This LED Light claiming 210w draw but 1000w equivilent??

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Abiqua said:
this comparison is invalid. It pretends that an led fixture by wattage alone is the exact same comparable to HID. There are several comparisons left out.

In almost 3 three years I haven't used AC or made a bulb change, how do you calculate that? Have you? that is just one issue of difference. Bag appeal? is for suckers, what ever happened to HEAD fucking Appeal :peace:
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Since I'm still running active AC, I'm expecting to be able to make comparisons there. Bulbs are simple; just add up all the lamps you AREN'T using and add them to the cost of running HID!
 
ttystikk

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Wisher2 said:
so you are basically saying it will be benificial for 6 months ......that is half the year.....how is that not savings.....
or do you need the 600 because it gets cold in the barn......
and honestly there are alot of big grows using LED's ....Heliospectra, Lumigrow, BML......etc.....
but if you would have to use a heater to keep the temps up then I see how it may not be beneficial.....but for the most part usually indoor growers are usually trying to keep the heat down with cooling and whatnot......
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Time to put your thinking cap on; it's a different light so you treat it differently.
 
bravedave

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Abiqua said:
this comparison is invalid. It pretends that an led fixture by wattage alone is the exact same comparable to HID. There are several comparisons left out.

In almost 3 three years I haven't used AC or made a bulb change, how do you calculate that? Have you? that is just one issue of difference. Bag appeal? is for suckers, what ever happened to HEAD fucking Appeal :peace:
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I guess you did not read or understand the whole progression here. My numbers are based on my own reality. My light setup $s included new bulb purchases and I do not run AC either. Your response is invalid...but wait are you saying your stuff lacks bag appeal? ;)
 
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Abiqua

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bravedave said:
I guess you did not read or understand the whole progression here. My numbers are based on my own reality. My light setup $s included new bulb purchases and I do not run AC either. Your response is invalid...but wait are you saying your stuff lacks bag appeal? ;)
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I am saying quantitative analysis of THC and Terpenoids thru GC/HPLC is better than the eyeball method..
.so are you saying good looking pot is better than pot that actually affects your head, I am confused too by your post :)

What if you grow CBD strains? are you growing for bag appeal there too, lol. This is medicine not a lollipop.


I quoted you, my bad, not really directly at you....You need to calculate total costs of both systems to make a correct evaluation. I have seen none.
 
HydroRed

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bravedave said:
Yikes, so about $900 to replace my setup.

Yeah, no. I grow in an unheated barn. My climate has me adding heat for 2/3s of the year so I would be adding significant heat with LEDs. So , about 2 mos. a year it would save me from heat worries 3-4 months a year it might save 50% of my power usage, but most the year would probably be a wash in the power-saving arena. I am just starting my 3rd year with a Quantum 600 digital ballast and some cheapy wing reflector. I have used only 3 bulbs in that ballast. 2mh/1hps. I pulled my first lb in my room with a MH on its fourth grow doing much of the work. That Plantmax bulb cost me < $40.

I know there is a bunch of ways to look at it but... In 2 years I have spent <$300 on lighting equipment. If instead of buying a $900 LED system for 1 room, I set up 3 rooms with 600w MH/HPS...I am pretty sure I eclipse any power saving difference rather quickly.

I think I also just explained why big grows are still not turning to LED.

Thanks for helping me out.
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This is about exactly where I'm at with the HPS/LED debate. It boils down to how you use each one to benefit your situation.
For me to grow in the warmer summer months, I have to use an A/C unit -no matter what light source I use. To use my 8 cob led light during those months is an absolute no brainer. Less electricity from the light itself from the wall, less heat expelled which in turn requires less A/C. The whole snowball effect of running cob led's makes total sense. As for the loss of heat being expelled from led's, this now effects my winter time grows because like @bravedave I too rely on the heat from the lights to keep the room warm. Without the heat from the light, I am forced to run a 1500W space heater throughout the entire day to maintain a good temp and that is completely counter productive on efficiency. My room is fully insulated from top to bottom so my loss is minimal. With my HPS the only time I need to use the heater is during the 12 hrs the light is off during flower. Im using my led's for their first run right now and so far the plants are loving life. As of now both HID and LED hold a solid place in my grow room and both aid in reducing my electronic footprint in my grow room.
 
bravedave

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Abiqua said:
I am saying quantitative analysis of THC and Terpenoids thru GC/HPLC is better than the eyeball method..
.so are you saying good looking pot is better than pot that actually affects your head, I am confused too by your post :)

What if you grow CBD strains? are you growing for bag appeal there too, lol. This is medicine not a lollipop.


I quoted you, my bad, not really directly at you....You need to calculate total costs of both systems to make a correct evaluation. I have seen none.
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You never quoted me and I have not commented at all on quality but if you think your light trumps strain then you would be mistaken.

The premise I started was asking for a specific LED system that would rival my 600w HID and its price. The price was around $900. My total light need purchases (ballast, reflector, bulbs) over 2 years was $300. So I could have bought 3 of those set-ups 2 years ago for the $900 and thus produced 3x more product than the LED. Certainly not touching on all differences, but the impact of any is going to be quickly erased by the quantity advantage of HIDs in this scenario.
 
Wisher2

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bravedave said:
Power usage was not my main issue. Price is.

LED savings on my power bill is certainly going to be undone by producing 3x as much product with the 3 MH/HPS, 600w setups I could afford to buy with the same money as the 1 LED. Get it?

6-8 more lbs produced in a year covers a bunch of power even if we are now comparing 320w to 1800w.

This is where it is relevant to businesses. Both you and are given $10k to start our grows in identical warehouses. You buy 9 320 LEDs. I buy 27 600w MH/HP. With a conservative 3 harvests a year and 1 lb per light....after 2 years I have produced 162 lbs and you have produced 54. Sure my power bill is significant, but nothing 108 extra pounds doesn't compensate for.
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actually that power bill has to factor in because of the fact you are running 16,200 watts then you need to cool all of that
add to it that about 60-70% is heat and only about 30% of those watts are actually contributing to photons.......all of that factors in......but it seems to me like you asked a ? so you could try to disprove the answer or really just looking for a debate.....suit your self....but in 2-3 years HID is obsolete the debate will then be.....I bet my led can outperform yours.....My cob spread is more efficient then yours....
arent we all in the same boat????dont we all grow the same plant????instead of a competition we should be making this about all of us competing against the powers that be to allow us the federal right to do as we please......with our beloved plant.....but if you are one of those people that is just interested in the money train .....maybe it better to invest that money in one of the large corporations gearing to take over this industry just as soon as they get done ironing out how to translate all the war on drugs jobs into cannabis industry jobs
 
ttystikk

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HydroRed said:
This is about exactly where I'm at with the HPS/LED debate. It boils down to how you use each one to benefit your situation.
For me to grow in the warmer summer months, I have to use an A/C unit -no matter what light source I use. To use my 8 cob led light during those months is an absolute no brainer. Less electricity from the light itself from the wall, less heat expelled which in turn requires less A/C. The whole snowball effect of running cob led's makes total sense. As for the loss of heat being expelled from led's, this now effects my winter time grows because like @bravedave I too rely on the heat from the lights to keep the room warm. Without the heat from the light, I am forced to run a 1500W space heater throughout the entire day to maintain a good temp and that is completely counter productive on efficiency. My room is fully insulated from top to bottom so my loss is minimal. With my HPS the only time I need to use the heater is during the 12 hrs the light is off during flower. Im using my led's for their first run right now and so far the plants are loving life. As of now both HID and LED hold a solid place in my grow room and both aid in reducing my electronic footprint in my grow room.
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So what you're really saying is that you need insulation, as well.

I'm working on solutions for removing heat from COB LED and returning it to the room in forms more useful to the grower.
 
bravedave

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ttystikk said:
So what you're really saying is that you need insulation, as well.

I'm working on solutions for removing heat from COB LED and returning it to the room in forms more useful to the grower.
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No he is saying that your one trick pony answer doesn't apply to him just like it didn't apply to me.
 
Wisher2

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honestly why all the bickering......like I said....we are all on the same side right???just because we have differ ways of thinking...dosnt mean either one of us is wrong....there are better ways on all our sides and room to improve......
 
HydroRed

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ttystikk said:
So what you're really saying is that you need insulation, as well.

I'm working on solutions for removing heat from COB LED and returning it to the room in forms more useful to the grower.
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I wouldnt say need insulation. My rooms are insulated, but in the summer time my rooms will be swiltering hot even if I didnt have lights or anything in the rooms. Its just the environmental effect is greater in extreme months and I use what I have to balance it in my favor at all times. Im curious to hear about what ways you are using to "recycle" lost energy though. I cant seem to find a practical way to use heat in the summer time.
 
bravedave

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Wisher2 said:
actually that power bill has to factor in because of the fact you are running 16,200 watts then you need to cool all of that
add to it that about 60-70% is heat and only about 30% of those watts are actually contributing to photons.......all of that factors in......but it seems to me like you asked a ? so you could try to disprove the answer or really just looking for a debate.....suit your self....but in 2-3 years HID is obsolete the debate will then be.....I bet my led can outperform yours.....My cob spread is more efficient then yours....
arent we all in the same boat????dont we all grow the same plant????instead of a competition we should be making this about all of us competing against the powers that be to allow us the federal right to do as we please......with our beloved plant.....but if you are one of those people that is just interested in the money train .....maybe it better to invest that money in one of the large corporations gearing to take over this industry just as soon as they get done ironing out how to translate all the war on drugs jobs into cannabis industry jobs
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You jump to a lot of conclusions and none of them correct and then it is YOU who tries to turn it into a pissing contest. I never said that power consumption was not a factor, just that it would be easily erased by 3x the quantity being produced. HIDs will only become obsolete when LED prices come down and until then we that use HIDs just have to suffer through the arrogance produced by people trying to justify spending too much money on their lights. ;)
 
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ttystikk

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HydroRed said:
I wouldnt say need insulation. My rooms are insulated, but in the summer time my rooms will be swiltering hot even if I didnt have lights or anything in the rooms. Its just the environmental effect is greater in extreme months and I use what I have to balance it in my favor at all times. Im curious to hear about what ways you are using to "recycle" lost energy though. I cant seem to find a practical way to use heat in the summer time.
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Night cycle heating and dehumidification.
 
ttystikk

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bravedave said:
No he is saying that your one trick pony answer doesn't apply to him just like it didn't apply to me.
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My dog does more tricks than you do.

Don't even bother trying to denigrate my op, you'll just lose whatever respect you might have left on this forum.
 
Wisher2

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bravedave said:
You jump to a lot of conclusions and none of them correct and then it is YOU who tries to turn it into a pissing contest. I never said that power consumption was not a factor, just that it would be easily erased by 3x the quantity being produced. HIDs will only become obsolete when LED prices come down and until then we that use HIDs just have to suffer through the arrogance produced by people trying to justify spending too much money on their lights. ;)
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just to clarify.....where did I try to turn anything into a pissing contest....I looked through everything I have written....not once was I bashing or trying to create a pissing contest.....but I just dont understand the logic in asking a question then bashing the answer with how you are better or what you are doing is producing so much more......

as well .....what conclusions am I jumping to?
 
bravedave

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ttystikk said:
My dog does more tricks than you do.

Don't even bother trying to denigrate my op, you'll just lose whatever respect you might have left on this forum.
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Tyysick, denigrate your op? huh? Dude you bounce in twice with the same answer. I explained why you didn't know what you were talking about the first time. The room I built was done with 2x6 construction particularly to satisfy insulation needs. I also deal with intake air that can be sub zero.
The next gentleman also said his room was insulated just fine, yet he too is blessed with rabbit droppings of your wisdom telling him he was wrong.
 
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bravedave

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Wisher2 said:
just to clarify.....where did I try to turn anything into a pissing contest....I looked through everything I have written....not once was I bashing or trying to create a pissing contest.....but I just dont understand the logic in asking a question then bashing the answer with how you are better or what you are doing is producing so much more......

as well .....what conclusions am I jumping to?
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Wisher2, maybe you should reread things again. You obviously jumped to the conclusion that I was here to debate. Pretty sure when I analyzed your first response to me, I did so matter of factly, ending with thanking you. Who pushed it forward from there again? I was sincere in finding out what actually was the LED equivalent and its price. You proceeded to muddy the waters, I guess because the simple truth of what I pointed out bothered you.

Bottom line is you told me what LED system I would need to buy to equal or better my HID setup. I discovered that the price was more than triple what I paid for my HID setup. I believe you when you suggest that, one to one, the LED draws less power overall. Problem is, the price makes it 3 to 1. No matter how fast you dance you cannot convince me (anyone?) that 6 extra pounds produced every year by having 2 extra HID setups does not eclipse any savings in power usage.

Just sayin...but yeah no hard feelings. I look forward to my first LED grow.
 
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