Top of flower not opening.

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Excess53

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Hi Everyone.

This is my first grow and I need some advice please.

I am not sure if I just don't know what is happening or if there is actually something wrong.

I realize that my plant is not very table top like and my initial LST skills were not very good, but the middle (inner) section is starting to grow and flower nicely.

My issue is that it has been a while now and the 4 main top pieces are not opening up as you can see in the 1 image. Must I just wait and it will still happen in due time? Is there an issue with it being to close to my CFL lamps? Watering? Nutrients? The rest of the plant is just doing so well but those 4 tops just seems to stay mangled like that.

Setup and issues thus far:

Autoflower (unknown)
Cupboard Grow
2 x 65W CFL
1 x 110W Warm White CFL
1 x 50W LED flood (not ideal I know but working with what i had)
Currently watering every 2-3 days with about 3 liters of water.
Plant had issues when it went over to flowering, I wasn't giving enough water and gave to many nutrients at one stage (I made a worm compost tea which seemed potent haha and probably wasnt meant for flowering).
Slight Nutrient burn and leaves curled down (claw). This is when I realised I had bad watering techniques.
Everything has gone 10 x better since I changed the way I watered and gave nutrients (bloom and molasses).
Plant did stretch in the beginning due to insufficient light and distance, my 2nd grow will look much better.

So in a nut shell I just want to know if those tops will still open or if they are doomed. (as you can see by the other photo the buds are forming nicely)

Any advice would be welcome and I can add additional photos of the plant if need be.
 

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timmehvl

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How old is the plant and what bloom nutrients

You need more info or ppl will scroll by...

So you have your set up etc that's good but valuable info is key to getting answers

Ppms or ec
Ph
Light schedule
How much runoff
Air circulation
What bloom nuets
What soil are you using
Have you flushed

Tell more about your vitals then ask questions..

Looks like a massive auto I don't know what's happening but u burnt is that much I do know... Needs more light maybe

Hope I was of help peace
 
timmehvl

timmehvl

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Also everything is neat the plant looks great but I've never seen a bud do that some else will be along I'm sure
 
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Excess53

Member
timmehvl said:
How old is the plant and what bloom nutrients

You need more info or ppl will scroll by...

So you have your set up etc that's good but valuable info is key to getting answers

Ppms or ec
Ph
Light schedule
How much runoff
Air circulation
What bloom nuets
What soil are you using
Have you flushed

Tell more about your vitals then ask questions..

Looks like a massive auto I don't know what's happening but u burnt is that much I do know... Needs more light maybe

Hope I was of help peace
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Hi There.

I am actually just surprised that I received a reply, this is my first forum post ever. I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately this is a low budget grow and I haven't invested in PPM or PH meters (I know that I need this but I have been feeding with RO water).

I think its a big auto because I made it stretch with my poor light system at the start)
Topped
8 weeks old (I am sure it would of been further by now with more light)
18-6 Light schedule
Fan in the cupboard and its slightly open for airflow
Bio Bloom Nuets (minimum dose)
Approximate breakdown of soil : 60% potting soil, 30% wormcastings and 10% Perlite
I am still confused about the runoff even though I know what it means ( I used to give 1 liter of water and the runoff was about 20% but I was under watering, now I give about 3 liters every 2 days and there is a lot of run off but I am making the root ball wet all the way through which has defnitely made a huge difference).

In general the plant has been doing very very well the last 2 weeks since I adjusted watering.
I am certain it needs more light and the plant is starting to bud nicely now but it just feels like its to slow ( maybe I am just paranoid about the lights and the tops not opening)

I think my MAIN concern is the timeline here, maybe due to slow growth under lights the tops will still open? They look mangled so I hope that they are okay. I doubt I can just cut them haha.

Anyways thanks for listening bud, any advice or criticism welcome.

(P.S The strain is unknown, I am guessing its an Auto because it just started to flower and I haven't adjusted lights and I am still learning)
 
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~MoE~

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and I am still learning)[/QUOTE]

We are all still leaning,
Short answer Yes those will open up and straighten out, I believe its caused by N, it's not a bad things, it can be from rapid growth, stop stressing bro it will be fine,
 
Hugo Phurst

Hugo Phurst

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Excess53 said:
haven't invested in PPM or PH meters (I know that I need this but I have been feeding with RO water).
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You can get a roll of ph paper for less than $15Cdn, PPM meters are about the same price.
What's wrong with your tap water? Water softener?
 
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Excess53

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Hugo Phurst said:
You can get a roll of ph paper for less than $15Cdn, PPM meters are about the same price.
What's wrong with your tap water? Water softener?
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Firstly I am from South Africa and our water here is terrible haha.
I read that if I leave the water out for 24 hrs the chlorine evaporates.
I use store bought water at the moment (which I am guessing is PH'd quite well)
I will use your advice and buy the ph papers then just test everything.
I have done 2 water feeds in a row (about a gallon each time) and might give bloom nuets next.

Thanks for the reply.
 
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Beachwalker

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Excess53 said:
Hi Everyone.

This is my first grow and I need some advice please.

I am not sure if I just don't know what is happening or if there is actually something wrong.

I realize that my plant is not very table top like and my initial LST skills were not very good, but the middle (inner) section is starting to grow and flower nicely.

My issue is that it has been a while now and the 4 main top pieces are not opening up as you can see in the 1 image. Must I just wait and it will still happen in due time? Is there an issue with it being to close to my CFL lamps? Watering? Nutrients? The rest of the plant is just doing so well but those 4 tops just seems to stay mangled like that.

Setup and issues thus far:

Autoflower (unknown)
Cupboard Grow
2 x 65W CFL
1 x 110W Warm White CFL
1 x 50W LED flood (not ideal I know but working with what i had)
Currently watering every 2-3 days with about 3 liters of water.
Plant had issues when it went over to flowering, I wasn't giving enough water and gave to many nutrients at one stage (I made a worm compost tea which seemed potent haha and probably wasnt meant for flowering).
Slight Nutrient burn and leaves curled down (claw). This is when I realised I had bad watering techniques.
Everything has gone 10 x better since I changed the way I watered and gave nutrients (bloom and molasses).
Plant did stretch in the beginning due to insufficient light and distance, my 2nd grow will look much better.

So in a nut shell I just want to know if those tops will still open or if they are doomed. (as you can see by the other photo the buds are forming nicely)

Any advice would be welcome and I can add additional photos of the plant if need be.
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I would buy a cheap combo meter on Amazon today first. I would stop feeding it for a minute and start to pH plain water to 6.5, also you don't have to get 20% run off every watering, that's more of a Coco thing imo

What I think is wrong with your plant is that it got a shock and I don't think it's going to stop curling through its entire growth. I think it'll grow and Bud eventually and you'll get product out of it if you can control all the other issues but as far as the leaves go I don't think there going to straighten out, good luck
 
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Excess53

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Beachwalker said:
I would buy a cheap combo meter on Amazon today first. I would stop feeding it for a minute and start to pH plain water to 6.5, also you don't have to get 20% run off every watering, that's more of a Coco thing imo

What I think is wrong with your plant is that it got a shock and I don't think it's going to stop curling through its entire growth. I think it'll grow and Bud eventually and you'll get product out of it if you can control all the other issues but as far as the leaves go I don't think there going to straighten out, good luck
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Thanks a mil for the input. Much appreciated.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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You've got a sativa. That's all, it looks pretty normal. It's starting to preflower but I doubt it's an auto unless out specifically bought an auto.

I would get your lights flipped to 12/12 because that plant is gonna stretch. Probably a lot.
 
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Excess53

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Hi there.

For all I know, you are right because I am still learning.

I just really thought it was an indica because the leaves arent super narrow.

I have never changed the light cycle and it has been in flower so I am super confused as to whether its an auto or not.

I thought a non auto would stay in veg with an 18/6 light cycle?

I just wanted to grow one plant and see how i do befor i import seeds and know exactly what i am growing.

I can change the light cycle but I would just like some more info haha, dont want to take a step backwards unless I need to.

P.S I am not doubting you i am just really confused.
 
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Excess53

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Maybe this is why I feel like the flowering stage has been so long is due to the long light cycle. Just weird to me that its flowering with the current light cycle.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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I don't think it's actually flowering. It is showing preflowers. This is very common in veg once the plant reaches genetic maturity.

The leaves are very slim from every picture you posted. It definitely looks like many of the sativas I've grown.

If you change the lights it will make it start to actually flower. I would guess you will see the change in about 7-10 days after you change the lights. Then it will be flowering and I would guess being sativa dominant that it will take roughly 10-12 weeks to fully mature. But that can very a lot.
 
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Excess53

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Thundercat said:
I don't think it's actually flowering. It is showing preflowers. This is very common in veg once the plant reaches genetic maturity.

The leaves are very slim from every picture you posted. It definitely looks like many of the sativas I've grown.

If you change the lights it will make it start to actually flower. I would guess you will see the change in about 7-10 days after you change the lights. Then it will be flowering and I would guess being sativa dominant that it will take roughly 10-12 weeks to fully mature. But that can very a lot.
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Okay cool. Damn then im about 4 weeks behind and i wont have space in my cupboard once it stretches more hahaha. I will change the light cycle and see what happens. I really appreciate the help and i should of been on here much earlier haha.
 
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Excess53

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Thundercat said:
I don't think it's actually flowering. It is showing preflowers. This is very common in veg once the plant reaches genetic maturity.

The leaves are very slim from every picture you posted. It definitely looks like many of the sativas I've grown.

If you change the lights it will make it start to actually flower. I would guess you will see the change in about 7-10 days after you change the lights. Then it will be flowering and I would guess being sativa dominant that it will take roughly 10-12 weeks to fully mature. But that can very a lot.
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Hi there.

I just wanted to say thank you very much for the advice because it worked a charm.

My plant is doing much better now and starting to flower nicely.

Have a fantastic day.

I attached some new photos.
 

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Lethidox

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honestly idk what that is but my plants are the same. currently ending week 2 of flowering tomorrow on my blue widows which are indica/sativa hybrids they are feminized seeds and they are the exact same way. tops won't open up but pistils still coming out. i don't fuck with um though.

Excess53 said:
Maybe this is why I feel like the flowering stage has been so long is due to the long light cycle. Just weird to me that its flowering with the current light cycle.
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Many people have reported some strains WILL flower under 18/6 this is why i tend to not really run 18/6 during veg. i run 24/0 or 20/4 of course you got diminishing returns with the longer light cycles but imma let you do your own research and decide if you wanna run those cycles or not. i have read that plants can take in everything in 6 hours and use stored energy at lights off thus the 6/2 cycles 6 on 2 off, 6 on 2 off, rinse and repeat but when you read up C3 plants they don't even need a dark cycle to begin with. i run dark cycles mainly just to save money on electricty and cut back on heat in the grow room thats it.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Excess53 said:
Hi there.

I just wanted to say thank you very much for the advice because it worked a charm.

My plant is doing much better now and starting to flower nicely.

Have a fantastic day.

I attached some new photos.
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Nice man glad things are working out and your starting to really flower now!

Now that it's flowering you can really see the thin leaves pronouncing them selves. It's gonna be a long process for it to fully finish and mature FYI. Quite seriously no less then 10 weeks and maybe more like 12-14.

So now just keep it healthy till harvest and you will have some yummy buds to smoke. Personally I love sativas. They are my favorite to smoke.
 
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Excess53

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Thundercat said:
Nice man glad things are working out and your starting to really flower now!

Now that it's flowering you can really see the thin leaves pronouncing them selves. It's gonna be a long process for it to fully finish and mature FYI. Quite seriously no less then 10 weeks and maybe more like 12-14.

So now just keep it healthy till harvest and you will have some yummy buds to smoke. Personally I love sativas. They are my favorite to smoke.
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Hi there. This is just an update of the flowering, please bare in mind my lights aren't the greatest, the plant just wouldn't stop stretching.

Considering what you said about it being a sativa that would all seem normal, its at about week 8 now and it just doesn't look normal to me but then again I am probably comparing it to indica dominant strains and my outdoor grows. It also seems to be fox tailing. It just seems thin and airy like it will never fill in. I am guessing it might stop stretching soon and fill in more.

Thanks in advance for any comments.
I can take more photos if need be.

Just scared I messed up the grow and I continue to waste my time.
 

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Damn dude, she got huge. That has got to be a full blooded sativa from that growth. To be completely honest I think you are in tough spot. Those buds might still fill in and turn into buds, but this could be a 20 week plant. With the low light intensity though, I don't know how well that will even happen. I grew a batch of pure sativas once, and they develope VERY different from indicas or hybrids.

I think with enough light the buds could fill in. The plant looks healthy and not distressed, so great job so far! But need light intensity to be able to really grow much bud. I was worried about that for you in the beginning, but honestly didn't expect them to end up that big on you.
 
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