topcat
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We gonna pitch a Wang Dang Doodle all night long.
-Willie Dixonedit; actually, the celebration of justice will go on for a couple years.
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-Willie Dixonedit; actually, the celebration of justice will go on for a couple years.
BudmanTX
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Looks like a new addition to the ML......it's the pool guy.....who knew....
BudmanTX
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and Mr Orange Mcbutt face got 3 new charges.....now he's up to 40.....
so much winning....
so much winning....
EhCndGrower
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printer
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Melinda.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about some superseding news and Trump....
compassionateExotic
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Herb & Suds
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Where the American flag truly belongs 
topcat
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Jack Smith and Merrick Garland will go down in history as true patriots.
DIY-HP-LED
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Lawrence: We now know who the star witness in the Trump docs case will be
398,430 views Jul 28, 2023
MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes a new superseding indictment filed by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the Mar-A-Lago classified documents case, including new details about Donald Trump’s co-defendant Waltine Nauta trying and failing to get security camera footage deleted.
DIY-HP-LED
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I don't know how obviously fucked anybody is more than Trump, any delay in jailing him just makes the justice system look unfair and too slow. I know how it works and how much time things take, but this is more like catching bank robbers in the act of committing the crime, or a murder holding the smoking gun.
Andrew Weissmann: Documents case gets much stronger with new evidence
23,451 views Jul 28, 2023 #Trump #Indictment #ClassifiedDocuments
Former President Donald Trump faces new charges in connection with his post-presidency handling of classified documents after the special counsel filed a new indictment Thursday. Former Justice Department prosecutor Andrew Weissmann discusses.
Andrew Weissmann: Documents case gets much stronger with new evidence
23,451 views Jul 28, 2023 #Trump #Indictment #ClassifiedDocuments
Former President Donald Trump faces new charges in connection with his post-presidency handling of classified documents after the special counsel filed a new indictment Thursday. Former Justice Department prosecutor Andrew Weissmann discusses.
DIY-HP-LED
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This is exactly what the prosecutors will say during Donald's trial for conspiracy to obstruct justice and they might crack his underlings or one of them in exchange for a deal, but don't need to. Donald is done in these cases, stick a fork in him, the question of when is with Cannon who won't want to be the first to sentence Trump for serious crimes, or even try him. IMO Donald is much more likely to meet a jail cell in DC first and probably be convicted there of some J6 related crime first, but not for all of them. NY or Georgia could also convict him of crimes before the election too. With each new indictment in a new venue, Donald's risk of being jailed increases as he comes under the control of more judges, state and federal. The federal judges in DC are the most likely to jail Donald, if he is jailed before conviction, they have standing rules for the indicted in DC that Trump violated several times in other venues, he is yet to be indicted in DC.
cannabineer
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I am impelled to wonder: what is much stronger than open and shut?
Isn’t that a bit like claiming the chances of something happening are more than 100%?
DIY-HP-LED
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Dunno maybe as a concept like negative numbers! There are degrees in crime, from the party guest with a smoking gun and the dying victim saying you shot me with a room full of witnesses and cellphone videos, to a who dun it murder mystery. This was like Trump shooting someone on 5th avenue while the cameras rolled, the seriousness of the crimes, the preponderance of evidence, the nature of the crimes (obstruction of justice and national security) and the prima facie case should warrant incarceration.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Trouble is, degrees of crime exist on a different (orthogonal) axis to probability of conviction.
So while what you say is correct a se, it is not relevant to the prime metric “probability of conviction”. Open&shut is a common colloquialism for “probability of conviction is unity”.
DIY-HP-LED
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All (sane) agree with the basic premise that Trump is fucked and it's just a question of timing. The preponderance of evidence just makes the delays and motions look unjust when compared to say the Texeira case for instance. He is in jail and asking why and why Trump is not, a valid question with equality under the law as being supposedly foundational, like innocence until proven guilty.
cannabineer
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I agree that Teixeira has a solid point.
It does not work well for Repugs trying to portray the justice system as biased.
If they want credibility, they need to explain why that man is not in detention.
printer
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Trump appeals decision keeping hush money case in state court
Former President Trump on Friday appealed a judge’s ruling that mandated his hush money criminal case be tried in state court in New York.
U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a President Clinton appointee, ruled last week that the 34-count indictment was not connected to Trump’s role as president, rejecting his request to move the case to federal court in favor of prosecutors’ objections.
Trump attorneys Todd Blanche and Susan Necheles filed a notice of appeal Friday afternoon, the first step in taking the dispute to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Trump sought to remove the state case to federal court, arguing it must be transferred because it involves important federal questions, including whether he should face charges for alleged crimes that occurred while he was in office. Doing so would increase the potential jury pool, which is currently limited to the heavily-Democratic population of Manhattan.
“This case is unprecedented in our nation’s history,” Trump’s lawyers wrote in the nine-page filing when first seeking to remove the case in May. “Never before has a local elected prosecutor criminally prosecuted a defendant either for conduct that occurred entirely while the defendant was the sitting President of the United States or for conduct that related to federal campaign contribution laws.”
Hellerstein dismissed that argument when ruling on the case in July.
“The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the matter was a purely a personal item of the President — a cover-up of an embarrassing event. Hush money paid to an adult film star is not related to a President’s official acts. It does not reflect in any way the color of the President’s official duties,” he wrote.
Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records over his alleged role in a hush money scheme ahead of the 2016 presidential election. He pleaded not guilty.
Hush money by itself is legal; Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) is prosecuting Trump over the manner in which he reimbursed his then-fixer, Michael Cohen, for making the $130,000 hush payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels.
Bragg is connecting the allegedly falsified records to purported violations of campaign finance laws.
When reached out to, Bragg’s office declined to comment.
A trial in the case is currently set for March 2024. Trump’s lawyers have a deadline late next month to file any motions in state court to dismiss the charges ahead of trial.
Earlier Friday, Bragg suggested during a radio interview on WNYC’s “The Brian Lehrer Show,” however, that the trial timeline could be delayed as a result of the other criminal investigations the former president faces.
“If our trial judge is reached out to by another judge, we will obviously consider everything in its totality,” Bragg said.
Special counsel Jack Smith’s office charged Trump with three additional counts in the classified records federal case Thursday, and prosecutors have signaled an indictment could be close in their probe over the transfer of power following the 2020 election.
In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) has signaled any charges against Trump would likely come in early August.
“In matters like this, judges will confer,” Bragg told WNYC.
“And I take a very broad lens on justice,” he continued. “We’ll obviously follow the directives of our court but won’t sit on ceremony in terms of what was charged first or things like that, if and when that’s presented.”
thehill.com
Former President Trump on Friday appealed a judge’s ruling that mandated his hush money criminal case be tried in state court in New York.
U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a President Clinton appointee, ruled last week that the 34-count indictment was not connected to Trump’s role as president, rejecting his request to move the case to federal court in favor of prosecutors’ objections.
Trump attorneys Todd Blanche and Susan Necheles filed a notice of appeal Friday afternoon, the first step in taking the dispute to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Trump sought to remove the state case to federal court, arguing it must be transferred because it involves important federal questions, including whether he should face charges for alleged crimes that occurred while he was in office. Doing so would increase the potential jury pool, which is currently limited to the heavily-Democratic population of Manhattan.
“This case is unprecedented in our nation’s history,” Trump’s lawyers wrote in the nine-page filing when first seeking to remove the case in May. “Never before has a local elected prosecutor criminally prosecuted a defendant either for conduct that occurred entirely while the defendant was the sitting President of the United States or for conduct that related to federal campaign contribution laws.”
Hellerstein dismissed that argument when ruling on the case in July.
“The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the matter was a purely a personal item of the President — a cover-up of an embarrassing event. Hush money paid to an adult film star is not related to a President’s official acts. It does not reflect in any way the color of the President’s official duties,” he wrote.
Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records over his alleged role in a hush money scheme ahead of the 2016 presidential election. He pleaded not guilty.
Hush money by itself is legal; Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) is prosecuting Trump over the manner in which he reimbursed his then-fixer, Michael Cohen, for making the $130,000 hush payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels.
Bragg is connecting the allegedly falsified records to purported violations of campaign finance laws.
When reached out to, Bragg’s office declined to comment.
A trial in the case is currently set for March 2024. Trump’s lawyers have a deadline late next month to file any motions in state court to dismiss the charges ahead of trial.
Earlier Friday, Bragg suggested during a radio interview on WNYC’s “The Brian Lehrer Show,” however, that the trial timeline could be delayed as a result of the other criminal investigations the former president faces.
“If our trial judge is reached out to by another judge, we will obviously consider everything in its totality,” Bragg said.
Special counsel Jack Smith’s office charged Trump with three additional counts in the classified records federal case Thursday, and prosecutors have signaled an indictment could be close in their probe over the transfer of power following the 2020 election.
In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) has signaled any charges against Trump would likely come in early August.
“In matters like this, judges will confer,” Bragg told WNYC.
“And I take a very broad lens on justice,” he continued. “We’ll obviously follow the directives of our court but won’t sit on ceremony in terms of what was charged first or things like that, if and when that’s presented.”
Trump appeals decision keeping hush money case in state court
Former President Trump on Friday appealed a judge’s ruling that mandated his hush money criminal case be tried in state court in New York. U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a President Clinton…
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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It looks like the shit will be hitting the fan for Trump starting about now and I figure the next couple of weeks should be busy ones for Donald and his lawyers as the indictments pile up and the number of judges who have control of him increases.Trump appeals decision keeping hush money case in state court
Former President Trump on Friday appealed a judge’s ruling that mandated his hush money criminal case be tried in state court in New York.
U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a President Clinton appointee, ruled last week that the 34-count indictment was not connected to Trump’s role as president, rejecting his request to move the case to federal court in favor of prosecutors’ objections.
Trump attorneys Todd Blanche and Susan Necheles filed a notice of appeal Friday afternoon, the first step in taking the dispute to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Trump sought to remove the state case to federal court, arguing it must be transferred because it involves important federal questions, including whether he should face charges for alleged crimes that occurred while he was in office. Doing so would increase the potential jury pool, which is currently limited to the heavily-Democratic population of Manhattan.
“This case is unprecedented in our nation’s history,” Trump’s lawyers wrote in the nine-page filing when first seeking to remove the case in May. “Never before has a local elected prosecutor criminally prosecuted a defendant either for conduct that occurred entirely while the defendant was the sitting President of the United States or for conduct that related to federal campaign contribution laws.”
Hellerstein dismissed that argument when ruling on the case in July.
“The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the matter was a purely a personal item of the President — a cover-up of an embarrassing event. Hush money paid to an adult film star is not related to a President’s official acts. It does not reflect in any way the color of the President’s official duties,” he wrote.
Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records over his alleged role in a hush money scheme ahead of the 2016 presidential election. He pleaded not guilty.
Hush money by itself is legal; Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) is prosecuting Trump over the manner in which he reimbursed his then-fixer, Michael Cohen, for making the $130,000 hush payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels.
Bragg is connecting the allegedly falsified records to purported violations of campaign finance laws.
When reached out to, Bragg’s office declined to comment.
A trial in the case is currently set for March 2024. Trump’s lawyers have a deadline late next month to file any motions in state court to dismiss the charges ahead of trial.
Earlier Friday, Bragg suggested during a radio interview on WNYC’s “The Brian Lehrer Show,” however, that the trial timeline could be delayed as a result of the other criminal investigations the former president faces.
“If our trial judge is reached out to by another judge, we will obviously consider everything in its totality,” Bragg said.
Special counsel Jack Smith’s office charged Trump with three additional counts in the classified records federal case Thursday, and prosecutors have signaled an indictment could be close in their probe over the transfer of power following the 2020 election.
In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) has signaled any charges against Trump would likely come in early August.
“In matters like this, judges will confer,” Bragg told WNYC.
“And I take a very broad lens on justice,” he continued. “We’ll obviously follow the directives of our court but won’t sit on ceremony in terms of what was charged first or things like that, if and when that’s presented.”
Trump appeals decision keeping hush money case in state court
Former President Trump on Friday appealed a judge’s ruling that mandated his hush money criminal case be tried in state court in New York. U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a President Clinton…