The Most Important Person Who Ever Lived....???
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Germanic history in england?
The people were celtic, invaded by Romans, then Germans. Then the Germans ruled for a little while, then the Norman French.
They never had self rule, as germnas.
desert dude
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Isaac Newton. Dude was a genius of the first order. The world would have been just fine without him, though. Personally, I don't think any single person in history is indispensable.
Dr Kynes
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check your history.
after rome left britain it was still britain.
it was then invaded by angles (scandinavian germans) saxons (germans from germany) normans (germans who had previously invaded france) Danes (germans from just south of scandinavia) etc etc etc etc.
Protip: "German" is derived from "Germanicus", the name rome gave to the leader of a barbarian horde that swarmed down from scandinavia during the end of the Roman Warm Period, when the northlands had amassed a population far to large to survive on their now-cooling northern territory, who moved south looking for new territory to conquer.
the gauls were overrun by "germans", who settled, set up shop, and basically eliminated the celtic civilization with their patriarchal system (celtic inheritance was matrilinear), and their scandinavian based culture.
as rome's power went into decline, even more delightful invasions from scandinavia took place, including the vandals, the visigoths, viking raiders, and many many more
with the exeption of the british isles, ireland and the highlands of the iberian peninsula, all western europe became essentially German after the fall of rome, then during the dark ages, the germans took over all of the southern portion of britain, and continued pushing north to hadrian's wall.
today, the only parts of western europe not dominated by germanic culture to one degree or another are the areas rome knew as Caledonia and Hibernia, which is to say, scotland and ireland.
even the english (from "Angleish, or "Angle Land") royal family is not british, but GERMAN, with the decidedly un-british name of "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha"
Britain hasnt had a British king since 441 AD, when the fools gave away half their island to the angles in exchange for protection from the evil picts and scots.
you can google this shit.
I know that's all true. But the rulers were Germnas. The majority of the people remained the indigenous Celts.
Unless you are suggesting they had some massive ethnic cleansing I've never heard about. The germnanic invaders simply dominated politically.
NorthofEngland
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Jesus and Mohammad were both written about in secular accounts - even written of by people who considered them enemies.
I don't believe any of the spiritual stuff but I do know that the historical character of Jesus is about 99.9% certain
and Mohammad was known of by Kings and Emperors even while he still lived.
I'm not aware of any dispute about whether Jesus and/or Muhammad really existed?
There are too many contemporary and near contemporary sources that testify to their existences
AND the sources are VERY DIVERSE.
Dr Kynes
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they dominated politically, overturned the celtic matrilineal system, destroyed the celtic languages and customs, imposed germanic social norms, and transformed all of conquered western europe to their germanic culture.
what do you think "ethnic cleansing" is?
the celtic ethnicity was "Cleansed" from every part of europe, holding on only in the iberian highlands ireland and scotland.
Dr Kynes
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mohammed's existence is factual, the existence of "jesus of nazareth" is dubious at best.
there are ZERO contemporary accounts of his existence, only the fairy stories found in the christian bible.
I took a class in college, the professor was an ardent atheist, but he taught a class on the historical jesus.
Their is direct evidence of the existence of guys like Peter and Paul. We know undoubtedly they existed. Are you saying those two (and the rest of the deciples) died for a dude that didn't exist?
Dr Kynes
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rollajoint
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Tesla
NorthofEngland
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I don't know where to start correcting the gross over simplications or outright mistakes.
Normans were never German.
They were Scandinavians who took a part of France.
Charlamagne ruled an area that included much of modern day France and Germany
but it split up and the division between the speakers of Germanic tongues and Latinate ones crystallised.
"German is derived from Germanicus...."?
Tiberius Germanicus
Scipio Africanus
Claudius Britannicus.
These were honorific titles awarded for military conquests.
As they were passed down to sons, they became accepted as names.
The Romans called much of present day Germany - 'Germania'.
And the idea that Britain was Britain before the Romans came is wrong.
The Romans gave the names
Decided the borders.
The Angles, Saxons and Jutes came between 490-650AD
The Vikings settled between 850-1020AD
After 410AD Britain was made up of dozens of mini-kingdoms.
By about 750AD the HEPTARCHY was established, in England.
Wessex, Sussex, Essex, Kent, Mercia, East Anglia, Northumberland.
Wessex, Sussex, Essex = West/South and East Saxons.
Northumberland was ruled from Viking Jorvik and never considered itself a willing member of a unified England.
When the Normans came one occupation was replaced with another.
NorthofEngland
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Caesar was his family name.
He was in the Julii tribe - hence Julius.
The name Caesar went on to be awarded as a title
because Julius changed everything.
But the idea that Julius Caesar didn't have that name before it was posthumously awarded to him is totally wrong.
And I never said he became Emperor.
He was Dictator for Life and a de facto Emperor.
He adopted his great nephew, Octavius, in his will.
This gave Octavius the right to call himself JULIUS CAESAR
(which is probably how you've mixed it all up).
OCTAVIUS went on to be the first Emperor, or Caesar (pronounced KAISER, in Latin).
and was awarded the name AUGUSTUS.
KAISER and CZAR were both derived from CAESAR
Emperor was derived from the Roman rank of IMPERATOR.
Dr Kynes
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yes. scandinavians who invaded gaul long after the previous invasion of gaul by scandinavians under Germanicus
Charlemagne was king of the Franks, who were in fact NOT a gaulish society, they had long since been subsumed by the Germanic social structure.
yep. germanicus was the leader of the first scandinavian horde the romans ever met, they were distinct from the celts and gauls with whom they were familiar.
then gaul was again invaded by a later horde of "germans" under Brenner, who actually reached italy and rome (google "Brenner Pass" still named after him today.)
the "germans" who settled in gaul after both germanicus and Brenner's invasions were referred to as "germans" (after Germanicus), and generals who were victorious over german uprisings in gaul were often given the cognomen "germanicus" just as quintus caecillus mettellus was given the cognomen "Numidicus" for his victory over the numidians in the second punic war.
yep. thats how it worked.
not until the fall of the republic, and the rise of hereditary titles of nobility.
before the "germans" conquered it, it was called Gaul. it was inhabited by Gauls, who were celtic.
ohh look... a map.
the name given to britainia (land of the britons), and caledonia (scotland) before the romans named it, is lost to history
and these lands had names and borders BEFORE rome re-named them for their use, but those names are largely lost to history. only a few briton place names remain
settled.. lulz.
"Viking" is not a political or social group, it's a profession, it means "Raiding other societies for gold, slaves and food"
Vikings didnt settle shit, sometimes they conquered and stayed, but thats not "settling", nor is it "Viking"
and yet those persons involved in the activity of "Viking" were scandinavians (just like Germanicus of old) and thus "Germanic" in language and culture.
____sex place name = area conquered and ruled by SAXONS
hey look another map...
looks like "Saxony" was in what today we call "Germany"
"_____________Anglia" land conquered by the Angles (from whom the word "England derives)
hey look the Angles are from the Low Countries, the land of the Danes....
Daneland:
the "Normans" (that's North Men BTW) invaded part of france and conquered it, and THEN later invaded Angle Land and conquered that.
Protip: thats why the Norman King was called "William The Conqueror" not "Billy The Settler" or "Bill The Houseguest"
repeating the list of various GERMANIC invasions (scandinavian barbarians with a patrilineal system and distinctly different language and culture from the celts and gauls) does not make me wrong, it makes me RIGHT.
"English" is a germanic based language (just like german, and all the scandinavian languages) with a healthy dose of latin and a pinch of celtic and gaulish language thrown in.
i just didnt want to get that in-depth cuz i know i often get TLDR
now you know
and knowing is half the battle.
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Dr Kynes
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"Imperatus" was not a title, it was an accolade, which could be conferred only by roman soldiers on the battle field to honour a brave, clever and VICTORIOUS commander.
the honoree was permitted to wear a crown of grass from the battlefield during his triumph, which was the only crown rome recognized during the republic.
being proclaimed "Imperatus" was practically mandatory to become Consul, very few Consuls ever got elected without at least once being proclaimed "Imperatus" by his troops, but the honorific was only used in the triumph and in the records of the battle.
cats who had been declared "Imperatus" didnt get to swing that shit around like a title of nobility, or a rank of office. it was even considered Nefas (forbidden by the gods) to wear your grass crown after the triumph, it was usually kept in the family shrine, and burnt during the funeral of the honoree so he could take it with him to the afterlife when he joined his fallen men.
Dr Kynes
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you damn me with faint praise sir.
i am alone in my house for the first time in months.
Be that as it may, though no one is correct 100 percent of the time, even when wrong you sound better than most.you damn me with faint praise sir.
i am alone in my house for the first time in months.
UncleBuck
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i'm really glad kynes got the mark of approval from the board's foremost white supremacist. would be embarrassing to get that kind of endorsement.
Ironic that "the boards foremost white supremacist" doesn't think and has never said that the white race is supreme at anything.