Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Kalyx

Active Member
I think Dank was joking yo! If you read back a ways you will find that some of us are tossing the guanos, and some other animal products back in and really enjoying the results. Myself included. Guano and fishbone meal are back in my mix and guano and AACT really go well together for cannabis flavor maximization IME.
 

WyoGrow

Active Member
To explain more: perlite is dead space in the microbial world.
I am sick of hearing this because it is complete BS. Perlite may not be biologically active when you add it to your mix. But it the instant it touches anything with microbial life it becomes fair game for colonization. These puffy little rocks don't remain dead spaces devoid of all life in your media. Perlite has an insane surface area.... perfect for nitrifying bacteria. I am tired of people pumping this bad info out. Perlite may not add life to your soil.... but it damned sure adds more possible spaces for beneficial critters to call home then damned near any other substrate additive.
 

WyoGrow

Active Member
In nature, plants don't feed on poop primarily. Of course animals live/poop/die in the woods, but the soil is still made mostly of decayed plant matter. I'm talking about a purist/elitist (i guess, because BioCanna is kinda pricey) form of horticulture intended for people with compromised immune systems.
Bacteria & various other micro/macro fauna (animals) are generally the prime movers in what performs the decomposition (decay) process. What is left over is their "poop". I see no difference between worm castings and my own poo.... they are both waste products of an animal carrying on about it's necessary biological process. The fact is, soil is what it is because it's made up of the waste products of other organisms.
 

WyoGrow

Active Member
i got a bacterial infection from some chicken poo. i collected it on an organic farm with some really awesome hippies. i sourced it myself and it was truly beautiful poo. we were so comfortable with it because it was freshly made by free roaming chickens. but im a nail bitter, and i got something nasty, my friend got it too. a couple weeks of confusion later and some antibiotics cleared it right up. rare worst case scenario right? but damn it got me thinkng...

and no one can say for sure it was the poo. an unknown bacterial infection for both myself and buddy same time right after harvesting the poo. who knows really with the chickens and the goats.
So you are taking your bad hygiene habits and the illness they cause and using it to vilify and condemn "inferior and UNHEALTHY organic growing" and to promote "superior veganic growing". If I ran around licking doorknobs in a hospital and wound up with the flu I wouldn't blame the damn hospital....

I read this entire damned thread in hopes of gleaning more organic growing tricks. Be it vegan, hippie, alien... whatever. All I read was a sales pitch for high priced bottled nutes and a very high and mighty personally opinionated "I grow better than you" comments. IMO all this "veganics" business is just an extension of the superior attitude that many "organic" growers seem to need to have over hydro & chem fert growers. But now it being 100% organic isn't the gold standard any more.... not to really think your shit doesn't stink you gotta grow vegan.
 

Shaanjii Dhansaki

Active Member
Hey everyone! I've been reading through this thread for a while now and I can't believe how many people actually spend the effort to post on here just to be negative! Why trash something that doesn't interest you?

Weird.

Anyway, I've been growing outside for the past 8 years but have suffered pretty badly at times due to weather, disease (a little mold) and most sadly - thieves. I find it tragic that someone would actually steal another mans crop, all the effort and love... gone. I digress, now I have the opportunity to grow inside and have complete control in a solo project. I am very excited about trying out a vegan diet for my new plants which will be started in the new year, I just have a couple of questions (if they have been recently answered I'm sorry);

A) Can anyone make some suggestions on really flavourful (anything novel, unusual, exotic etc.) varieties (available by seed) with heavy resin production for concentrates?
B) Are people using homemade potting mixes and, if so, what are they? I would rather make my own than buy something in.

Oh and uhh... C) What sort of yield drop has anyone noticed when switching to solely plant based nutes?

Thanks in advance for any answers either given or directed towards!
 

Cannabinoids

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So you are taking your bad hygiene habits and the illness they cause and using it to vilify and condemn "inferior and UNHEALTHY organic growing" and to promote "superior veganic growing". If I ran around licking doorknobs in a hospital and wound up with the flu I wouldn't blame the damn hospital....

I read this entire damned thread in hopes of gleaning more organic growing tricks. Be it vegan, hippie, alien... whatever. All I read was a sales pitch for high priced bottled nutes and a very high and mighty personally opinionated "I grow better than you" comments. IMO all this "veganics" business is just an extension of the superior attitude that many "organic" growers seem to need to have over hydro & chem fert growers. But now it being 100% organic isn't the gold standard any more.... not to really think your shit doesn't stink you gotta grow vegan.

^^^^^^^^^^^Look a angry pothead...they do exist!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you really just come here to bitch and criticize the man for share his method of growin? there are 1000s of ways to grow this plant. but I guess from seeing your mental meltdown that you MUST have THEE best and only CORRECT way to grow cannabis....

Please start a thread and teach us your ''never seen before'' growing techniques that separates you from matt

Either your off your pills or all 356 of your post must be dedicated to face kicking people in there ways of growing.

Matt Rizes name is know pretty much around the world for his veganics and hash....wtf are you know for exactly?

I sure hope you ave a LONG thread complaining about the prices of Advance nutrients. Actually I don't.

Please stop being a troll
 

SpliffAndMyLady

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So you are taking your bad hygiene habits and the illness they cause and using it to vilify and condemn "inferior and UNHEALTHY organic growing"
I agree with Canna, chill dude I swear I remember you doing a "organic" grow using only urine and EWC, how'd did that ever turn out? :lol: Sorry but I thought that was too funny.
 

SpliffAndMyLady

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FYI For those who didn't know the nitrogen found in urine is "sodium nitrate" which means your feeding salts to your soil, which the reason(s) I started steering away from using chemical nutes in the first place; Salt build ups kill my soil, if it kills my soil, it kills my plants, if it kills my plants then it must not be good; for me or my plants. Not only that its' pee! "If your main base nutrient is body waste or concentrated with salt"... it's probably not veganic. Peace.


Spliff
 

Cann

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I agree with ya Spliff, Wyo needs to chill a bit, but at the same time I think he has the right to call out this whole "veganics" thing...it does seem a bit high and mighty to me. Then again I think the same thing about vegans so to each his own...I'm still an earth lovin hippy I just think animals exist to be used! Their feces and carcasses are a massive waste problem, so why not turn it into food for plants? Seems logical to me....

Anyway, the reason I was compelled to post is this http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090918-urine-ash-fertilizer.html, a National Geo article about using a combination of diluted urine and ash as a complete fertilizer...read the study and then tell me that it can't be done....
 

SpliffAndMyLady

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Didn't say it couldn't be done, didn't say anything about diluting; of course if you dillute it it'll work as an "okay" at best fertilizer for cannabis. Have you ever used urine at a nutrient? Piss straight in your pot though and then tell me tell me it can be done....Go ahead, see what happens. Your plant will die because that pee is concentrated sodium. The miracle grow of organics lmao.
 

Shaanjii Dhansaki

Active Member
Okkkkkay, well happy new year first up!

Then...


From lack of input I have started some seeds I had floating around that are a mixture of crosses between a Himalayan Blue Diesel (f) and: an Assassin (m), a Russian Rocket Fuel (m) and another HBD (m). Does anyone have any idea what these might be like? I basically pollinated the female just because I could and wasn't really that interested in Auto's, but I'm intrigued now as I soaked 70 of them and 68 have germinated! They are about 3 years old and were in a baggy in the bottom of a cupboard, crazy how so many were still viable!


I have also found some seeds I secreted away even longer ago: firstly a hybrid Cheese seed from an older and much worshipped grower friend, not sure of the male but the female was the clone only South West Destroyer cut which was sadly allowed to go extinct 6 weeks ago when the owner of the mother went to Nepal on a spiritual journey (fuck that 'exodus cut' in seed form, nothing like the true UK cheese...! :-?). 2 landrace Thai seeds (which were brought back for me by another friend), a seed from a purple pheno White Rhino which was uncharacteristically strong and a couple of novel crosses between NLx5 and something I don't recognise by smell, taste, high or sight. Promises to be interesting if nothing else, difference in flowering times might make a simultaneous grow somewhat irksome but I might try them anyway as can't be bothered to look for new strains when I have these on my desk. Although they are probably void now, youngest one in there must be 4 years old...


Will let you know how they take? (Everything but the auto's will be veganic).
 

Cann

Well-Known Member
Didn't say it couldn't be done, didn't say anything about diluting; of course if you dillute it it'll work as an "okay" at best fertilizer for cannabis. Have you ever used urine at a nutrient? Piss straight in your pot though and then tell me tell me it can be done....Go ahead, see what happens. Your plant will die because that pee is concentrated sodium. The miracle grow of organics lmao.
Never used it as a nutrient before, but if I were to use it I would NEVER piss straight into my pot...thats just dumb as fuck lol. IMO its a waste of time to use, but I think the proper mixture of urine, ash, and other nutrients could actually create a pretty good fertilizer, better than "okay" at best, and definitely better than no fertilizer for those who are on a tiny budget. It's feasible, it just isn't really worth the effort for the results unless you are suuuuper desperate
 

boofhacks

Member
sweet post nut wherez the actual veganics info. how bout a kushman feeding schedule? or even some insight into the combination of ingredients n brands he uses!
 

WyoGrow

Active Member
I agree with Canna, chill dude I swear I remember you doing a "organic" grow using only urine and EWC, how'd did that ever turn out? :lol: Sorry but I thought that was too funny.
Just urine and wood ash in DWC. Tomatoes are growing like champs. Still waiting on the outcome of the superbowl to pick who eats the wizz-maters.
 

WyoGrow

Active Member
^^^^^^^^^^^Look a angry pothead...they do exist!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you really just come here to bitch and criticize the man for share his method of growin? there are 1000s of ways to grow this plant. but I guess from seeing your mental meltdown that you MUST have THEE best and only CORRECT way to grow cannabis....

Please start a thread and teach us your ''never seen before'' growing techniques that separates you from matt

Either your off your pills or all 356 of your post must be dedicated to face kicking people in there ways of growing.

Matt Rizes name is know pretty much around the world for his veganics and hash....wtf are you know for exactly?

I sure hope you ave a LONG thread complaining about the prices of Advance nutrients. Actually I don't.

Please stop being a troll

Not angry at all. Might be eventually devling into the realm of mildly irritated. I could care less how "famous" Matt is in any community he chooses to be a part of, regardless of how good his "shit" is. What I don't dig is people using flat out personal opinion stated as fact as a way to hype up whatever bandwagon they happen to be a party to at this particular point in time.

I am known for my sweet muffin ass and big kitten eyes....
 

couchloc

Member
Great thread, thanks. I'm always glad to see plant-based nutrition discussed in any context. I've read the first 100 pages, so please forgive me if my questions have already been answered and point me to the correct pages. In mid-2011, the conversation was getting very complicated with dozens of media, supplements and fertilizers being discussed. There was also occasional mention of creating a vegan soil mix, which might simplify things for those of who don't need optimal results but still want to try vegan for their own reasons. I'd like to get an opinion on a couple of products I've come across - a bagged vegan potting soil and a vegan fertilizer - that look interesting to me. Is a working recipe for a vegan soil mix available? What do you think of using the above products with minimal additions - perlite, lime, minerals and Mycorrhizae? Am I missing any essentials? How much of each would you use? What else (also, how much of it and when) would you use to boost flower production? Finally, is the book mentioned elsewhere that promises step-by-step tutorials of the more complicated methods discussed in this thread (or a similar resource) available? Thanks, again!
 

tekdc911

Well-Known Member
any suggestions for a gravity fed system maybe a auto pot for a autoflower grow i guess im asking if theres any turn key vegan ferts i could use
 

tekdc911

Well-Known Member
Okkkkkay, well happy new year first up!

Then...


From lack of input I have started some seeds I had floating around that are a mixture of crosses between a Himalayan Blue Diesel (f) and: an Assassin (m), a Russian Rocket Fuel (m) and another HBD (m). Does anyone have any idea what these might be like? I basically pollinated the female just because I could and wasn't really that interested in Auto's, but I'm intrigued now as I soaked 70 of them and 68 have germinated! They are about 3 years old and were in a baggy in the bottom of a cupboard, crazy how so many were still viable!


I have also found some seeds I secreted away even longer ago: firstly a hybrid Cheese seed from an older and much worshipped grower friend, not sure of the male but the female was the clone only South West Destroyer cut which was sadly allowed to go extinct 6 weeks ago when the owner of the mother went to Nepal on a spiritual journey (fuck that 'exodus cut' in seed form, nothing like the true UK cheese...! :-?). 2 landrace Thai seeds (which were brought back for me by another friend), a seed from a purple pheno White Rhino which was uncharacteristically strong and a couple of novel crosses between NLx5 and something I don't recognise by smell, taste, high or sight. Promises to be interesting if nothing else, difference in flowering times might make a simultaneous grow somewhat irksome but I might try them anyway as can't be bothered to look for new strains when I have these on my desk. Although they are probably void now, youngest one in there must be 4 years old...


Will let you know how they take? (Everything but the auto's will be veganic).
the assassin and hbd hmm i would like to see the out come as for the rocket fuel and hbd theres not much difference other then the blue trait that i could tell maybe youll get lucky and they'll all be the monster pheno good luck love to see some pics
 
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