The Yorkshireman
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.....Easy Sae.
Morning mate hows you?.....Easy Sae.
after you telling me about yer gaffer, that doesn't surprise me, lol. I've had less than zero motivation, and I gotta do the vat returns and just can't be arsed. Think I'll start em on Monday, lol., gaffer said lets just not bother!!
Morning mate hows you?
Was looking for you yesterday funnily enough lol, how good are ya with law regarding employers responsibilities? lol
To give you an idea mate ive posted a map that shows our normal delivery area (9 counties) and dont see how they expect us to navigate over 500miles somedays, doing anywhere upto 20 deliveries a day without maps at the very least ( i know sat-navs are considered a luxury) an since i am delivering their goods, to their customers, in their vehicles how they can get out of at least supplying maps. Also they supply us with uniform/vehicles/mapreaders/fuel card/mobile phone/Dart-tag for Dartford river crossing etc but wont supply maps to enable us to get anywhere?? just does'nt seem rightIs it about the sat nav thing sae? I wouldn't imagine that an employer is bound by law to provide his drivers with sat nav's. Not that I know of. I employ engineers, and only if our clients agree to pay us will we provide them with laptops, otherwise they can get there own. However for a delivery company not to have sat navs in this day is just a bit dim (since they are quite cheap).
I would however say that you not having a sat nav would not be grounds for him being able to get rid of you (not that I think that's your issue), but if the demands of his delivery times are such that you struggle without one, then I guess he would have grounds to get rid of you for not being able to meet deadlines.....
If however there is no map in the car, that could be something. If you are not part of a trade union you probably got about 0.fuckall rights anyway.
Is it about the sat nav thing sae? I wouldn't imagine that an employer is bound by law to provide his drivers with sat nav's. Not that I know of. I employ engineers, and only if our clients agree to pay us will we provide them with laptops, otherwise they can get there own. However for a delivery company not to have sat navs in this day is just a bit dim (since they are quite cheap).
I would however say that you not having a sat nav would not be grounds for him being able to get rid of you (not that I think that's your issue), but if the demands of his delivery times are such that you struggle without one, then I guess he would have grounds to get rid of you for not being able to meet deadlines.....
If however there is no map in the car, that could be something. If you are not part of a trade union you probably got about 0.fuckall rights anyway.
Well employment law is what I know the most about, my dad got me into it when I had some problems with the casino. He's represented himself as well as freelance for friends relatives and has won every tribunal case he's undertaken, I think he's done about 9 or so now.how good are ya with law regarding employers responsibilities? lol
And that right there is your defence if they try to sack you for unsatisfactory work standards, they asked you to carry out an 'unreasonable' request based on the logistics of the journey (maps don't account for traffic jams/crashes/diversions).Also they supply us with uniform/vehicles/mapreaders/fuel card/mobile phone/Dart-tag for Dartford river crossing etc but wont supply maps to enable us to get anywhere?? just does'nt seem right
Then by that reasoning why is it not my responsibility to provide a vehicle/phone/fuel card etc?Well employment law is what I know the most about, my dad got me into it when I had some problems with the casino. He's represented himself as well as freelance for friends relatives and has won every tribunal case he's undertaken, I think he's done about 9 or so now.
From a quick read through Sambo's post to get the gist of this delivery thing......
1) The employer is not obliged to provide you with a Sat-Nav in order for you to do your job.
2) The employer is quite within his rights to terminate your employment if you are unable to carry out work to the required standard (making delivery's within the required time).
3) If it necessary for you to use a Sat-Nav in order to carry out your work tasks to the required standard then that Sat-Nav would then become a tax deductible tool.
So yes you need a Sat-Nav but it's nobody's obligation but your's to provide it, because it's a tool of the trade the price you pay out of your own pocket you should be able to retrieved from the tax man.
Lol, well the vehicle shouldn't because that would be fucking ridiculous unless it was like a taxi drivers owner/driver thing but then there should be some negotiation in the wages.Then by that reasoning why is it not my responsibility to provide a vehicle/phone/fuel card etc?
Also this is a direct extract from HSE website under employers responsibilities:
5 Free of charge, provide you with any equipment and protective clothing you need, and ensure it is properly looked after.
I have never been issued a contract(most of the staff havent, the staff that have been issued them nothing in regards to this is mentioned) but there is nothing about it in my Statement of particulars or the company staff handbook, also there is no information/ notices to staff my line manager can provide to me that mentions the subject either wayYou would probably have to read your employment contract as well lad.
For example, a London Taxi (black cab dude) can't realy tell his employer to provide a sat nav when he is supposed to know every street in London and pass an exam (I think). Either way, if it states in your contract you need to know areas as a driver then that could be an issue. But I think Yorkie nailed it, if he is providing everything else, whats the story with putting a 10£ map in off the counties you deliver to...incredible, and unreasonable.