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@OldMedUser Can you point to any real science about silver and virus loads in human beings. I don't doubt it can have anti bacterial properties like copper, all hospitals and doctors offices should be required to have copper alloy hand rails door knobs and such. It may also have anti viral properties in a lab setting but at what level would it be required in the body to be of any help without causing problems? Is there any real scientific study or is everything anecdotal?

captainmorgan said:

@OldMedUser Can you point to any real science about silver and virus loads in human beings. I don't doubt it can have anti bacterial properties like copper, all hospitals and doctors offices should be required to have copper alloy hand rails door knobs and such. It may also have anti viral properties in a lab setting but at what level would it be required in the body to be of any help without causing problems? Is there any real scientific study or is everything anecdotal?

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Cap'n you are correct in that colloidal silver is anti-bacterial. There's studies but likely gotta really dig for them and likely may not have been scanned into a data base yet.
Which brings up my point: there's little value in doing research if you cant get funding. Who gets the most funding for basic research? Universities. What do they research? What the federal government offers grants for. Why does the government chose one research topic or focus over another? Government policy for security or defense. And yes public health is a national security concern. A few years ago the DoD said the number one internal threat to the US was healthcare. They projected that healthcare (and a lot of emphasis of the study was obesity and the health problems related with obesity) could eat up more than 50% of GDP impacting military readiness as well as having a weaker population and less fit citizens that could serve if called upon
Is colloidal silver in vogue? No not at all so no researcher will get funding to do a real experiment with a hypothesis and null hypothesis.

Living in Hawai'I staph is common. Ive seen staph infections resolved with colloidal silver spray. Even bad ones with sores and red track marks. I said go to hospital for the near systemic beginning cellulitis cases. I had to laugh in my disbelief that it worked. Not anecdotal but seen with my own eyes.

When ingesting quantity you want to know what you’re eating. Going by taste I really like honey oil made with culinary butane, it tastes like fresh weed, zero hydrocarbon flavour. I also eat a lot of hash (homemade) and bhang. Going to work with moonshine as a solvent next. Coco oil extract is my topical but sometimes I add a little honey oil for extra kick.

I strongly disagree about colloidal silver being snake oil. We also make it at home and let me tell you about the flesh eating bacteria I had to deal with one day. It was growing in the undercoating oil on the bottom of a car door, which scratched her calf. A few hours later it had melted a hole through the skin and into the muscle. It was easy to kill. Real easy.

Sometimes waiting is a pretty shitty option. You are going to hear that from Canadians because many of us grew up in underserviced rural areas and we’re used to it. There isn’t always someone else to turn to. It’s not because we don’t support the health care system either. It makes sense, because we pay these costs of having a health care system and we know that. The health care workers often stay healthy this way as well! China included homeopathic medicine in 80% of the treatments to get the numbers that it did.

Inhaling colloidal silver in water droplets is treading in the realms of unknown science I agree. I would worry about longer term effects. I don’t drink it either.

Snoopy808 said:

As for Naphtha, i smell it in our DMT but still smoke it lol.
Guess its not that bad. Is there a cleaner source of Naphtha like there is 5x or 6x purified butane?

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I have 9X butane and can distill that as I process pot so get a lot more mileage out of it. If I had a decent pressure vessel I could store any left over butane for later but found out a thermos with about 500ml of it in the frezeer was gone a month later. lol

I don't have a clean source of naphtha so double distill Coleman's Camp Stove fuel to clean out the rust inhibitor and anything else in it. It has a bp of 71 - 74C where the cheaper brand I bought once is more like 85 - 90C. Ronsonol or Zippo lighter fluid is basically just naphtha too but expensive as hell for a lot of those little cans. lol

Snoopy808 said:

Cap'n you are correct in that colloidal silver is anti-bacterial. There's studies but likely gotta really dig for them and likely may not have been scanned into a data base yet.
Which brings up my point: there's little value in doing research if you cant get funding. Who gets the most funding for basic research? Universities. What do they research? What the federal government offers grants for. Why does the government chose one research topic or focus over another? Government policy for security or defense. And yes public health is a national security concern. A few years ago the DoD said the number one internal threat to the US was healthcare. They projected that healthcare (and a lot of emphasis of the study was obesity and the health problems related with obesity) could eat up more than 50% of GDP impacting military readiness as well as having a weaker population and less fit citizens that could serve if called upon
Is colloidal silver in vogue? No not at all so no researcher will get funding to do a real experiment with a hypothesis and null hypothesis.

Living in Hawai'I staph is common. Ive seen staph infections resolved with colloidal silver spray. Even bad ones with sores and red track marks. I said go to hospital for the near systemic beginning cellulitis cases. I had to laugh in my disbelief that it worked. Not anecdotal but seen with my own eyes.

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Do you know what kind of concentrations they use for those bacterial staph infections? Also there is a big difference between living bacteria and a virus so that's why I ask.

OldMedUser said:

My health isn't terrible for a 65 yo guy. Got early COPD from smoking all my life but other than that my heart is good, lower than average blood pressure, slightly elevated cholesterol according to Big Pharma guidleines but even the FDA now says they have been wrong and that higher cholesterol is actually good for older folks. I take no pharma or OTC drugs and have had extensive testing for diabetes to find I'm hypoglycemic and have an aggressive insulin response that causes me to get the shakes even when my blood sugars are in the low/normal range so should have many small meals thru the day.

Oh, and some benign prostate enlargement I manage quite well with a few supplements and certain exersizes you wouldn't be interested in.

My weight is the same now as my 20s when I was told I was too skinny and needed to gain 20. 140lbs soaking wet normally but I think it's dropped 5 or more recently stressing about my sister but now that she passed a week ago it'll get easier.

You can believe what you want to believe and so can I. If you throw all your trust behind the poorly trained doctors we have these days then good luck and a good day to you sir.

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As I said, I'm not picking a fight with you but explaining my position. You ignored the advice of health professionals and now have COPD. You are going your own way on self medicating and ignoring what health profession is quite clearly saying about woo-woo sciency supplements. Your reason is, you don't trust health professionals. Completely your right to do so. Completely my right to point out the hole in your argument.

If we abandon science then what we have left is either religion or something that looks like it. Or we allow people like Trump to manipulate us. Or we go completely off the deep end by letting our navel tell us about "the big lie" like @mustbetribbin does.

Colloidal silver "no sound scientific studies to evaluate these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has taken action against some manufacturers of colloidal silver products for making unproven health claims. "

That's from the Mayo Clinic. BTW.

OldMedUser said:

I have 9X butane and can distill that as I process pot so get a lot more mileage out of it. If I had a decent pressure vessel I could store any left over butane for later but found out a thermos with about 500ml of it in the frezeer was gone a month later. lol

I don't have a clean source of naphtha so double distill Coleman's Camp Stove fuel to clean out the rust inhibitor and anything else in it. It has a bp of 71 - 74C where the cheaper brand I bought once is more like 85 - 90C. Ronsonol or Zippo lighter fluid is basically just naphtha too but expensive as hell for a lot of those little cans. lol

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ick

captainmorgan said:

Do you know what kind of concentrations they use for those bacterial staph infections? Also there is a big difference between living bacteria and a virus so that's why I ask.

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Not off hand, but they purchased the product at the natural foods store. So there's a known value thats standard in that product.
Oh yes i totally agree with you on bacteria vs virus and would doubt silver has contact anti-viral properties like say lysol. But in vivo or in vitro with infected cells id be curious to know but not likely to experiment on myself or suggest that for others.

Here's what Mayo says about Cannabis, lol.

Safety and side effects

Medical marijuana use is generally considered safe. But different strains of marijuana have different amounts of THC. This can make dosing marijuana difficult.
Marijuana can cause:

• Headache
• Dry mouth
• Dry eyes
• Lightheadedness
• Dizziness
• Drowsiness
• Fatigue
• Nausea
• Paranoid thinking
• A disconnected state (dissociation)
• Increased appetite
• Coughs

Don't drive or operate machinery when using marijuana.
If you have a mental health condition, use marijuana with caution. Marijuana use might worsen manic symptoms in people who have bipolar disorder. If used frequently, marijuana might increase the risk of depression. Marijuana use also might worsen depression symptoms. Research suggests that marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis in people who have schizophrenia.
Smoking marijuana can affect your memory and cognitive function and cause harmful cardiovascular effects, such as high blood pressure. Long-term marijuana use can worsen respiratory conditions.
Marijuana has a central nervous system (CNS) depressant effect. As a result, marijuana use in combination with anesthesia or other drugs used during or after surgery might cause an additive effect. Don't use marijuana two weeks before planned surgery.

Pretty dissapointing actually for "medical professionals", fuck that pedestal unfortunately.

dabby duck said:

Here's what Mayo says about Cannabis, lol.

Safety and side effects

Medical marijuana use is generally considered safe. But different strains of marijuana have different amounts of THC. This can make dosing marijuana difficult.
Marijuana can cause:

• Headache
• Dry mouth
• Dry eyes
• Lightheadedness
• Dizziness
• Drowsiness
• Fatigue
• Nausea
• Paranoid thinking
• A disconnected state (dissociation)
• Increased appetite
• Coughs

Don't drive or operate machinery when using marijuana.
If you have a mental health condition, use marijuana with caution. Marijuana use might worsen manic symptoms in people who have bipolar disorder. If used frequently, marijuana might increase the risk of depression. Marijuana use also might worsen depression symptoms. Research suggests that marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis in people who have schizophrenia.
Smoking marijuana can affect your memory and cognitive function and cause harmful cardiovascular effects, such as high blood pressure. Long-term marijuana use can worsen respiratory conditions.
Marijuana has a central nervous system (CNS) depressant effect. As a result, marijuana use in combination with anesthesia or other drugs used during or after surgery might cause an additive effect. Don't use marijuana two weeks before planned surgery.

Pretty dissapointing actually for "medical professionals", fuck that pedestal unfortunately.

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lmao what did they say that is incorrect?

hanimmal said:

lmao what did they say that is incorrect?

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Psychosis inducing, are you daft?

dabby duck said:

Here's what Mayo says about Cannabis, lol.

Safety and side effects

Medical marijuana use is generally considered safe. But different strains of marijuana have different amounts of THC. This can make dosing marijuana difficult.
Marijuana can cause:

• Headache
• Dry mouth
• Dry eyes
• Lightheadedness
• Dizziness
• Drowsiness
• Fatigue
• Nausea
• Paranoid thinking
• A disconnected state (dissociation)
• Increased appetite
• Coughs

Don't drive or operate machinery when using marijuana.
If you have a mental health condition, use marijuana with caution. Marijuana use might worsen manic symptoms in people who have bipolar disorder. If used frequently, marijuana might increase the risk of depression. Marijuana use also might worsen depression symptoms. Research suggests that marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis in people who have schizophrenia.
Smoking marijuana can affect your memory and cognitive function and cause harmful cardiovascular effects, such as high blood pressure. Long-term marijuana use can worsen respiratory conditions.
Marijuana has a central nervous system (CNS) depressant effect. As a result, marijuana use in combination with anesthesia or other drugs used during or after surgery might cause an additive effect. Don't use marijuana two weeks before planned surgery.

Pretty dissapointing actually for "medical professionals", fuck that pedestal unfortunately.

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I don't respect any health organization whatsoever when they can't even use the proper name (cannabis). Using a Mexican slang word that was drummed up to incite fear into the population of a plant instead of its real, proper name? In a medical release?

spek9 said:

I don't respect any health organization whatsoever when they can't even use the proper name (cannabis). Using a Mexican slang word that was drummed up to incite fear into the population of a plant instead of its real, proper name? In a medical release?

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Good point, I never should have just assumed they cut that from the website, I should have checked it myself. Fucking trolls are coming out of the woodwork too, I should know better.

spek9 said:

I don't respect any health organization whatsoever when they can't even use the proper name (cannabis). Using a Mexican slang word that was drummed up to incite fear into the population of a plant instead of its real, proper name? In a medical release?

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I even typed in cannabis and it spit out Medical Marijuana as the result.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/medical-marijuana/art-20137855

Medical marijuana
Marijuana is a controlled substance in the U.S. Federal law prohibits its use for any reason. Many states, however, allow medical use of marijuana to treat pain, nausea and other symptoms.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

Medical marijuana — also called medical cannabis — is a term for derivatives of the Cannabis sativa plant that are used to relieve serious and chronic symptoms.

Cannabis sativa contains many active compounds, but two are of interest for medical purposes: THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (cannabidiol). THC is the primary ingredient in marijuana that makes people "high."


Is medical marijuana legal in the U.S.?

U.S. federal law prohibits the use of whole plant Cannabis sativa or its derivatives for any purpose. CBD derived from the hemp plant (< 0.3% THC) is legal under federal law to consume.


Many states allow THC use for medical purposes. Federal law regulating marijuana supersedes state laws. Because of this, people may still be arrested and charged with possession in states where marijuana for medical use is legal.

When is medical marijuana appropriate?

Studies report that medical cannabis has possible benefit for several conditions. State laws vary in which conditions qualify people for treatment with medical marijuana. If you're considering marijuana for medical use, check your state's regulations.

Depending on the state, you may qualify for treatment with medical marijuana if you meet certain requirements and have a qualifying condition, such as:

• Alzheimer's disease
• Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)
• HIV/AIDS
• Cancer
• Crohn's disease
• Epilepsy and seizures
• Glaucoma
• Multiple sclerosis and muscle spasms
• Severe and chronic pain
• Severe nausea

If you are experiencing uncomfortable symptoms or side effects of medical treatment, especially pain and nausea, talk with your doctor about all your options before trying marijuana. Doctors may consider medical marijuana as an option if other treatments haven't helped.

Is medical marijuana safe?

Further study is needed to answer this question, but possible side effects of medical marijuana may include:

• Increased heart rate
• Dizziness
• Impaired concentration and memory
• Slower reaction times
• Negative drug-to-drug interactions
• Increased risk of heart attack and stroke
• Increased appetite
• Potential for addiction
• Cyclic vomiting syndrome
• Hallucinations or mental illness
• Withdrawal symptoms

Is medical marijuana available as a prescription medicine?

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved one cannabis-derived and three cannabis-related drugs: dronabinol (Marinol, Syndros), nabilone (Cesamet) and cannabidiol (Epidiolex).

Dronabinol and nabilone can be prescribed for the treatment of nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy and for the treatment of anorexia associated with weight loss in people with AIDS. Cannabidiol can be prescribed for treatment of severe forms of childhood epilepsy.


What you can expect

Medical marijuana comes in a variety of forms, including:

• Oil for vaporizing
• Pill
• Topical applications
• Oral solution
• Dried leaves and buds

How and where you purchase these substances legally varies among the states that allow medical use of marijuana. Once you have the product, you administer it yourself. How often you use it depends on its form and your symptoms.


Your symptom relief and side effects also will vary based upon which type you are using. The quickest effects occur with inhalation of the vaporized form. The slowest onset occurs with the pill form.

Some medical marijuana is formulated to provide symptom relief without the intoxicating, mood-altering effects associated with recreational use of marijuana.

Certification and use on Mayo Clinic campuses
Arizona, Florida and Minnesota have adopted some form of the federal Right to Try Act. This law permits access to investigational treatments, including possibly marijuana, for people with life-threatening conditions who have exhausted approved treatment options. The Right to Try Act typically does not limit in-state use to in-state residents only. Statements below do not apply to Right to Try situations.
Arizona
In Arizona, certifications for medical cannabis may be issued by an allopathic, osteopathic, homeopathic or naturopathic physician who has a valid Arizona license. Mayo Clinic campuses in Arizona do not dispense medical marijuana, certify people for using it, or allow its use on campus or in the hospital.
Florida
Florida law permits qualified physicians to order medical cannabis or low-THC cannabis for patients diagnosed with certain conditions. Mayo Clinic campuses in Florida do not dispense medical marijuana and do not allow its use on campus or in the hospital.
Minnesota
In Minnesota, a physician, physician assistant or advanced practice registered nurse certify qualifying medical conditions. Minnesota residents with qualifying conditions need to register with the Minnesota Department of Health.
Mayo Clinic practices in Minnesota may certify state residents with qualifying conditions in the Minnesota medical cannabis program. Not all Mayo Clinic health care providers will be registered for the certification process in Minnesota.
Minnesota residents with a supply of medical cannabis from the Minnesota Medical Cannabis program may continue use during their Mayo Clinic visit or hospital admission.
Websites

1. Arizona Department of Health Services: Medical marijuana
2. Florida Health: Office of Medical Marijuana Use
3. Minnesota Department of Health: Medical cannabis
4. National Conference of State Legislatures: State medical marijuana laws

The Silver Colloid in the stores isn’t that concentrated. The way you check is to shine a laser through it. You can plainly see how concentrated it is.

dabby duck said:

Psychosis inducing, are you daft?

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Just looking at your post, they didn't say that.

Surely you aren't saying that MJ or cannabis stativa (various strains) is not a strong psychoactive drug, are you? Out of hundreds of millions of people, there are some who have negative side effects. Let's at least be clear headed and honest about it. The science on MJ is incomplete because religious bigots suppressed studying it. Let's not be bigots in the other direction and deny that there are times when using MJ is not appropriate.

Freedom seed said:

The Silver Colloid in the stores isn’t that concentrated. The way you check is to shine a laser through it. You can plainly see how concentrated it is.

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lulz

dabby duck said:

Psychosis inducing, are you daft?

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That is FACT....if you are predisposed. Like dissociative schizophrenia but not factually reported. It can induce an acute episode in persons already suffering from schizophrenia untreated. Ive seen that. Kinda alarming how fast a person can go from pleasant to scary crazy.
Also some functioning schizophrenics want off pharma meds and think medical cannabis is the cure. So it only takes a short time off meds and some puffing to make them snap. Thus inducing a psychotic break. This happened to a neighbor I knew. He got his card, started smoking. He was smoking more and more every day. Getting a lityle weirder. Before he snapped he was literally all day smoking, non stop. He walked barefoot in shorts 20 miled thru blackberrys and forest to a camp ground and was found by sherrifs on top of a hill laughing and mumbling gibberish. On meds dude was a hard worker, had a job, awesome mechanic and really nice guy.
Its unfortunate that cannabis cant be for everyone.

dabby duck said:

Spotted a fucking Narc. How about aptosis of cells?

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Do you know what apoptosis of cells means? Cause i have no idea what aptosis is? Or the mechanisms that it can happen. Israel had done a mountain of research on therapeutic use of cannabinoids. Its a shame US isn't doing the same.

captainmorgan said:

@OldMedUser Can you point to any real science about silver and virus loads in human beings. I don't doubt it can have anti bacterial properties like copper, all hospitals and doctors offices should be required to have copper alloy hand rails door knobs and such. It may also have anti viral properties in a lab setting but at what level would it be required in the body to be of any help without causing problems? Is there any real scientific study or is everything anecdotal?

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I recently changed computers and just yesterday got the old one going again so I could export the bookmarks from FireFox to .html and access them again so will see what I got there and get back to you.

I've just now started taking 2 tsp/day to see what's up. Many people say to take up to 4oz per day but I think that's where it's way beyond sensible. This new stuff I'm making leaves a stronger metallic taste on my teeth if I swish it around in my mouth than I remember the older stuff doing. I have some of that left over so tonight I'll try that before going to bed to see what it's like. If used that way the silver absorbs directly into the blood bypassing the stomach acids and is said to be more effective. Same with things like Vit. B-12 and the melatonin I take 3 times a week or so.

Thing is I don't just jump in willy-nilly and start doing different shit. I trained as a chemist and know how to observe and replicate results using as little bias as I possibly can tho no one is ever completely bias free so I try to take that in account too.

Like treating my arthritis. Doc had me tested for inflammation and it came back negative but he prescribed me 3 months worth of an anti-inflammatory med called Arthrotec. Ok I took one dose that day as it was the end of the day when I got them, with food as it said on the bottle. Next morning I ate a half sandwich and washed it down with milk tho I rarely ever eat before I've had a few coffees. Felt a bit of a gut ache that didn't go away with more food. Ate a good early dinner and took another pill. 2 hours later my gut really ached so drank a glass of milk and that helped a bit. Had a late night snack, took the last pill of the day and woke up in the middle of the night with pretty severe gut pain so stopped the pills for a couple days. Tried again with the same results so quit taking that shit and saw the doctor. He said it was good I stopped as some people that don't tolerate that class of drug can develop ulcers in less than 2 weeks. I've never had an ulcer. As an aside I did not feel any pain relief.

I started using CBD pot first by smoking it and that really took the sharp edge off the pain so bought 10g from a dispensary in BC when I was out for a visit and made that into cocobudder. Whoo-hoo! Just a tsp in the evening let me sleep like a baby and wake up with the usual agony reduced a whole bunch right off the bat. Withing a few days I just had the dull achy pain I call a good day all day long.

Happy camper until the budder ran out and within a week the pain was coming back hard and I was having to resort to Demerol that I used to get for breakout pain until this f'n opiod crisis came along and the doc cut me off cold. He claimed that the AMA, (Alberta Medical Association), told him to do it. Bullshit but they did start cutting lots of people off. I had been getting 30 - 50mg tabs every 4 - 6 months for about 3 years. Does that sound like I was getting dependant? No way. I never doctor-shopped or used the BM to get any. I can't tolerate morphine and puke when it's been given to me in the hospital. Codeine gives me hives and itch all over. Neither work as good as Demerol for the pain either.

He wanted me to go on an anti-depressant drug called Cymbalta that was said to be useful for ongoing pain like that. I had already researched that drug for a friend that used it and it's f'n horrible, My buddy had to pay about $120/mth for it and when he ran out and couldn't afford it he had withdrawl like a junkie. I just toughed it out until my first CBD plants finished flowering a month later and that's all I take for it now. 3 or 4 tsps/wk is enough to keep the pain levels way down.

That same buddy takes a lot of meds and has hep 2 or 3, type 2 diabetes, borderline obese, high blood pressure, horrible psoriasis all over and told me he hasn't had an erection for over 10 years. Has a dozen different pill bottles to dig thru every day and smokes legal pot instead of getting mine for half the price and twice the quality. Some buddy eh.

Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease that can be cured by diet and exercise but today's MDs have almost zero training in nutrition so are just legal pill pushers IMO. Our processed food-like substances are engineered to addict us and those horrible fats we've been lied to about the last 50 years are now being touted as healthy especially for our brains that are 50% cholesterol.

Do you wonder yet why we are having an epidemic of diabetes, obesity and dementia? Not to mention the heart disease, joint failure and all the other complications of a poor diet and being overweight for most of a person's life.

Saturated fats were labelled bad so they replaced that with sugar which they replaced with High Fructose Corn Syrup cause it's cheaper than sugar. Sugar is just bad for you anyway and I need to get off it myself but have always had a sweet tooth. Got less of those now so maybe my cravings will subside.

Something like 90% of the western world is deficient in zinc, Mg, Vit. D3 and a host of other things. For men the prostate needs zinc only secondary to the heart so if you're having to get up to pee during the night go get a bottle of zinc tabs at your local drug store and take 2/day the first week then 1/day after that and see if that doesn't help. Sure does for me and I take some Saw Palmetto with it. Most nights I don't have to get up at all if I stop the coffee a few hours before bed but usually am sipping on coffee right up to bedtime.

If I had a life threatening condition where only a pharma med could keep me alive then damn sure I'd take it and when my leaky appendix blew a couple years ago I f'n called an ambulance and went to the hospital. Doc there said I was constipated and gave me a shotglass of something and said I could go home after I had a crap. I have never been constipated in my life. I eat so much fiber you could knit a shitty sweater out of my crap.

2 days after getting back from the hospital horror show I got a sharp pain in my lower left side that soon went ballistic so called the ambulance again. A few miles from the hospital the pain reached astronomical levels then suddenly dropped off rapidly. Turned out to be a 4mm kidney stone that was noted on my CAT scan report that found my bad appendix. Nobody bothered telling me. The only reason we called the ambulance was both times we were drifted in with snow and couldn't drive out. No charge to me for any of it. That damn socialist medical system does have it's good points. lol

The wife had a supposedly benign tumour on an adrenal gland so it had to be removed 12 years ago. Turned out to be malignant but nobody said anything about that until she got diagnosed with liver tumours a year ago but that's another long story.