The closet zen garden of perpetual enlightenment

Penny wise said:

[QUOTE="joespit, post: 10970692, If I didn't have such an awful experience the a RDWC set up I would just make the 800 pump external.

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If you don't mind what was your bad experience? I am planing on going external would love to know what to watch out for[/QUOTE]

leaks, leaks, and more leaks, on uni-seals and bulk heads, it got soo bad I even tried fiber glassing the seals to the buckets, not to mention the incessant whirr of the airstones. Check out the post " harvest a pound every three weeks" by stinkbud, my set up is based on that, it's the only way to do indoor hydro. Thus far, and I know it's only been a few weeks, but this has been the simplest and what appears to be healthiest and strongest in terms of growth rate.

I would still like to try and make my pump external at some point just to completely get rid of all reservoir heat issues, but as is with a 130 gph submersible pump, I only have to add a frozen 2 liter bottle once every 5-6 days when it comes close to 80 degree water temp.

so I'd recommend using bulkheads over uni-seals but remember with any rig Keep It Super Simple(K.I.S.S) as a rule

Those are some pretty cool shots!

This grow is going off!



And I've barley done a thing


Here is how the FIMing has been going


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I also started LST'ing them today with a lil strip of duct tape on a fan leaf, soon I'll be super cropping and then scroging

Few notes:

With the res at 5gal the water does heat up quicker making the frozen water bottle needing to be administered ever 2-3 days.

Also my room is running a lil hot around 84 degrees on average so I totally need to add an exhaust fan soon. I was thinking of using a 220mm CPU fan that pushes 150+\- cfm. What do yous guys think if my flower chamber is 77cubic feet? Also I'd like to have the option to run a carbon filter as this will be my largest grow, do yous thinks a fan of that caliber could handle the room and carbon filter?

joespit said:

This grow is going off!

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And I've barley done a thing
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Here is how the FIMing has been going

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I also started LST'ing them today with a lil strip of duct tape on a fan leaf, soon I'll be super cropping and then scroging

Few notes:

With the res at 5gal the water does heat up quicker making the frozen water bottle needing to be administered ever 2-3 days.

Also my room is running a lil hot around 84 degrees on average so I totally need to add an exhaust fan soon. I was thinking of using a 220mm CPU fan that pushes 150+\- cfm. What do yous guys think if my flower chamber is 77cubic feet? Also I'd like to have the option to run a carbon filter as this will be my largest grow, do yous thinks a fan of that caliber could handle the room and carbon filter?

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Everything is looking clean man! I don't think a CPU fan will be able to handle the force needed for a carbon scrubber. A centrifugal type fan will be able to handle the added stress of a carbon filter. IMO a CPU fan would be cool for a simple air exchange but that is about it. Personally I've never used a CPU fan but hey give it shot who knows.

I use to keep my rez at 5 gallon then 10 gallons and now 20 gallons I haven't added any more plants but I feel like it is a lot easier to maintain the PH and temperature with the 20 gal. Not sure how long of a veg you are planning but in the summer and while flowering my plants can drink a couple gallons a day. At one point this summer I was topping off with 5 gallons everyday.

Very clean room BTW. I think that is an aspect that is over looked in a lot of grow rooms.

yktind said:

Everything is looking clean man! I don't think a CPU fan will be able to handle the force needed for a carbon scrubber. A centrifugal type fan will be able to handle the added stress of a carbon filter. IMO a CPU fan would be cool for a simple air exchange but that is about it. Personally I've never used a CPU fan but hey give it shot who knows.

I use to keep my rez at 5 gallon then 10 gallons and now 20 gallons I haven't added any more plants but I feel like it is a lot easier to maintain the PH and temperature with the 20 gal. Not sure how long of a veg you are planning but in the summer and while flowering my plants can drink a couple gallons a day. At one point this summer I was topping off with 5 gallons everyday.

Very clean room BTW. I think that is an aspect that is over looked in a lot of grow rooms.

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Thanks pal,
I'm pretty much only tidy in the grow room, if I were to turn the camera around, it's chaos

Yeah I was thinking the conventional fan style wouldn't muster it, have any good recommendations on a good inline fan that's nice and quite as the closet is my bedroom?

joespit said:

Thanks pal,
I'm pretty much only tidy in the grow room, if I were to turn the camera around, it's chaos

Yeah I was thinking the conventional fan style wouldn't muster it, have any good recommendations on a good inline fan that's nice and quite as the closet is my bedroom?

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Well I don't have any experience with a super quiet fan, haha. GF says it sounds like a wind tunnel in that room. I can't even hear it anymore. Like ambient noise. I do know there are brands out there that claim to be the quietest and most efficient, etc. Personally I'm a cheap ass so I'll find the most expensive and then the cheapest and then read a shit ton of reviews on the medium to low end. I think mine was around 114 bucks or something. I've seen them get over $250.

I recommend getting an alarm that sounds like a screaming jet about to hit the speed of sound and set that for your alarm everyday. Then when you get a fan it will be a relief compared to the jet engine, lol. They really aren't that bad. If smell isn't a concern, I'd say screw it and just stick to the CPU fan until you feel like you need to upgrade.

yktind said:

Well I don't have any experience with a super quiet fan, haha. GF says it sounds like a wind tunnel in that room. I can't even hear it anymore. Like ambient noise. I do know there are brands out there that claim to be the quietest and most efficient, etc. Personally I'm a cheap ass so I'll find the most expensive and then the cheapest and then read a shit ton of reviews on the medium to low end. I think mine was around 114 bucks or something. I've seen them get over $250.

I recommend getting an alarm that sounds like a screaming jet about to hit the speed of sound and set that for your alarm everyday. Then when you get a fan it will be a relief compared to the jet engine, lol. They really aren't that bad. If smell isn't a concern, I'd say screw it and just stick to the CPU fan until you feel like you need to upgrade.

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true, I'm not sure if smell will be an issue, but this is the most plants I've grown thus far (5) so I assume it'll stink, just hope it's not the whole apartment building! But I'm Joanna start small with CPU fan just to get temps low and move up only if it out stinks the incense I'll be burning incessantly

Woah.. duct tape for LST..

Why didn't I think of that ?.. Ya learn something every day.

11/7/12

Phenotype awareness day

Seems like everyday these girls make me feel like a proud papa. I'm going to be documenting the differences between pheonotypes so I can have something to look back on when I decide which plant will ultimately be made perpetually immortal.



As they've out grown the fan leaves I was using to LST them I decided to take it off as to compare the phenos and as you can see there is a gamit of differences.


Plant specimen #1) Looks like a good hybrid but i think it is just slightly sativa dominant, however it's leaves are very silky almost like fely to the touch and it has a fatter serration on the leaf. Also a few of the leaves appear to be bending inwards. This could just be a nutrient problem but all new growth seems strong.



Plant specimen #2) the smallest of them all this plant shows good hybridization and the leaves have a shark like serration. It looks as if this plants leaves may be curling over and into it self. But I like to be optimistic about this one as a small plant I think may do better in this environment,



Plant specimen #3) is the largest of all the plants and has the most sativa dominant traits to it however it looks like it does not like the heat, you can see the leaf serrations turning up, as I've yet to install an exhaust fan in the closet (will do this weekish) so the temps have been mid to high 80's. Sure to be the largest plant.


Plant specimen #4) is a good hybrid that I think leans more towards indica slightly. Good broad leaves and looks bushier than the sativa-er variety. Its roots are the most veracious as it is the 1st and thus far only plant that cannot be removed as roots are too massive.

Plant specimen #5) the most indica looking of the fun bunch it is also the bushiest with very little inter-nodal stretch very broad fern like leaves

To reiterate I'm growing strawberry haze from greenhouse seeds(feminized) heres the review from leafy:
"Arjan's Strawberry Haze was created by Arjan and introduced on the market in 2006. In 2005, Strawberry Haze won 1st prize at the Green House Very Important Smokers Panel.

The buds of Strawberry Haze smell of strawberries and provide a sweet taste, which is heightened when roots are given free reign in soil. It is characterized as a tall plant with long branches. It is a simple plant to grow and maintain, as it is known to be adaptable to humidity. Flowering time is approximately 10 weeks with a THC level up to 20% and CBD of 1.2%."

which is your favorite of the bunch?

My pick is number 4. Can I put in a parlet?

yktind said:

My pick is number 4. Can I put in a parlet?

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Man I'm not sure if you have something paranormal about you but you're one keen motha' F...


..I'm just sayin you nailed it, number 4 is a great specimen!

I changed out the water yesterday and bumped up the ppm to 900 (about 800ppm veg+bloom 100ppm cha-Ching)

I've been procrastinating my trip to Home Depot to get supplies for scrog&a double cloner/veg box but I have to do it tomorrow it looks as now that I've added my 400w HPS they're going nuts and I'll be starting flower sometime this week once I start some clones

Good things

joespit said:

Man I'm not sure if you have something paranormal about you but you're one keen motha' F...
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..I'm just sayin you nailed it, number 4 is a great specimen!

I changed out the water yesterday and bumped up the ppm to 900 (about 800ppm veg+bloom 100ppm cha-Ching)

I've been procrastinating my trip to Home Depot to get supplies for scrog&a double cloner/veg box but I have to do it tomorrow it looks as now that I've added my 400w HPS they're going nuts and I'll be starting flower sometime this week once I start some clones

Good things

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My suggestion would be to take clones of each and then finish out flower. If you have a patio put the losers out there. The winner can be kept for more clones. What do you expect you're flower time to be?

yktind said:

My suggestion would be to take clones of each and then finish out flower. If you have a patio put the losers out there. The winner can be kept for more clones. What do you expect you're flower time to be?

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It's like a 10 week flower period... so i think I'll be cycling out my veg and cloner systems (once they're built) and make a whole lot of juiced hemp until the 10 weeks are up

11/13/14

Welcome to perpetual scrog county!



Shiiiit has today been a project day!

I made a frog net for the flower part, it's about 3x2. Also I've never scrounged before any tips?

I also made the veg side of the closet complete! I made a areo box out of 2 18gal Rubbermaid roughnecks. I was hoping I could fit a veg box and cloner box(bucket) but just not enough space but I figure I could use the veg box for cloning as well, although I know there will be problems with the nuits but we'll see I guess. Also I think the veg box might be a bit of a pain to use because of water stuff but it's built and tested and no leaks so I'm going to be using it until I can figure something better.

11.19.14



They're coming out!

well I'm 4 days into flowering and these girls are getting their beauty sleep. Since last I've installed a few new things in the room including the scrog net, a 4" 177CFM fan that blows into the walls of my apartment building, I'm not sure once they start to get smelly where that scent will go, I think mostly to attic/crawlspace above but I'll probably get a carbon filter just in case it starts coming out of downstairs neighbors light switches

But here they are one by one:


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That fanleaf has 11 leaf dealies!!!

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All are doing really well. #4 is still the grower and still my best canidate thusly for perp cloning, where #2 is a lil shrimp and I think if I dont scrog correctly will be overtaken from the growth of 1 & 3 and will probably not produce.

So in the veg room I scrapped the clone for #2 and cut a new #4

Which is why the one on the bottom right is droopy, its a fresh clone.

But my cloner/veg is starting to show signs of needing to be re designed already. The water solution in it is just pH balanced water and about ~100mL of clonex. It has a 200GPH pump submerged in it and today I started to smell a funk. I haven't been frozen water bottling it because its a pain to put'em in and pull'em out, but now I must I guess. So I put a bigger hole in the top tub.

None of the clones show signs of rooting with possible exception to #2...which I noticed as I threw it in the compost bin

That's really the only thing I would change in these set ups is the submerged pumps. I will definitely be figuring a way to externalize these and simultaneously get over my fears of bulkheads and uniseals that was instilled upon me in my RDWC failures. But then again StinkBud says Keep It Super Simple.

You don't have to ph your water for your clones because your plants are not up taking anything. They are trying to proudce roots. Good ol fashion tap water will do the trick wich I always use. I also did a comparison with using clonex vs tap water and I really didn't see no difference. So I don't use clonex solution anymore.

sky rocket said:

You don't have to ph your water for your clones because your plants are not up taking anything. They are trying to proudce roots. Good ol fashion tap water will do the trick wich I always use. I also did a comparison with using clonex vs tap water and I really didn't see no difference. So I don't use clonex solution anymore.

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Well that's good news as I forgot to pH balance the res after refilling it. All the clones are perky but no roots showing yet :/

Oh well one is looking funky the root stem is engorged and white but it doesn't look like roots, and the leafs are starting to look off..I'll post a pic soon. I can't help but feel I, doing something wrong

I just changed it out for another clone, but does this look how it's supposed to?

11.23.14

Today I noticed the plants in the flower side have sucked up about half their res in about 4-5 days. So since I'll be going out of town for 2 weeks later this week I decided to give a reservoir change.

As I move more into flower my nutrient regimen now consist of:

1tsp per/gallon of [hydroponic research]Veg+Bloom (8-15-13)
1tsp per/5gallon of [hydroponic research]+size (0-11-11)
1/4tsp per/gallon of [fox farm]chaching (9-50-10)

All together totaling ~720PPM

Last week I had the PPM @~900 which was mostly made up of Veg+bloom with some cha-ching.

I think I'm starting to get a tad "lost" with these nuits. I wanted to do the res change today as I'll be out of town for two weeks, I can see over the next 3-4 days how they react to this weeks lower ppm, but more complex soup.

but if anyone actually knows what I should be doing please help a brother out


also, in the veg room I swapped out the tap water for some fresher tap water and I think I'm starting to see those white dots develop on some clone stalks. Pics to come!

12.4.14



2 away


After being out of town for a week, I;ve stepped back to my pad for just a few hours before I have to catch another plane, but this closet is coming and coming on strong! My friend who I had watch the plants didn't even really watch them. He came to check on them yesterday so they had about a week all alone and everything has been running swimmingly!

So in my brief stay today, in the flower chamber I've changed out the water and increased the PPM's slightly to ~900 with Hydro-researches veg+bloom+size and FF chaching. Below is a pic of the before and after of setting nodes in the scrog.





Everything is growing amazingly #4&#5 are great specimens as 4 is the perfect hybrid, a lil stretch and a lil bushy, while 5 is a nice shrub. As I'm growing in this small space #5 can look promising.



on the veg side everything is growing beautifully as well. nice white root systems are forming on all of the cloned and leaflets are sprouting as expected, so this week I've upped the ppm to ~380 with just veg+bloom


These stinkbud systems are working phenomenally. These plants went for a week with no one ever laying eyes on them and they grew like they were were outdoor soil...figuratively speaking.

So now I'm off to Barcelona for a week, I'll be smoking some nice hashish, and know that everything is gonna be alright.