Wolverine97
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Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I actually have not used the karanja cake. But I am using the neem cake, about a tsp per gallon... or not much.
SlightlyVaped
Member
Is this the old recipe or a new one?
Last time I talked with a Canna Rep I was told the US would not allow a few of their ingredients to be imported (European peat I believe was one) and they were working on creating a new version for the US market with an initial vegan charge instead of the animal byproduct they were using.
This was last summer sometime so things could of changed, but he did give a early-mid 2012 time frame.
sharpshoota
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yes and yes. heres a good link
http://medicalmarijuana.com/experts/expert/title.cfm?artID=64
also adding different organic material will create either fungal or bacterial dominate teas, get your google on and educate yourself, its the best way.. no offense
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
For farks sake I just ran out of my BTP stash, and I switched it up to some foxfarms, the plants are not loving it thats for sure. If the BioTerra Plus comes back that will be some great news.
SlightlyVaped
Member
Which fox farm soil?
I have been using a 70/30 mix of Happy Frog/Canna Coco for over a year now with no issues.
I have been using a 70/30 mix of Happy Frog/Canna Coco for over a year now with no issues.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I mixed happy frog with ocean forest, neither of which are vegan. Those two, mostly happy frog, mixed with grade 4 perlite, EWC, compost, neem cake, dolomite lime, vegan meal (cottonseed, alfalfa, kelp), inoculant, biochar, i forget what else...
SlightlyVaped
Member
Oh I know it's not vegan, but nothing is so what are you going to do...
From my understanding the Ocean Forest is hotter than the Happy Frog, have you tried cutting out the Ocean Forest in your mix?
How much of a nutrient charge is in BTP? I am assuming we are trying to come as close as we can to that mix to compliment the BioCanna nutrient feedings.
From my understanding the Ocean Forest is hotter than the Happy Frog, have you tried cutting out the Ocean Forest in your mix?
How much of a nutrient charge is in BTP? I am assuming we are trying to come as close as we can to that mix to compliment the BioCanna nutrient feedings.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I should have mixed some coco in to the Fox Farm, thats what is really missing. The Ocean Forest is hottter than the BTP, which is pretty weak nutritionally. I used about 1 part ocean forest to 3 parts happy frog.
Sr. Verde
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I'm a fox farms soil whore.. you like the bioterra plus better?
FFOF just keeps my plants stable and the soil seems healthy... I thought my only options were FFOF, miracle grow.. or mixing/composting my own (the best, but most difficult and time consuming)..
Ill look into the BTP!
FFOF just keeps my plants stable and the soil seems healthy... I thought my only options were FFOF, miracle grow.. or mixing/composting my own (the best, but most difficult and time consuming)..
Ill look into the BTP!
silverpanic99
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Kyle Kushman says that worm castings are vegan but it really depends on your definition of vegan amendments. Stay Lifted!
Am i the only one using CocoNOT (i hate that they called it that!) in my mixes?
I know Kushman recommended it on his site/forum as an all vegan alternative to BTP (not sure if he still does) but didn't you use it once Matt and end up not liking it? I think cuz it's PH issues?
I had VERY good success with it but in VEG only, and it was straight out of the bag, no amendments. By the time you get to flowering i think it loses its ability to buffer PH, and with my bloom nutes in the 4.0's it all went to shit (i think that's why).
So back to the point, i have been getting good results with:
1 bag coconot
1 bag Ednas organic potting mix (Armstrong garden center), previously happy frog but i didn't like it (next time it will be vermicrop's bagged soil)
1/2 bag vermiblend compost
maybe 10% perlite (less because the coconot is VERY airy)
EWC
dolomite lime
alfalfa meal
epsom salt
next mix i will also throw in some kelp meal
Now, vermicrop organics also recommends a mix of 1 bag coconot to 1 bag vermiblend compost (2cubic feet to 1cubic feet) i will do a side by side with my full mix and just this sometime soon. I hope this mix kicks ass as it would be VEGAN, there is no bone/blood/feather/guano in the vermiblend compost!!
Actually i need to verify that with vermicrop, there ingredients lists "compost" so i guess who really knows what the compost is made of?
"Derived from: Compost, Earthworm castings, Humus, Kelp and Mycorrhizal Fungi."
I know Kushman recommended it on his site/forum as an all vegan alternative to BTP (not sure if he still does) but didn't you use it once Matt and end up not liking it? I think cuz it's PH issues?
I had VERY good success with it but in VEG only, and it was straight out of the bag, no amendments. By the time you get to flowering i think it loses its ability to buffer PH, and with my bloom nutes in the 4.0's it all went to shit (i think that's why).
So back to the point, i have been getting good results with:
1 bag coconot
1 bag Ednas organic potting mix (Armstrong garden center), previously happy frog but i didn't like it (next time it will be vermicrop's bagged soil)
1/2 bag vermiblend compost
maybe 10% perlite (less because the coconot is VERY airy)
EWC
dolomite lime
alfalfa meal
epsom salt
next mix i will also throw in some kelp meal
Now, vermicrop organics also recommends a mix of 1 bag coconot to 1 bag vermiblend compost (2cubic feet to 1cubic feet) i will do a side by side with my full mix and just this sometime soon. I hope this mix kicks ass as it would be VEGAN, there is no bone/blood/feather/guano in the vermiblend compost!!
Actually i need to verify that with vermicrop, there ingredients lists "compost" so i guess who really knows what the compost is made of?
"Derived from: Compost, Earthworm castings, Humus, Kelp and Mycorrhizal Fungi."
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
That is how I explained it to him.
Yes, I think you are alone.
Yeah, not a big fan of the coconot. I'd rather use a coco and peat mix.
Yes, I think that is why as well.
Nice mix.
Dank Raptor
Active Member
I use something similiar. It is a composted redwood, firbark and peat base. With mushroom compost, Volcanic pumice, EWC, Perlite, washed sand, Kelp meal, Yucca and soluble mycorrhizae. Balanced with oystershell and dolomite.
Top shelf all day.