Unconventional Organics

Just added some pretty rotten stinky fruit and veg, which I'd forgotten about for a couple of weeks on to the compost pile(it was too smelly to go in my worm bin). Anyway, decided to give it a good spraying of lacto serum, cos I've read that it get rids of these kind of smells. While I was at it I gave my outdoor fruit trees a foliar with it too.........................and my dog walked past, who could do with a bath really and is a bit smelly, so he got it too pmsl, he actually enjoyed it.

Hahaha.......it works too, I wouldn't say the foul smell in the compost pile is totally eradicated yet, but it certainly smells much better than it did an hour ago and my dog definitely smells better

iHearAll said:

What scale are you talking about implementing? If you have kilo of eggshells, char them and mix with a liter of vinegar uncover for a week. You can use it in waterings @ 1:100 dilution after the week long extraction. Or charred bones and you get phosphorus. Pretty much the cost of vinegar if you regularly eat eggs, chicken wings, ribs, hunting scraps, etc. I've found deer skeletons in the area. If you're talking about a garden bigger than 40x40 ft then you could build a rock crusher with an electric motor, a large metal tube conneted to the motor by bike chain and gear, and a car axle inside the tube. The tube spins and the axle rolls over the material you stuff it with. If you cover one end completely and the other you can put a small slit on to pour out the powder as it gets crushed. Tilt the entire crusher ever so slightly lower at the slit end. (Like a cm or less off balance). Then get loads of shells, quartz, bones, frog, birds, hands of orphans, your ex, your dick and balls,... whatever you got, and smash it. You can make azomite this way from rocks. Sustainable agriculture's method of trace elements.

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What does the Quartz do? I found some chicken grit in my local petshop that consisted of ash, crushed seashells, red rock (?) and something else (no salt tho). Would this work as a trace element mix? Also, I have access to a lot of marble dust (paste, since they cut marble with water). Do you know if marble offers anything else other than Calcium?

ak84 said:

What does the Quartz do? I found some chicken grit in my local petshop that consisted of ash, crushed seashells, red rock (?) and something else (no salt tho). Would this work as a trace element mix? Also, I have access to a lot of marble dust (paste, since they cut marble with water). Do you know if marble offers anything else other than Calcium?

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http://www.growingagreenerworld.com/rock-minerals-as-soil-amendments/
Trace elements, granite would certainly be beneficial. Quartz is silica and trapped trace elements as well, not as great but abundant as riverstones here. Biodynamics would have you place quartz dust in a bullhorn and burry it over winter. Long drawn breaking down the crystal. Anyway.. calcium, mangesium, iron, and other elements in mineral forms.
http://www.gemrock.net/learn/rocks-minerals/
You'd only ever add rockdust once or twice a year depending on soil test results, that is if the soil test even measures the countless trace elements required. Check out azomite or similar products, somewhere is an ingredient list. It'll show you what to look for. Azomite is mined from one place i think. It just so happens to come out to be 70 some elements.

Edit: you'd be best not adding salts to your soil. Mayans apparently found that out the hard way.

Something I can not find much info on, Coquina.
From Wiki: "Coquina is mainly composed of the mineral calcite, often including some phosphate, in the form of seashells or coral." - "..and the coquina was burned and made into fertilizer." - "Because coquina often includes a component of phosphate, it is sometimes mined for use as fertilizer."

So trace phosphates, loads of calcium. Available in ton size stones, pounds size rocks, chunky gravel (like lava rock), and crushed (with sand or washed).

Anyone have any ideas of possible use? Char some washed/crushed on a grill plate and amend to soil in place of lime where lime is used?

SILKWORM CASTINGS! been using them for the 1st time this season as a top dressing with some great results so far

kilojay619 said:

SILKWORM CASTINGS! been using them for the 1st time this season as a top dressing with some great results so far

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i use insect frass (poop) wonder if it is the same as silkworm castings https://www.monstergardens.com/Insect-Frass,-2-lbs.&filter_name=fras

Good npk ratio. I just Google the silkworm and keeping them ad livestock is pretty popular. Never heard of doing that, but doesn't mean it's not a grwat idea. They fuck up some trees locally.

Is the poo brown/black or green?

I go to the fish market and get buckets of free fish heads and spines and plant them below each plant in my outdoor garden. Really good for tomatoes. I put a bunch under a little weed plant that I tricked back into vegging after I fully flowered the plant.

Its gonna be an interesting grow, I just kinda tossed it outside.

backtracker said:

i use insect frass (poop) wonder if it is the same as silkworm castings https://www.monstergardens.com/Insect-Frass,-2-lbs.&filter_name=fras

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Yes thats where I got the idea I have read great things about insect frass but that stuff is so expensive!

iHearAll said:

Good npk ratio. I just Google the silkworm and keeping them ad livestock is pretty popular. Never heard of doing that, but doesn't mean it's not a grwat idea. They fuck up some trees locally.

Is the poo brown/black or green?

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its black

Been using Epsom salts, coffee grounds, pee, leftover pasta water, milk, willow tree tea, well water, molasses, lactobacillus serum, crushed egg shells & banana peels were added to the soil back in April 2016. All are diluted with water when I use them. Making Calphos, grow formula & bloom formula right now. 16 going outside in northern tip NY, first time growing outside.

I hear that lit

Vlamingi said:

Been using Epsom salts, coffee grounds, pee, leftover pasta water, milk, willow tree tea, well water, molasses, lactobacillus serum, crushed egg shells & banana peels were added to the soil back in April 2016. All are diluted with water when I use them. Making Calphos, grow formula & bloom formula right now. 16 going outside in northern tip NY, first time growing outside.

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I hear that little kid pee is the best because they are growing so fast that whatever is making them do it is also in the pee. Asian folks at the com unity garden do it and they grow super nice plants.

I have willow tree leaves & tips fermenting right now, pretty crazy what the willow tree produces. When flowers start showing, I'll have a fermented banana, squash & carrots mixture. Been following this guy for awhile......theunconventionalfarmer.com

irieie said:

How much should I piss in my plants. Should I piss directly into the pots or should I pee into a cup and then mix it with water. I am thinking about the second route because I have trouble stopping midstream so measuring word be tough. What

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This might have been answered already but ive read that its best to dilute it to about a 1 to 10 ratio and that if you collect your urine about 30 minutes after taking a multi vitamin it will be stronger not sure if its true but i have read that on other threads

Id like to use 2-3 pds of mussel shells i have and throw them into my soil mix im cooking......my thouhts were to boil them then throw em in an old pillowcase to smask/pulverize with my 5 lb mini sledge .......does anyone have expriance with this?

HAHAHA I Love this thread!

I find it weird/crazy/hilarious that most of the stuff in here is about basically traditional composting... nothing unconventional about mussels, or scraps, or any other dead plant/animal matter... that's more conventional and traditional than modern ferts. Even things like vermicomposting... you're just putting nature in a box.

Currently using bag fertilizer... cheap stuff, worked out well though... trying to figure out composting in a SUPER humid, mostly cold environment...

I have known quite a number of people who used humanure... mainly urine, but also feces... I've never used feces... too much grossness factor unless you work out a good composting toilet (which are difficult to DIY and expensive to buy). I've used urine (1:10 ratio in water, as is generally recommended) with great success.

In general I think it's weird how we take so many resources out of our food cycle and call it waste. How many gardens could be fertilized with the amount of bodies NOT rotting in modern burials (Steel boxes, embalming etc...)? Or with our waste products? Anyone remember how much nitrogen there is in urine?

I just started to add a couple of my homemade KNF inputs into my aquaponic system. so far I've added oyster shells mixed into the cinder rock. and a few oz's of fermented plant juice and fermented fruit juice.. 1 week into flower everything looks great.

medical/420 said:

my buddy uses his Dog SHIT on his vegible garden. and I piss/urinenate on my vegible garden. I knew a guy that would pick up road kill and thow it in a pile and let it compost and use it on his Weed plants

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Dog shit is not tasty it is not the right manure at all

So I have been experimenting with a concentrated brew of silkworm frass (castings), kelp,molasses,fish emulsion,ground egg shells,bone meal, blood meal and humic acid. My goal is to make a ORGANIC mirco nutrient flowering bud sweller and fertilizer! I have 4 buckets hooked up to air stones much like a DWC set up where the mixture is brewing to aerate as well as continuously agitate the brew. I am going to let each of the buckets brew for a set amount of time to figure out what is the best time period for the brew. 3days,7days,10days and 14days. Please post any questions or suggestions. I will update as the project progresses

Currently fermenting some leaves from my last haze plant in a jar with a combination of Black Strap molasses 70% and 30% Sweet molasses. Recipe = 150g leaves fresh with about 150g molasses then using coconut water+ a bit of aloe juice raise the water level to cover the material in the large mason jar and a small splash of em microbes.
The 150g leaves basically fill the jar to the top.

Now for the wait of a few weeks to ensure that the plant matter has dissolved and then I will have a FPE that can really give a kick in the vegetative phase.