Unconventional Organics

GrowerGoneWild

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straight fruit juice maybe do it real light then let it cook for a few days then dilute
No signs of burn so far.

What difference does is make if I let it "cook?" The leftover juice I use is unpasturized, and if the juice starts to smell funny I just use it, I'm sure theres plenty of microbes in there. I want to feed soil microbes first with the sugars/carbohydrates in the soil. And some of it is veggie juice.. way low on sugars.

Im doing a once a week feed thing.. just wanna see where it goes. Following typical feed, water, water feed schedule.
 

dababydroman

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letting it cook would create more microbes to my understanding, and let the fruit transform into a state where the plants can actually soak up the nutes.. thast why people compost first and don't just throw banana peels and egg shells right on top of thee root base.. it has to be broken down first.. well all in all i guess its kindof an experiment anyways right so.. have fun let us know how it works out..
 

GrowerGoneWild

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letting it cook would create more microbes to my understanding, and let the fruit transform into a state where the plants can actually soak up the nutes.. thast why people compost first and don't just throw banana peels and egg shells right on top of thee root base.. it has to be broken down first.. well all in all i guess its kindof an experiment anyways right so.. have fun let us know how it works out..
There are no bannana peels in the mix. And I haven't done the egshell/juice slurry yet...

I dont think I have to have microbes convert juice.. should be plenty in there., Its not just microbes your feeding, there is fungi in the soil that is being fed, within 24 hours of application I see some hyphae, on the surface . I guess I could innoculate with myco, should be a good combo, seeing how the fungi took to the juice.

I wont be using bannana peels.. I'm thinking some egshells that are dried and pulverized in a blender, with some leftover juice and a little bit of epsoms.
 

canadiankushman

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Has anyone any experience with Canadian Thistle? I have been debating adding it to my botanical topdressing regime. I've read reports of grazing livestock on it and supposedly its equal to or greater than alfalfa for nutritional value. Anyone have knowledge on this?

Ck.
 
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verbal719

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How much should I piss in my plants. Should I piss directly into the pots or should I pee into a cup and then mix it with water. I am thinking about the second route because I have trouble stopping midstream so measuring word be tough. What
Actually my dad told me that back in the early 70s or late 60s that his dad (my grandpa) used to piss on the soil around my dads weed plants. Not directly on the foliage. He was a serious gardener. Always had huge tomatoes and peppers. The proof is in the piss. I have not tried this by the way.
 

dr.medecine

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Some of the suggestions just come out as nasty at best but probably downright nutty imo hehehe, that´s why I like them. :hump:

What I like specifically is the suggestions that are easily available and dirt cheap if not free, waste products like urine and poo for example, have yet to read the entire thread but would be good to actually know how efficient they can be? Used to pee in my plants years ago when drunk on beer and it sure did not hurt them but how efficient was it really, hard to tell under those circumstances I guess need a controlled grow comparing with one using standard nutes and the other "nasty" stuff. Especially today where nutes have become such a mega business and can cost hundreds if not even thousands of $ depending on grow and that´s the part I really dislike, then we have the fanboys of certain companies helping them out by pushing them online but I think some brands have just gone overboard with fillers charging insane amounts of money for it often claiming you better use all for best results but then again that´s just me and what do I know I´m just another noob really or at very least not an expert grower in any way.

What way to better combat that then to use waste products and whatever cheap nasties we can get out hands on? :wink: Gonna read the entire thread soon enough to get some tips, just that growing indoors you a bit more limited though with a grow tent next to your bed like I have.
 

st0wandgrow

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Some of the suggestions just come out as nasty at best but probably downright nutty imo hehehe, that´s why I like them. :hump:

What I like specifically is the suggestions that are easily available and dirt cheap if not free, waste products like urine and poo for example, have yet to read the entire thread but would be good to actually know how efficient they can be? Used to pee in my plants years ago when drunk on beer and it sure did not hurt them but how efficient was it really, hard to tell under those circumstances I guess need a controlled grow comparing with one using standard nutes and the other "nasty" stuff. Especially today where nutes have become such a mega business and can cost hundreds if not even thousands of $ depending on grow and that´s the part I really dislike, then we have the fanboys of certain companies helping them out by pushing them online but I think some brands have just gone overboard with fillers charging insane amounts of money for it often claiming you better use all for best results but then again that´s just me and what do I know I´m just another noob really or at very least not an expert grower in any way.

What way to better combat that then to use waste products and whatever cheap nasties we can get out hands on? :wink: Gonna read the entire thread soon enough to get some tips, just that growing indoors you a bit more limited though with a grow tent next to your bed like I have.

The sad part is that even with store bought nutrients you end up with piss and shit (bio solids) in the mix anyway. May as well use your own for free.
 

GrowerGoneWild

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My update on my own experimental organics. Using old fruit/veggie juice

Its actually a bad idea to use straight fruit juice, It seemed to cause some kind of pythium on one of the clones and it eventually damped off and died. So back to the drawing board. Old fruit juice when applied directly to the soil causes a huge increase in visible hyphae on the soil, almost too much. I think the real problem is the possiblity of an increase in pathogens.

New approach. I am using a compost tea bag 1inch X 2inch bag, and I simply pour my old juice diluted with 4 parts water, over the compost tea bag that is on the surface of the soil. Looks good so far, no signs of damping off etc..
 

GrowerGoneWild

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Actually my dad told me that back in the early 70s or late 60s that his dad (my grandpa) used to piss on the soil around my dads weed plants. Not directly on the foliage. He was a serious gardener. Always had huge tomatoes and peppers. The proof is in the piss. I have not tried this by the way.
There are people that grow big peppers and tomatoes without using a drop of piss. Same goes with weed.
 

GrowerGoneWild

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The sad part is that even with store bought nutrients you end up with piss and shit (bio solids) in the mix anyway. May as well use your own for free.
Agreed, just got to process the waste correctly.. if you're gonna use human waste, use a composting toilet, eventually that could be moved to the garden.
 

Abiqua

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There are people that grow big peppers and tomatoes without using a drop of piss. Same goes with weed.
Once it's broken down [the piss that is, or whatever you are using] it is just chemistry. The plant is still mainly uptaking no3 and some further broken down no2.

The nitrogen cycle is still an important part, whether its from plant waste or ass waste.
 

GrowerGoneWild

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Once it's broken down [the piss that is, or whatever you are using] it is just chemistry. The plant is still mainly uptaking no3 and some further broken down no2.

The nitrogen cycle is still an important part, whether its from plant waste or ass waste.
The plants my friend grew that he pissed on all the time didn't look any better than the seaweed or kelp based fertilizers that I used.

Feeding nitrogen is not something I want too much of anyways, especially in flower.
 
Throw some dandelion leaves into the compost pile. I've even dried the leaves and ran them through a coffee grinder and added them to the soil like any other amendment. Dandelions are awesome, and lucky for me, they comprise about 50% of my yard! Don't take the flowers or seeds though, just the leaves. Never tried a tea though, for myself or for the plants.
 

GrowerGoneWild

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Its all about the breakfast foods lately.

1) Eggshells, I've been saving my eggshells and drying them in the microwave, then I pulverize them in the blender. I could blend it with epsoms for a cal-mag treatment. Better than throwing away perfectly good calcium.

2) Coffee Grounds,/old coffee excellent ammendment if you are trying to lower PH. Dont over do it.. the PH of a cup of black coffee is around 4.

Gotta rant about this.. Dont piss on your plants, ever. This is a horrible idea, I thought I would experiment with this, and it did not end good. It raised the PH on my soil. And not only is it pathogenic, several sources cite that undiluted urine is toxic to plants.
 

werejammmin420

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I read somewhere that said letting fruit spoil (go mouldy) then use the juice as fertilizer! True or not ?? Serious answers pls
 

GrowerGoneWild

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I read somewhere that said letting fruit spoil (go mouldy) then use the juice as fertilizer! True or not ?? Serious answers pls
I tried using old fruit juice, undiluted directly on soil. I think I caused damp off or some kind of pythium infection. Im guessing that there is literally too much sugar and it will cause problems.
 
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