two weeks or so. Only gave them nutes a few times really. Stopped giving them anything after 5 weeks flowering. And I loved the sound of a waterfall in the room. I left my hydro going for either 12 or 14 days (i forget which) completely on it's own and everything was fine, except the plants grew out of control. I didn't check pH or water temps. I kinda figured out a regular pattern and just estimated everything. Low maintinance just the way I like it.

Saying all that, I'm just starting to smoke my first soil harvest the past few days and WOW is the taste difference something. Hard to explain, but I am really digging the soil taste and smell. Smells more natural. Have to laugh at the yeild though. I don't think I cracked 0.2 g/w. :shock: However... I'm going with soil another round at least. Try to tame the beast.
Hmmmm not as much work as I thought, with me tho I have to research loads before taking the plunge (no pun intended) it took 6 months of intense reading and research before I switched to LEDs.

I may look into it a little deeper if I ever get a bigger tent but for now I`m happy with soil, I find with soil grown bud the taste is more musky and defined, like you said its more natural from them to grow in soil. When it comes to yields I don`t see an issue with whatever`s pulled as long as it gets you to the next harvest.

Keep it green and if anyone`s in the UK enjoy today`s Bank Holiday
 

Youknowwhoiam

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Very nice supchaka, I`m also 7 weeks in today with my Orange Bud but I wont upload any pics for a while as this threads become very me me me me me lol.... Opps :o
 

Youknowwhoiam

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Don't be shy, it keeps the thread active and looking at bud porn never gets boring!
Oh ok then if you say so, twist my arm !!!


Dutch Passion Orange Bud 7 weeks Flower today, the pistils have just started to turn orange but only a small percent, looking forward to seeing how orange she goes as she has a shit load of pistils and a fair amount of frosting. Taking her out of the tent to take pics I noticed the orange scent properly for the first time and it was very sweet smelling, excuse the out of focus close up !!!




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TH Seeds Critical Hog 6 weeks flower today, all I`m going to say about her is TRICHOMES !!!


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Grand Daddy Purp Candyland 55 days FS 20 days flower, she`s doing ok could be better but she sits at the back of the tent and doesn`t really get the light she deserves, my own fault for being so greedy in this space but next weekend she should get her OWN ufo as the Orange Bud is due down soon.


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hsfkush

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Oh ok then if you say so, twist my arm !!!


Dutch Passion Orange Bud 7 weeks Flower today, the pistils have just started to turn orange but only a small percent, looking forward to seeing how orange she goes as she has a shit load of pistils and a fair amount of frosting. Taking her out of the tent to take pics I noticed the orange scent properly for the first time and it was very sweet smelling, excuse the out of focus close up !!!




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TH Seeds Critical Hog 6 weeks flower today, all I`m going to say about her is TRICHOMES !!!


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Grand Daddy Purp Candyland 55 days FS 20 days flower, she`s doing ok could be better but she sits at the back of the tent and doesn`t really get the light she deserves, my own fault for being so greedy in this space but next weekend she should get her OWN ufo as the Orange Bud is due down soon.


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You are seriously making me consider buying an LED panel and a few UFO's to boot...
 

Youknowwhoiam

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You are seriously making me consider buying an LED panel and a few UFO's to boot...
Thanks mate, I was also skeptical about led so I only brought 1 to see what it was all about.

Looking back I kinda wished I'd got a 300w panel as they really do perform, but I settled with another 90w.

Here's a link to mine http://www.prakasa.co.uk/90w-led-grow-lights-by-prakasa

Their comparison to 200w hids or similar I agree with from my exp using them, they are well built and have decent diodes in the correct nm scale, the saving on electric is clear to see too. The only downfall for me no heat and that's a pita in winter months as my tents in the loft. If it wasnt I can't see an issue with temps whatsoever.
 

hsfkush

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Thanks mate, I was also skeptical about led so I only brought 1 to see what it was all about.

Looking back I kinda wished I'd got a 300w panel as they really do perform, but I settled with another 90w.

Here's a link to mine http://www.prakasa.co.uk/90w-led-grow-lights-by-prakasa

Their comparison to 200w hids or similar I agree with from my exp using them, they are well built and have decent diodes in the correct nm scale, the saving on electric is clear to see too. The only downfall for me no heat and that's a pita in winter months as my tents in the loft. If it wasnt I can't see an issue with temps whatsoever.
That's awesome, thanks for the info! I'd rep you but I've already done it recently apparently lol.

I think I will get two of these as they're quite cheap as well compared to what I've been seeing for other 90w UFO's. Less heat is also a massive bonus for me, as my grow room is a closet behind my houses hot water tank lol. It can get very very warm in there some times, I've hit the mid 90's once or twice so I've defoliated a little for air flow which brings the temps down to the low 80's if I leave the door open for extended periods of time lol.
 

hsfkush

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I've a question regarding nutrients. I'm currently only using Canna Coco A+B with my Canna Coco medium, is there anything which you guys could recommend to me as an extra to those two? I'd prefer to stick with the Canna line as that's all I know and it serves me well enough.
 

zVice

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Canna is great, rhiz is excellent for root development, it's quite pricey though and there are some alternatives
also cannazym or equivalent is good for breaking down old roots, this assists with nutrient uptake
and finally a bit of pk boost, hammerhead 4/10 is good, avoid the higher ratios and use every second feed instead of once or twice as instructed.

Usually use rhiz at the start and fade it out towards the end and the zym is the other way use more towards the end

with the above have had my best results to date
 

Serial Violator

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I seem to have some little black flies that have laid eggs on the underneath of the leaves on my off my outside plants. I don't want to spray anything on it as it doesn't have long left, shall I just wipe the leaves with soapy water??? Any help would be great
 

zVice

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del always swore by neem, used it right up until harvest
got any pics of the infestation?


I seem to have some little black flies that have laid eggs on the underneath of the leaves on my off my outside plants. I don't want to spray anything on it as it doesn't have long left, shall I just wipe the leaves with soapy water??? Any help would be great
 
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