Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

So someone asked in another thread for another term for dabbing: I figured I would post it here too cause this is where I learned to DAB. Danks, Matt. RIZE UP!

We say torching as a synonym for dabbing at my house.

Bubbler, Joint or Torch (my JBD turned into my dabbing rig)? Is the usual question.

Our Bubbler lives in the fridge(by coloraddicts), Joints are rolled with club glueless papes, and the dabs are only IWE round these parts. Yes, I am a weed nerd/snob.

I always answer torch EVERY time! Unfortunately I do more asking than choosing.

Oh yeah its all VEGANIC cannabis resins now since I found this thread and a local shop got CANNA. Yields a bit down but I am HIGHER than ever. Quality Control!

im not dead or locked up! just without internet at the ranch...
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Someone mentioned before earlier in the thread that they were gonna sum up the thread or atleast all the importent posts into a doc or pdf. Was wondering if it has been done bcuz my internet here were am at right now is realy slow so cant browse all the pages. Would appreciatet it

Much love

iamAK47 said:

Someone mentioned before earlier in the thread that they were gonna sum up the thread or atleast all the importent posts into a doc or pdf. Was wondering if it has been done bcuz my internet here were am at right now is realy slow so cant browse all the pages. Would appreciatet it

Much love

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Yes, it's a sticky as well in the organic section. At the bottom of the stickys I believe, below this one.

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Looking good man.

Yes, beautiful.

Hey riu veganic heads!! What the consensus on ph ing? Last run i didn't and had a slight mg deficiency in flower due to low ph...it was only in 1 strain, but still.

So should i constanly ph, ph starting mid veg-late veg, or add a camg throughout??

I have done 2 complete rize up veganic grows. The one I pHed (I use ro so nutes took it below 5 and I used ej natural up) eventually got above 7 runoff at the end. The second one I didn't pH at all and it ran off at 6.1-6.3 no matter what the input pH (nute waterings were very low and my AACT tends to come out higher pH due to bacteria I think). It was easier and better pH wise on my second run. I still think its a good idea to test runoff pH just to make sure the bennies have it where cannabis wants it.

Edit: I run GO camg at 2.5ml/gal in veg and up it to 5ml/gal in bloom. I also add lime to my mix. (RO water) i taper of the camg in late bloom

Alright so i'm looking for a vegan soil mix, bagged or not.
I want to do a side by side grow with Supersoil and then a vegan mix.
Anyone have any soil mixes they care to share?

smang said:

Alright so i'm looking for a vegan soil mix, bagged or not.
I want to do a side by side grow with Supersoil and then a vegan mix.
Anyone have any soil mixes they care to share?

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I've been using Bio Canna for a while now and I've had the best success with a humus rich bagged soil such as Happy Frog or Ocean Forest. I amend with Dolomite Lime and a great local compost mix. I also use GO CaMg+

I use promix BX...add a little perlite, kelp meal, EWC and neem cake. Seems to work wonders with my biocanna line

Bird Gymnastics said:

I use promix BX...add a little perlite, kelp meal, EWC and neem cake. Seems to work wonders with my biocanna line

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Huh, I'm surprised it works with promix. I tried it on sunshine #4 advanced with is similar to promix and it didn't work well.

Talked with Canna and the said that the Substra line was for that style soil and biocanna was intended for a humus rich, well composted soil.
After switching it made a HUGE difference. So much more nutrient friendly and much better yield.

boarderofsnow said:

Huh, I'm surprised it works with promix. I tried it on sunshine #4 advanced with is similar to promix and it didn't work well.

Talked with Canna and the said that the Substra line was for that style soil and biocanna was intended for a humus rich, well composted soil.
After switching it made a HUGE difference. So much more nutrient friendly and much better yield.

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I guess I cheat. I use compost teas in first week and 3-4th week of flower. Never used humus in my soil but I can imagine how much better it will make. What type of yields are you looking at? I average 6-750grams per light (1k watt HPS) with my "low yielding" strains like white fire, SFV OG and la confidential.

My reason behind not using happy frog or ocean forest is I am not 100% vegan organic. If I'm gonna drop the dollar on canna I want to get my monies worth you just have to supplement it right or amend your soil properly. But I will post pictures once I harvest...expecting 50 zips for 2k watts.

smang

Alright so i'm looking for a vegan soil mix, bagged or not.
I want to do a side by side grow with Supersoil and then a vegan mix.
Anyone have any soil mixes they care to share?​

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My mix that I use with veganic growing is not itself vegan. BlueJ has a post your soil(less) mix thread in organics and he does list his vegan soil mix.

Bird Gymnastics

I use promix BX...add a little perlite, kelp meal, EWC and neem cake. Seems to work wonders with my biocanna line ​

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Bird G your garden looks great. What size containers do you run and how hard/often are you feeding the biocanna to get them to thrive like that? It looks like your yield will be stellar which has not been my experience on my first two biocanna runs.

Kalyx said:

My mix that I use with veganic growing is not itself vegan. BlueJ has a post your soil(less) mix thread in organics and he does list his vegan soil mix.



Bird G your garden looks great. What size containers do you run and how hard/often are you feeding the biocanna to get them to thrive like that? It looks like your yield will be stellar which has not been my experience on my first two biocanna runs.

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I have 2different containers in there. I have a 3x3 table which I run 9.5" square pots (approximately 3 gallons) under one light (left light) and 6 5 gallon containers under the other light. I water about every other day to every 3 days (at least twice a week). I try to feed once a week but sometimes I end up feeding twice. But, in between feedings I always make sure to give them some sort of AACT or only water mixed in with hygrozyme/Cannazyme.

This is how my basic schedule goes: (strain specific)

W1- 10ml vega, 2-5 ml Flores, 2 ml hygrozyme, 5 ml
AACT (vegan compost, EWC, soluable seaweed, Mayan, fermented sugar cane or molasses, hygrozyme)
w2- 8ml vega, 5-8 ml Flores, 2 ml hygrozyme, 10 ml fulpower
W3- 2-5 ml vega, 8-12ml Flores, 2 ml hygrozyme, 10 ml fFulpower
AACT
W4- 10-15ml Flores, 2ml hygrozyme, 2-5ml boost
W5- 10-15 ml Flores, 2ml hygrozyme, 5 ml Fulpower, 5-10 ml boost
W6- 10-15 ml Flores, 2 ml hygrozyme, 10ml boost
W7- 5-12 ml Flores, 2 ml hygrozyme, 5-10ml boost
W8-W10- 5-10 ml boost, 2ml hygrozyme

I don't flush but I might just give it RO AND HYGROZYMe depending on how the plant is turning out.

smang said:

Alright so i'm looking for a vegan soil mix, bagged or not.
I want to do a side by side grow with Supersoil and then a vegan mix.
Anyone have any soil mixes they care to share?

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Here's what I'm using:

Dolomite lime –1 cup (I use Epsoma)
Neem cake – 1 cup (http://www.neemresource.com)
Karanja cake – 1 cup (http://www.neemresource.com)
Mykos – 1 cup (I use Xtreme Gardening Mykos, awesome and cheap. I also reapply with their Mykos WP early flower the feeding after a good P dose. I also use Roots Oregonism on rooted cuttings.)
Coffee/tea grounds – 2 cup
Greensand – 1 cup

2 gallons coco chips (I’m trying out coco croutons)
2 bales compressed coco coir fibers (GO Coco Tek OMRI coir)
3 gallons EWC
3 gallons worm compost

Makes about 35-40 gallons of soil. I soak the coco bales in AACT instead of plain water.

smang said:

Alright so i'm looking for a vegan soil mix, bagged or not.
I want to do a side by side grow with Supersoil and then a vegan mix.
Anyone have any soil mixes they care to share?

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I used to start with pure coco coir and peat moss as my base but I have found almost identical results just using Promix BX. I mix my soil in percentages rather then cups. For example, if I'm filling one of my 50 gallon containers with soil, I will use 1 gallon containers as my "cup" and mix accordingly. I like to do about 20-25% EWC, so for every 4 "cups" of soil I will mix in 1 "cup" of EWC. Make sense? Lol
So this is my mix: (w/ ProMix)
- 25% EWC
- 10% Kelp Meal
- 10% Perlite
- 5% Neem Cake

I mix approximately 1/2-1 cup great white, water it in and let it sit for about 2-4 weeks.

My Actual mix:
- 40% Pure Coco Coir (Canna)
- 10% Peat Moss
- 20% EWC
- 15% Perlite
- 10% kelp meal
- 5% neem cake

This also gets the great white as well as a cup full of dolomite lime.

I didn't think they were, but most (or all) large vermicomposting companies use chicken/horse manures etc. to feed their worms (as well as green manure/compost). I had no idea until i started researching the worm business. All the more reason to have your own worm bin/farm at home so you know exactly what's in it, otherwise i wouldn't use commercial worm castings that aren't disclaiming what they feed their worms and i don't think you could call it vegan gardening or plant based when the EWC's are just vermicomposted animal shit.

I know Wiggle Worm EWC is the main brand sold in hydro/grow shops & considered excellent EWC but UNCO industries i don't think will divulge what is in their "unique" blend they feed their worms.

Anyone know of a commercially available "green compost" only worm casting?

I only bring this up because it's news to me, and when i was growing strictly plant based i made the assumption my worm castings were plant fed and I was okay with that, now that I know the BLACK GOLD brand that I was specifically using was vermicomposted chicken/horse shit I'm not so okay with that. Maybe i'm less informed than most in this department but i figured someone else might be in the same boat

This thread is kicking ass!