Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Perfect time to inoculate is while transplanting. You can sprinkle some in under your root ball, and water some in. Kushman constantly re-inoculates, something I am sure has any affect.
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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sharpshoota
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should I add humic acid every feeding??
edit: I have humega but I was interested in getting rare earth by GH because of its silicates, on top of the humates and minerals.. whats your thoughts on the product?
edit: I have humega but I was interested in getting rare earth by GH because of its silicates, on top of the humates and minerals.. whats your thoughts on the product?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I have not used the rare earth, but I like the description. Although Larry, GH, is anti certification which means he is never going to make the final cut.
Many of our products have humic acid in them already. Myco madness is an example. And yes, a little every feeding to help build your media and to chelate.
NightbirdX
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Where in Michigan are they opening up a shop if you don't mind? I live in Michigan and would love to have a chat/visit with them, lol.
NightbirdX
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I see you guys talking about innoculants and teas. Could someone give some clarification as to what this entails and which products I might consider?
sharpshoota
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inncoluants and teas basically build the beneficial bacteria in your medium so your roots can absorb whats readily available more effiecently.
sharpshoota
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General hydropnics subculture is a good incoulant.
as far as teas, most organic growers use guano for teas, however, the basis of veganics is loose the shit. so we wont teach that here.
i use (Vermicrop Organics VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment was created for the organic gardener. VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment has a unique blend of earthworm castings, compost, fossilized kelp, humus, rock minerals, and mycorrhizae to provide ample amounts of micro nutrients, trace minerals, and beneficial microbes)
^^^the only questionable thing in it is the earthworm castings which is a still a debate i believe depending on the acutal earthworms and where they are from, hopefully not shit. lol. but since i dont have my own compost this is what i use.
then you have to aerate this. as well as feed molasses to the microbes and bacteria in the tea so they will multiply into a diverse population.
as far as teas, most organic growers use guano for teas, however, the basis of veganics is loose the shit. so we wont teach that here.
i use (Vermicrop Organics VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment was created for the organic gardener. VermiBlend Premium Soil Amendment has a unique blend of earthworm castings, compost, fossilized kelp, humus, rock minerals, and mycorrhizae to provide ample amounts of micro nutrients, trace minerals, and beneficial microbes)
^^^the only questionable thing in it is the earthworm castings which is a still a debate i believe depending on the acutal earthworms and where they are from, hopefully not shit. lol. but since i dont have my own compost this is what i use.
then you have to aerate this. as well as feed molasses to the microbes and bacteria in the tea so they will multiply into a diverse population.
sharpshoota
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roots organic makes a product called "oregonism xl" it has a good amount of endo/ecto mycorrhize and trichoderma
NightbirdX
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I have a Mycorhizzae powder I top feed every couple of weeks and after transplanting.
I also have been using Peppermint Jim Soil rejuvenator which is an 100% Organic Mint compost which is made locally in St. John's, Michigan. It was recommended by a friend at the grow shop when I was having trouble with yellowing during the veg and worked great, the roots really love it, so I have added it to the mix during transplanting and i'll sprinkle some on every couple of weeks.
Does it sound like I am heading in the right direction?
I also have been using Peppermint Jim Soil rejuvenator which is an 100% Organic Mint compost which is made locally in St. John's, Michigan. It was recommended by a friend at the grow shop when I was having trouble with yellowing during the veg and worked great, the roots really love it, so I have added it to the mix during transplanting and i'll sprinkle some on every couple of weeks.
Does it sound like I am heading in the right direction?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Exactly. That's the idea. With a does of compost tea, or two, that's the life aka microbes.
NightbirdX
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It sounds like my research and the advice given on the organic approach was spot on. I have been going in the right direction and didn't even know it, lol.
fourtwentyish
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I am glad I came across this thread. I practice a vegan lifestyle and had a bit of difficulty planning out my first grow because of lack of info available. I just hit up a bunch of local places that sell nutes and found the ones that didn't have animal by products in them. My first grow attempt with bag seed didn't make it. I added nutes to the soil before planting the seedlings, won't repeat that mistake. Got some feminized white widow seeds germinating now and picked up some seedling friendly soil to start with as well. I am very happy to see "plant based organic horticulture" as a rising trend. Keep up the good work fellas.
btw, I have been lurking here for quite some time but never posted. Thanks for giving me a reason to pop my cherry
btw, I have been lurking here for quite some time but never posted. Thanks for giving me a reason to pop my cherry
NightbirdX
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So I have been using this Peppermint Jim's Soil Rejuvenator as a source of Nitrogen. You were talking about the guanos for tea. Are you using it for Nitrogen and general plant health? Would my soil rejuvenator be a good replacement for guano?
This is the site where it explains what it is made of and what it does. It is 100% organic and veganic, made from Mint compost. Any thoughts anyone?
sharpshoota
Active Member
it is a very interesting find you have there, i personally have never heard of it... from what i found its just broken down plant matter, which is what veganics is all about.
Yes the idea with adding the guanos is to add nitrogen or phosphurs depending on which you buy... but again i am not reccommending guano as this is a veganics and we are here to promote alternative methods of growing, cause really who likes getting there hands full of shit lol but basically your compost is providing the beneficial aerobic organisms, in a compost tea. you can add nutriends but thats not really the idea, its to build the microbial life, correct me if im wrong matt...
NightbirdX
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Ya, I had never heard of it nor did I know anyone that used it until I talked to a friend about the problems I was having and he recommended it. I was using it to help sooth some stressed malnutritioned plants, but reading up on it, it seemed like a 2 for 1 kind of a thing.
The more I was reading about the teas, the more I thought it was appropriate for this grow method adding the microbial life. I just wanted to check with the experts.
I have been using it at about week 2 of Veg, top feeding it and watering it in. We were having some problems with some mothers and I sprinkled it on top of it and it worked great to liven the plants back up, even though we later had to scrap the mothers. 
I have been adding Plant Succes Organic Soluble Miycorrhizae also at about 4 weeks of veg top sprinkled on top and watered in.
When is the suggested time to use innoculants and teas?
sharpshoota
Active Member
Matt is the real expert here but i like to help out where i can... you should read up on his threads, hes got some good info here as well...Ya, I had never heard of it nor did I know anyone that used it until I talked to a friend about the problems I was having and he recommended it. I was using it to help sooth some stressed malnutritioned plants, but reading up on it, it seemed like a 2 for 1 kind of a thing.
The more I was reading about the teas, the more I thought it was appropriate for this grow method adding the microbial life. I just wanted to check with the experts.
I have been adding Plant Succes Organic Soluble Miycorrhizae also at about 4 weeks of veg top sprinkled on top and watered in.
When is the suggested time to use innoculants and teas?
u want to use teas all through the life cycle because it helps the microbial life in the soil thrive, the mycorrhiaze you dont need to use all the time. maybe twice. during veg. im sure others have some input on this...
RPsmoke420
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Hey Matt... how about pest control? I will admit, i am guilty of using Hot Shot No Pest Strips. They contain dichlorvos as I'm sure ya know. Heard some complain of rashes from this. I remember we talked breifly about some issues with neem "super concentrates" such as Azamax. I think it was something with old people skin?
http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Pesticide/fs20.dichlorvos.cfmhttp://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Pesticide/fs20.dichlorvos.cfm
OSHA recommend limited exposure:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/dichlorvos/recognition.html
So what are some great "Veganic" pest solutions? How about preventatives? Things like sand for Gnats and what not. It'd be great. Thanks man.
Would also be cool to see what plants would help outdoors. I know certain plants chase of specific pests (sometimes). Would be another cool read.
Toking and typing
http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Pesticide/fs20.dichlorvos.cfmhttp://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Pesticide/fs20.dichlorvos.cfm
OSHA recommend limited exposure:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/dichlorvos/recognition.html
So what are some great "Veganic" pest solutions? How about preventatives? Things like sand for Gnats and what not. It'd be great. Thanks man.
Would also be cool to see what plants would help outdoors. I know certain plants chase of specific pests (sometimes). Would be another cool read.
Toking and typing
NightbirdX
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I was wondering that also. I apply neem 2-3 times prior to flowering to help with PM and mites, and so far it has worked wonders. But in our flower room we had an outbreak of spidermites about halfway through flowering and we aren't sure what to do about it, so far I've just been trying to take them off of the plant when I see build up. Any advice?
coolupdscene
Member
dude, canna will make amazing plants but it is still bottled...and mined...so its not really part of the holy grail of TRUE organics. Most ppl wanna think that just cause it has the carbon lifeforms present that that is what makes organic...it does "scientifically" but not REALLY. Im not trying to bash ur style bro but I preach TRUE organics with compost teas and composted soil using sustainable nutrients and compost matter and NEVER bottled thus the plant is truly ur own brand, not the government brand, figuratively speaking. I personally dont care about "Vegan" organics cause all the best life comes from death neways. We need to start worrying about sustainability rather than the next non-"meat" product we can buy...its about the planet we breathe rather than trying to create our own little bubble of "health" even though the bubble still harms the environment so it wont make u live longer neway...
coolupdscene
Member
With the theory out there, let's go to practice. Vegan is showing up on all sorts of labels these days, but the word itself means little. Most chemy nutes are vegan. What I am talking about when I say veganics is plant-based nutes.
That brings us to the best nute company in the world, CANNA. Who else has the balls to directly label the product this way? I've never tested their chemy lines but have read great reviews. The BioCanna line is the backbone of veganics, and on a level all its own in the nute world. Don't you just love the smell of Vega and Flores? Yum, like molasses and soy sauce. If you are on a budget the BioBoost can be foliar fed, but both is better. One thing to note is that advanced gardeners will have to feed heavy and possibly supplement N in veg and P/K in flower for optimal results. The BioCanna website has lots of great info about the special process of plant fermentation and extraction used to make this unique line of nutes. They are sourcing from all over the world to make the best vegan organic plant-extract nutes.[
dude, canna will make amazing plants but it is still bottled...and mined...so its not really part of the holy grail of TRUE organics. Most ppl wanna think that just cause it has the carbon lifeforms present that that is what makes organic...it does "scientifically" but not REALLY. Im not trying to bash ur style bro but I preach TRUE organics with compost teas and composted soil using sustainable nutrients and compost matter and NEVER bottled thus the plant is truly ur own brand, not the government brand, figuratively speaking. I personally dont care about "Vegan" organics cause all the best life comes from death neways. We need to start worrying about sustainability rather than the next non-"meat" product we can buy...its about the planet we breathe rather than trying to create our own little bubble of "health" even though the bubble still harms the environment so it wont make u live longer neway...
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