Trump is going to lose in November

hanimmal

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Oh come on Mick, I know you’re a smart guy even if you’re a liberal.

I’ve seen my polls. You’ve seen yours. I just don’t think everyone is too keen to tell the pollers how they’re going to vote.

I mean we will see. Climate is tuff

I’m pretty sure my guys got this in the bag
What kind of bag?



Wait until you see his Axios interview where he bends a knee to Putin throughout it. The dude is horrifyingly bad at his one real job he has ever had.
 

Fogdog

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Trump faces rare rebuke from GOP for floating election delay


NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump repeatedly tests the Republican Party’s limits on issues including race, trade and immigration. On Thursday, he struck a boundary.

GOP officials from New Hampshire to Mississippi to Iowa quickly pushed back against Trump’s suggestion that it might be necessary to delay the November election — which he cannot do without congressional approval — because of the unfounded threat of voter fraud. They reassured voters that the election would proceed on the constitutionally mandated day as it has for more than two centuries.

Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley was especially blunt: “All I can say is, it doesn’t matter what one individual in this country says. We still are a country based on the rule of law, and we want to follow the law.”


Republican Congress isn't going to delay their own elections. Trump's presidency is already in the body bag.

Trump has virtually tossed in the towel. As they say, old age and treachery will always defeat youth and exhuberance. Trump's problem is his opponents are also treacherous and old.
 

Fogdog

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The state-by-state map of polling results posted by NPR shows that Trump is going to lose. This early and this large a margin with very stable results from polls is something that we only see when the electorate's mind is made up.

2020 Electoral Map Ratings: Trump Slides, Biden Advantage Expands Over 270 Votes
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Trump's stated desire to delay the elections did not go over well with Independent voters. The epidemic is roaring back and it's my guess a few more states change toward Biden before this summer is out. I get why Democrats are nervous. Trump cannot win with his failed economy, foot dragging on financial aid to those HE put out of work by bungling response to the epidemic and his clearly fascist moves of police actions and attempting to delay the election. More than 90% of Republicans still support him but that's about it.
 

UncleBuck

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election is getting close, trump has utterly failed to define biden (except in the minds of his brainwashed retard drooling supporters) and fundamentals are setting in. ballots will be getting mailed soon, so the election is much closer than november 3rd for a massive part of the electorate
 

hanimmal

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I still worry about how much Trump and the Russians have been attacking the Latino population with propganda and how it impacts the state totals.



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Combined with this:
 

Fogdog

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I still worry about how much Trump and the Russians have been attacking the Latino population with propganda and how it impacts the state totals.



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That was the Nevada Caucus, looking back, how predictive were the early results from caucuses? I'm no expert on that but I put more weight in actual elections than caucuses. Meanwhile, the country is 65% white and 17% Hispanic. If I am wrong and Trump wins, it won't be due to Latinos who vote for Trump. I also think that you are still in the paradigm of a close election. This one won't be close. Unless I'm wrong. But show me polling data that shows this one could be close.
 

hanimmal

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That was the Nevada Caucus, looking back, how predictive were the early results from caucuses? I'm no expert on that but I put more weight in actual elections than caucuses. Meanwhile, the country is 65% white and 17% Hispanic. If I am wrong and Trump wins, it won't be due to Latinos who vote for Trump. I also think that you are still in the paradigm of a close election. This one won't be close. Unless I'm wrong. But show me polling data that shows this one could be close.
Sorry I got distracted when posting that.

If that many Latino's were snowballed into thinking that Bernie was the best choice when we know that the Russian military started in on their propaganda campaign hard on them after Trump won the election, I get scared about those states that are 'soft blue' states with the 'don't vote' push.

Combined with hammering the cities ability to get votes tallied and anything else they pull (including shit they may pull about scaring people about the virus the day of the election in their areas like say on their fake local news-ish propaganda sites), I get worried.

I really hope you are right, and do think that likely you are, I just am a Debbie Downer when it comes to things out of my control.
 

Fogdog

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Sorry I got distracted when posting that.

If that many Latino's were snowballed into thinking that Bernie was the best choice when we know that the Russian military started in on their propaganda campaign hard on them after Trump won the election, I get scared about those states that are 'soft blue' states with the 'don't vote' push.

Combined with hammering the cities ability to get votes tallied and anything else they pull (including shit they may pull about scaring people about the virus the day of the election in their areas like say on their fake local news-ish propaganda sites), I get worried.

I really hope you are right, and do think that likely you are, I just am a Debbie Downer when it comes to things out of my control.
Democrats are suffering PTSD from 2016. Me too.
 

Fogdog

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Is it too early to start talking about the upcoming succession crisis after Trump loses this fall?

Republicans prep for leadership battle if Trump goes down
Trump loyalists and establishment-aligned conservatives in the House are already jockeying ahead of November.


The maneuvering for power in a possible post-Trump world has already broken out among House Republicans — a worrisome preview for the GOP of potentially chaotic leadership fights this fall.

The party’s long-simmering divides were largely papered over after Donald Trump won the White House in 2016. But members expect the truce among the GOP’s warring factions to crumble if Trump’s presidency ends, and the current leadership could face the fallout.


@JoeBlow5823 who do you think should take over leadership of the party and run for prez in 2024 after Trump loses this fall?
 

JoeBlow5823

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Is it too early to start talking about the upcoming succession crisis after Trump loses this fall?

Republicans prep for leadership battle if Trump goes down
Trump loyalists and establishment-aligned conservatives in the House are already jockeying ahead of November.


The maneuvering for power in a possible post-Trump world has already broken out among House Republicans — a worrisome preview for the GOP of potentially chaotic leadership fights this fall.

The party’s long-simmering divides were largely papered over after Donald Trump won the White House in 2016. But members expect the truce among the GOP’s warring factions to crumble if Trump’s presidency ends, and the current leadership could face the fallout.


@JoeBlow5823 who do you think should take over leadership of the party and run for prez in 2024 after Trump loses this fall?
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Fogdog

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For those, including me, who suffer from ptsd whenever polls show Biden is ahead "just like Clinton was at this time in 2016" or whenever people say "this time it's different", well, this time it IS different.

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak

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The difference in polling margins at Clinton's peak is relatively unimportant. The stability of Biden's lead is what has Trump's campaign managers changing their Depends. Clinton was all over the map throughout the election cycle. Not Joe. His support has been steady and consistently better than Trump has had in years.

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There is plenty of other good news in the article and I won't clog this post with more infographics. In the 538 article, they break down what is happening at the state level.

All in all, national and battleground state polling at this point suggests that Biden is in a better position to win 270 electoral votes — and the presidency — than Clinton was at this point in the cycle.

They have to hedge a little. And what they said is true. These ARE unprecedented times. Their models don't account for the pandemic and the historic depression that Trump has wrought. But I put this up to the same ptsd all proper minded folk feel when the recall the day a Narcissist man baby won office in a squeaker of an election tainted by voter suppression, outside interference and an FBI memo that should never have been written, much less released just days before we headed to the polls in 2016.

Trump is going to lose in November. He's going to lose so badly that Democrats might even ride Biden's coattails into taking both the Senate and the House.

President Joe Biden. Has a nice, clean, corruption-free sound to it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He's got a system, but polls and statistics are where I put my faith, along with the facts on the ground as I see em. The facts and the polls look bleak for Trump and the republicans, the death and damage from covid in the heart of Dixie has just begun. Florida is gone blue and Texas and Georgia are now battleground states, what will they be like in 60 days with record death rates every day? If Donald loses both it will be all over early despite what the pundits say with over 400 electoral votes for Joe and humiliation for Trump. Many people in the south are racists, but not all of them are suicidal, even the 33% who are socially malformed arseholes that every country has, don't all have a death wish. This is reflected in polling on masks etc.
 
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