The Impact of Whiny Bernie Babies

Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
The last 6 presidential elections (up until Trump) went for the dem candidate. I would not call that a firm conservative state, no.
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The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General, both houses and the majority of reps in the House of Representatives in DC are Republican. All of those positions were filled by people who voted for Republicans. The Governor has filled appointed seats with Republicans. Michigan is firmly under the control of Republicans.

Two senators from MI are Democrats. So, not all elected officials are Republican but damn man, Michigan votes for a lot of them.

To bolster your case, you cite Obama. Also past elections where Democrats were elected as if that were relevant today.

OK, so maybe Michigan isn't 2/3 GOP. 60%, then. Is that OK?

If the state isn't lost to right wing dementia then it's on it's way. Maybe some people should stop whining about people posting the obvious and start doing something to change the trend. Michigan is controlled by Republicans and the next redistricting is in 2020. They will be locked into power for the foreseeable future if they have their way.
 
st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General, both houses and the majority of reps in the House of Representatives in DC are Republican. All of those positions were filled by people who voted for Republicans. The Governor has filled appointed seats with Republicans. Michigan is firmly under the control of Republicans.

Two senators from MI are Democrats. So, not all elected officials are Republican but damn man, Michigan votes for a lot of them.

To bolster your case, you cite Obama. Also past elections where Democrats were elected as if that were relevant today.

OK, so maybe Michigan isn't 2/3 GOP. 60%, then. Is that OK?

If the state isn't lost to right wing dementia then it's on it's way. Maybe some people should stop whining about people posting the obvious and start doing something to change the trend. Michigan is controlled by Republicans and the next redistricting is in 2020. They will be locked into power for the foreseeable future if they have their way.
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There were 4.5 million votes cast state wide this last election for the state house races, and republicans received 4,000 more votes combined than their dem counterparts. That's not a "solid majority". Obama carried Michigan 54% to 44% in 2012. It's a wing state, that has supported the dem candidate for potus 6 elections in a row (until Trump).
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
There were 4.5 million votes cast state wide this last election for the state house races, and republicans received 4,000 more votes combined than their dem counterparts. That's not a "solid majority". Obama carried Michigan 54% to 44% in 2012. It's a wing state, that has supported the dem candidate for potus 6 elections in a row (until Trump).
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Republicans control Michigan's government totally. Michigan was one of the key swing states that are the reason why we have Trump in the WH. Republicans dominate Michigan's politics.

But I concede that you are correct in saying the people of Michigan aren't totally right wing in their political alignment. I wouldn't normally look into Michigan politics but I can thank you for motivating me to challenge my assumptions. State control by GOP during apportionment and gerrymandering by Republicans have defeated democracy in Michigan.

Once again, Michigan Dems receive more votes in the State House, but Republicans hold onto power
https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/once-again-michigan-dems-receive-more-votes-in-the-state-house-but-republicans-hold-onto-power/Content?oid=2472685
In 2014 and 2016, Democrats received more votes or nearly split the tally in the State House races, yet Republicans hold a huge 63-47 majority and push a deeply conservative agenda that a majority of voters don't want.

From afar, it seems Michigan is moving next to Mississippi but that's just the result of shenanigans by the ruling right. Closer inspection says not completely true.

So let's just hang onto this thought the next time Pad or you get all up in a lather about Clinton losing the national election. Yes, Clinton lost the EC and Yes, Republicans dominate Michigan politics. Both of these are facts because GOP uses undemocratic methods to maintain control. Let's put gerrymandering up there with campaign finance reform as an evil that needs to be corrected.
 
GuerillaGanjaGrower

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UncleBuck said:
i didn't link them, they are just good buddies.

convicted pedophile jeffrey epstein is a member at mar a lago.

trump has talked about how they are good friends.

epstein had to plead the fifth when asked if he and trump had ever hung around together with underage girls.

trump hired the judge who let epstein basically walk on pedophilia charges.

a judge found good cause to let a case go forward last year in which the defendant stated under oath that trump repeatedly raped her at jeffrey epstein's house.

trump is a fucking pedophile. just like epstein. that hammer is about to fall too.
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Too bad nothing means anything anym
blu3bird said:
I seriously doubt Michigan would have voted for Bernie. Regardless of what any polls or MSM want you to believe, Michigan is really conservative with the exception of a few cities like Detroit, Flint and Muskegon. I believe the upper peninsula is somewhat liberal though, about 50/50 liberal/conservative.

Pretty much the whole west side of the state (anywhere west of Flint) are people from Dutch immigrants, super conservative and religious.

So much religious conservative nonsense that Grand Rapids, the second largest city in Michigan (west side of the state) has a nudity ban on strip clubs in the city, they are just basically bikini bars. No titty city. The Devos's and Van Andel's have huge influence on politics in Michigan. The GOP headquarters building is also in Grand Rapids. I'm willing to bet that pretty much 2/3 of Michigan is easily conservative.
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What you say is true but Bernie won Michigan during the primary and the unions and blue collar jobs would have gotten on board with Bernie.
 
GuerillaGanjaGrower

GuerillaGanjaGrower

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Fogdog said:
lol

You think Bernie is great. Bernie would have won. Obviously. How adorable.

This myth of rigged is pretty funny too. Bernie lost the primary because he was trounced in the South. He lost so badly that he was never able to recover. A large proportion of Democratic voters in the south are African American and Bernie hardly managed 20% of that vote. He also lost badly in Hispanic and women demographics. Across the country thereafter the trend was the same. By the end of the primary, Bernie wasn't even close. He lost by 12% of the Democratic vote. Rigging an election by that wide a margin? really? I know you aren't convinced, so let's go a bit deeper into why Bernie lost.

African Americans, Hispanics and women gave Clinton the majority of their delegations' vote by a wide margin. The only demographic that Bernie consistently polled well in was young white men. As I said earlier, Sanders was pasted in the South. Also lost bigly across the nation in the same Demographics that handed him the big losses in the south. Everybody had access to the same information. If the election was rigged, how come only African Americans, Hispanics and women were affected by this presumably evil act of rigging. If your theory is true, then why is it that only young white men weren't affected?

Maybe they weren't watching that debate where one obvious question was leaked and the entire primary was lost. (snicker)

So, tell me, how was it that only young white men weren't affected by rigged?
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And no mention of the real reason she won the corrupt superdelegates. Bernie came back from the loss in the south and swept the midwest, the west, and the northeast. I believe he had more votes than her going into the convention until the superdelegates voted. All major population centers preferred Bernie over Hillary. Every poll showed Bernie beating Trump head to head by a way wider margin than Hillary. I don't mean it was rigged by changing votes it was rigged because the leadership gave the allusion like the primary voters mattered to choosing the Democratic candidate when they clearly did not because of superdelegates.
 
Fogdog

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GuerillaGanjaGrower said:
Obama even turned Indiana in 08 that is even more conservative than Michigan.
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Oh, hi,

I'm so glad you and I meet again. I was anxiously waiting to hear back from you regarding our discussion about rigged democratic primary.

You know, the one where you said that young white men were immune to the evil DNC leaking one obvious debate question. You know, the really obvious question that was to be asked at a debate and leaking that question rigged the primary for Clinton about 6 months later. According to you, about 70% of all African Americans were completely taken in and voted for Clinton whereas young white men were able to see their way to voting for Bernie. African Americans, Hispanics and women all voted for Clinton by wide margins. Yet young white men voted predominately for Clinton. But they all were exposed to that answer Clinton gave to the leaked debate question. It must have been a doozy of an answer to have such a large effect.

I'm wondering if you could explain this apparent contradiction in your argument. Is it because young white men are much smarter than women, Hispanics and African Americans.

I sure hope you can explain this apparent contradiction in your story.

Thanks. Have a great day. :hug:
 
GuerillaGanjaGrower

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londonfog said:
I think Bernie should let all the Bernie Babies have a weekend at his lakefront home to celebrate the burn and summer.

WEEK END @ BERNIES LAKE FRONT HOME FREAK AND BARBECUE PARTY
Bring your own booze and then share it with everyone
Food will be provided by someone else
Cost : Free if you can get someone to give you a dollar.
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This is
londonfog said:
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He makes almost 200,000 a year as a senator. He served 1 6 year term and is doing another. You do the math.
 
GuerillaGanjaGrower

GuerillaGanjaGrower

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Fogdog said:
Oh, hi,

I'm so glad you and I meet again. I was anxiously waiting to hear back from you regarding our discussion about rigged democratic primary.

You know, the one where you said that young white men were immune to the evil DNC leaking one obvious debate question. You know, the really obvious question that was to be asked at a debate and leaking that question rigged the primary for Clinton about 6 months later. According to you, about 70% of all African Americans were completely taken in and voted for Clinton whereas young white men were able to see their way to voting for Bernie. African Americans, Hispanics and women all voted for Clinton by wide margins. Yet young white men voted predominately for Clinton. But they all were exposed to that answer Clinton gave to the leaked debate question. It must have been a doozy of an answer to have such a large effect.

I'm wondering if you could explain this apparent contradiction in your argument. Is it because young white men are much smarter than women, Hispanics and African Americans.

I sure hope you can explain this apparent contradiction in your story.

Thanks. Have a great day. :hug:
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Instead of trolling me read my response to you. The argument you made completely ignored the real reason the election was rigged. Hope you get a chance to read that. Sorry I was working all day instead of trolling on the internet. I was teaching new young Americans about our government and history. Hope you had a productive day!

P.S. More women voted for Trump than Hillary explain that contradiction genius.
 
Fogdog

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GuerillaGanjaGrower said:
And no mention of the real reason she won the corrupt superdelegates. Bernie came back from the loss in the south and swept the midwest, the west, and the northeast. I believe he had more votes than her going into the convention until the superdelegates voted. All major population centers preferred Bernie over Hillary. Every poll showed Bernie beating Trump head to head by a way wider margin than Hillary. I don't mean it was rigged by changing votes it was rigged because the leadership gave the allusion like the primary voters mattered to choosing the Democratic candidate when they clearly did not because of superdelegates.
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Umm well, actually superdelegates voted exactly according to the primary vote.

It's just that African Americans, Hispanics and women all voted for Hillary by wide margins everywhere. Just young white men voted for Bernie in large numbers. Bernie won a quite a few states by small margins but not enough to overcome the pounding he took in the south, mainly because the south has larger proportion of African American Democratic Party voters. Nobody can win the Democratic nomination without polling high numbers of African Americans, Hispanics and women. Clinton did well with them, just not young white males. So, why were they not affected by the "rigged" debate question? Are you claiming some sort of superior ability to process knowlege by young white males?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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GuerillaGanjaGrower said:
Instead of trolling me read my response to you. The argument you made completely ignored the real reason the election was rigged. Hope you get a chance to read that. Sorry I was working all day instead of trolling on the internet. I was teaching new young Americans about our government and history. Hope you had a productive day!

P.S. More women voted for Trump than Hillary explain that contradiction genius.
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I had a wonderful day, thanks.

I didn't know that daycare taught government and history. I'd like to learn more about this.

Anyway, you see, Bernie and Hillary ran against each other in the primary. Hillary and Donald ran against each other in the main election. So, Hillary did better with the women's vote against Bernie in the primary. Which has no bearing on the main election.

The contradiction in your theory about rigged election is that the nefarious debate question upon which the whole primary rested, according to your thesis, should have affected all groups about equally. Yet, 70% of African Americans voted for Clinton, 60% of Hispanics voted for Clinton and about 53% of women voted for Clinton. Males, especially white males and super especially young white males voted for Bernie. I don't understand how the leaking of one debate question could cause such skewed results unless you are claiming inferiority of Blacks, Hispanics and women. .
 
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GuerillaGanjaGrower

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Fogdog said:
Umm well, actually superdelegates voted exactly according to the primary vote.

It's just that African Americans, Hispanics and women all voted for Hillary by wide margins everywhere. Just young white men voted for Bernie in large numbers. Bernie won a quite a few states by small margins but not enough to overcome the pounding he took in the south, mainly because the south has larger proportion of African American Democratic Party voters. Nobody can win the Democratic nomination without polling high numbers of African Americans, Hispanics and women. Clinton did well with them, just not young white males. So, why were they not affected by the "rigged" debate question? Are you claiming some sort of superior ability to process knowlege by young white males?
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Again, you missed the point. Most delegates had their minds made up long before the primary was held in their state. Clinton was hand picked before Obama even left office. But no comments on that huh? The only thing I am claiming is THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANY OTHER CHOICE BUT CLINTON FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. You can't disprove that with you rants and misconceptions.
 
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