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Opie1971 said:
That depends on just how much pollen gets spread around. Seeds from hermie plants aren't really desirable, because they usually keep the tendacy to keep turning into more hermi-prone plants.
I would pluck all of them off, unless there's just too many, even when you think you have them all, there'll be a few you won't/can't see. If there's really a lot of them, I'd chop, but that's just my opinion.
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Some of the most legendary strains on the market came from accidental pollinations. On about a dozen different occasions I've taken a random 'nanner' from a prized girl in my garden and attempted to extract the pollen to make fem seeds with another prized keeper. The pollen is rarely viable but when it is the crosses are incredible.
 
homebrewer said:
Some of the most legendary strains on the market came from accidental pollinations. On about a dozen different occasions I've taken a random 'nanner' from a prized girl in my garden and attempted to extract the pollen to make fem seeds with another prized keeper. The pollen is rarely viable but when it is the crosses are incredible.
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Yep, your 100% right. But how many of those "accidents" would have been prevented if the grower had known about the nanners?
There's not many growers that strive to get hermies with the thoughts of making the next Gorilla Glue. I wouldn't.

And when you say "prized girl", are you talking about a plant that regularly hermies?
Or is she one of those plants that puts out a few nanners really late in her bloom cycle, as an attempt as a last ditch effort to continue her species? There's a distinct difference. IMO.
 
Opie1971 said:
And when you say "prized girl", are you talking about a plant that regularly hermies?
Or is she one of those plants that puts out a few nanners really late in her bloom cycle, as an attempt as a last ditch effort to continue her species? There's a distinct difference. IMO.
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I took it as a prized girl that is getting the pollen, not one that is throwing nanners.
 
Opie1971 said:
Yep, your 100% right. But how many of those "accidents" would have been prevented if the grower had known about the nanners?
There's not many growers that strive to get hermies with the thoughts of making the next Gorilla Glue. I wouldn't.

And when you say "prized girl", are you talking about a plant that regularly hermies?
Or is she one of those plants that puts out a few nanners really late in her bloom cycle, as an attempt as a last ditch effort to continue her species? There's a distinct difference. IMO.
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I don't breed plants but I dig the process. That is the first I ever heard of nanners being wanted or expected. I mean, a strain that regularly hermies should probably be culled from the gene-pool right?
 
Opie1971 said:
Yep, your 100% right. But how many of those "accidents" would have been prevented if the grower had known about the nanners?
There's not many growers that strive to get hermies with the thoughts of making the next Gorilla Glue. I wouldn't.

And when you say "prized girl", are you talking about a plant that regularly hermies?
Or is she one of those plants that puts out a few nanners really late in her bloom cycle, as an attempt as a last ditch effort to continue her species? There's a distinct difference. IMO.
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Well let's be clear, an occasional 'nanner' isn't a 'hermie'. A plant covered in 'nanners' could be an issue in a room with lots of airflow. An occasional nanner here and there at harvest is not an issue. Like I said, I'll take late 'nanners' from prized keepers and attempt to make crosses with other prized girls in the garden. It only works about 10% of the time (pollen harvested when flowers are fully dry). Why I believe it tends to give amazing results is because a keeper crossed with a keeper is likely going to result in fire AND 90%+ will be female.

Opie1971 said:
They are? Every time? Wish you'd have let me known this sooner.
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Yes. I don't know how picky you are in your garden but I assume you love everything you grow. Two plants that you love crossed together is much more likely to result in progeny that you also love as opposed to using a male you know nothing about.
 
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homebrewer said:
Well let's be clear, an occasional 'nanner' isn't a 'hermie'. A plant covered in 'nanners' could be an issue in a room with lots of airflow. An occasional nanner here and there at harvest is not an issue. Like I said, I'll take late 'nanners' from prized keepers and attempt to make crosses with other prized girls in the garden. It only works about 10% of the time (pollen harvested when flowers are fully dry). Why I believe it tends to give amazing results is because a keeper crossed with a keeper is likely going to result in fire AND 90%+ will be female.
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OK, but isn't there a better than average chance that it will each seed will be a herm though?
 
My best option is to cut it down, I dont want to risk contaminating my new plants. Like I said I have been trimming off and smoking the smaller lower buds and it's good stuff so I should be happy harvesting it now. I'll try and pick off and save some of the nanners, experiment with upcoming plants.
 
H.A.F. said:
OK, but isn't there a better than average chance that it will each seed will be a herm though?
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Dont they turn into a hermie because of stress? That makes sense seeing as what I put this plant thru, almost killed it during transplant and have been doing a good job of cooking it trying to get the light height down. It's not pretty.
 
H.A.F. said:
OK, but isn't there a better than average chance that it will each seed will be a herm though?
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Again, 'herm' is not the same thing as throwing a late 'nanner'. Semantics maybe? Every grower has seen a plant with true intersex traits - pollen sacks growing out of female flowers or hanging down low on the plant. In a rare case maybe you'd take pollen from that single random pollen sack down low and make a cross with it knowing that the progeny may also grow singular random pollen sacks, usually located down low. Those crosses are gambles and only worth the effort if the female is killer. That happens sometimes. Absolutely killer females with that one flaw. IMO, it's worth the gamble for the advanced, attentive gardener.

Two examples of crosses I've made using nanners to cross stellar keepers in my garden. Odds are they're not to everyone's tastes but my patients constantly request these.

Bodhi's silver mountain (nanner plant) x Strawberry diesel from Classic seeds. Silver Strawberries:

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Purple Urkle OG (unknown underground breeder) x Jamaican (seed came from a bag I bought in Ocho Rios). Purple Jamaican:

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BostonBuds said:
Dont they turn into a hermie because of stress? That makes sense seeing as what I put this plant thru, almost killed it during transplant and have been doing a good job of cooking it trying to get the light height down. It's not pretty.
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Yes, my understanding is that they are usually stress induced. That said, it is a stress induced hermaphrodite at that point. Male and female - hermie. You can argue semantics all you want.

My point is that pollen from a (now) hermaphrodite plant seems more likely to pass that trait along than pollen from a male plant would.

So I plant 3 reggies.
One is female, one is male, and one is a late herm, all grown exactly the same.
Is there a difference between the pollen and genetics carried by the male pollen sacks, and the stuff from the nanners?
 
This plant is 1 of 3 from the same bag seed, 2 had become infested with sacs when I flipped to 12/12 so I immediately tossed them. So I really cant complain, at least this plant has usable product.
 
H.A.F. said:
So I plant 3 reggies.
One is female, one is male, and one is a late herm, all grown exactly the same.
Is there a difference between the pollen and genetics carried by the male pollen sacks, and the stuff from the nanners?
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Let's say that your late nanner plant is an outright keeper. Not only is it the best of your seed run but it is good enough to replace another keeper in your garden. The advantage of using pollen from that late nanner keeper (assuming it's viable) is that you know she's fire whereas breeding with that male is a complete shot in the dark. Other than some stem rubs and some visual clues, that male is a wildcard.

Full disclaimer here: there are many ways to make seeds. I think some methods get results quicker than others. To each their own.
 
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