Vote yes prop 19

medicineman

medicineman

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Prop 19 will become the law of Ca. All you growers can bitch and moan all you want, but it will become legal for all adults to grow their own, so sorry. The price should drop like a rock, that is the real reason that those growers are opposed. 25.00 dollar OZs, may be a little far fetched. When I was a kid, OZs were from 10.00-25.00, 25.00 was for columbian Gold, Acapulco gold, and Panama Red, and Thai weed. Thai weed was a little more if it was purchased by the stick for street sale. I used to buy pounds of Thai for 200.00. In twenty years, pot has gone from 10-25 bucks an OZ to 300-600 an OZ. Talk about inflation. With the illegality taken out, prices are certain to come to a more realistic area. I'd say it will be common to find good weed for 50.00 an OZ within a year or two, for sure, no more than 100.00 an OZ.
BTW, one of the best strains of weed I ever smoked, was Michoacon, right next to Panama red. Also 25.00 an OZ.
Old school rules. I wonder if any of those old time growers kept any of those seeds, they'd be priceless now.
 
beardo

beardo

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medicineman said:
Prop 19 will become the law of Ca. All you growers can bitch and moan all you want, but it will become legal for all adults to grow their own, so sorry. The price should drop like a rock, that is the real reason that those growers are opposed. 25.00 dollar OZs, may be a little far fetched. When I was a kid, OZs were from 10.00-25.00, 25.00 was for columbian Gold, Acapulco gold, and Panama Red, and Thai weed. Thai weed was a little more if it was purchased by the stick for street sale. I used to buy pounds of Thai for 200.00. In twenty years, pot has gone from 10-25 bucks an OZ to 300-600 an OZ. Talk about inflation. With the illegality taken out, prices are certain to come to a more realistic area. I'd say it will be common to find good weed for 50.00 an OZ within a year or two, for sure, no more than 100.00 an OZ.
BTW, one of the best strains of weed I ever smoked, was Michoacon, right next to Panama red. Also 25.00 an OZ.
Old school rules. I wonder if any of those old time growers kept any of those seeds, they'd be priceless now.
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Prop 19 will fail- vote no-If it were to pass you would see little to no price reduction. Your talking about the price when you were a kid-10-25$ an OZ , for outdoor in 1964? 1974? -how much was a gallon of gas when you were a kid? how much was a OZ of gold?-you spoke of inflation ,lets keep it in perspective. I am also willing to bet your 10$ OZ cost less to produce than todays 300$ OZ
 
medicineman

medicineman

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beardo said:
Prop 19 will fail- vote no-If it were to pass you would see little to no price reduction. Your talking about the price when you were a kid-10-25$ an OZ , for outdoor in 1964? 1974? -how much was a gallon of gas when you were a kid? how much was a OZ of gold?-you spoke of inflation ,lets keep it in perspective. I am also willing to bet your 10$ OZ cost less to produce than todays 300$ OZ
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Gas was 35 cents a gallon, 10 times inflation= 3.50 a gal, pot, 10.00 an Oz, ten times inflation= 100.00 an Oz. About the cost, after my initial expense of about 300.00 for the lights, pumps baskets, seeds, and all the little stuff, my most expensive grow expense was the pure water, about 7.50 per week, times16 weeks=120.00, for an Lb. of bud. pretty cheap I'd say, then as for the electric, I really didn't notice any appreciable difference in the electric bill, maybe 10.00 a mo or so, so all in all, no more than 200.00 an Lb., less than most drug ripoff dealers charge for an Oz. Bubbler systems are cheap and effective. In 8 sq ft area, I grew 16-18 ozs every 100 days or so, that's an Oz a week. Cheap weed, 12.50 an oz. The inflation is from the greedy growers and dealers, why? Well one reason for sure besides the greed is illegality. legalize, and free market will surely drive down the price.
 
medicineman

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fdd2blk said:
free electricity. nice. :clap:
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Did I mention free, no! I said it was not noticeable, maybe 10.00 a month. We have 200-300 monthly electric bills here in Vegas, Since I quit growing, I have not noticed any appreciable difference. I'm sure it was not free. but still, the cost of an OZ would still have been less than 20 bucks an oz even with a substantial electric cost. I only used a 200 watt sodium bulb. I know damn well you are making bucks off your grow, you have bragged about it several times here on Your kingdom. I'm saying good pot will come down to around 100.00 an Oz., still plenty of room for profit, maybe not enough for you and the rest of the greedy growers, but still, 60-80 bucks profit an OZ, that's pretty good bucks for something that grows wild, just grow more OZs.
BTW, if I called you an ass, would that be enough to get me banned? It seems that you can call me stupid and face no repercussions.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Wait, Fdd2 grows for profit? Well hell, that makes his arguments against 19 even sillier. He suggests that those that want to grow just go get a medical card as all qualify....
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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Serapis said:
Wait, Fdd2 grows for profit? Well hell, that makes his arguments against 19 even sillier. He suggests that those that want to grow just go get a medical card as all qualify....
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right, all these hustlers arguing over 19. no one wants to admit this is their life and sole source of income.

NO ON 19 SO I CAN GET PAID SON!
 
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fdd2blk

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medicineman said:
Did I mention free, no! I said it was not noticeable, maybe 10.00 a month. We have 200-300 monthly electric bills here in Vegas, Since I quit growing, I have not noticed any appreciable difference. I'm sure it was not free. but still, the cost of an OZ would still have been less than 20 bucks an oz even with a substantial electric cost. I only used a 200 watt sodium bulb. I know damn well you are making bucks off your grow, you have bragged about it several times here on Your kingdom. I'm saying good pot will come down to around 100.00 an Oz., still plenty of room for profit, maybe not enough for you and the rest of the greedy growers, but still, 60-80 bucks profit an OZ, that's pretty good bucks for something that grows wild, just grow more OZs.
BTW, if I called you an ass, would that be enough to get me banned? It seems that you can call me stupid and face no repercussions.
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18 ounces on a 200 watt every 100 days. gtfo

i NEVER brag money or my "kingdom" as you call it. i am happy and humble. i appreciate what i have and i don't gloat about it. i have worked hard to get here and do my best to be fair. you really have no idea what i do. you can go ahead and make some more derrogatory shit up and i'll ban you again if you'd like though. i have not attacked or insulted you in any way. you need to show the same respect. :)
 
beardo

beardo

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medicineman said:
my most expensive grow expense was the pure water, about 7.50 per week, times16 weeks=120.00, for an Lb. of bud. pretty cheap I'd say, then as for the electric, I really didn't notice any appreciable difference in the electric bill, maybe 10.00 a mo or so, so all in all, no more than 200.00 an Lb., In 8 sq ft area, I grew 16-18 ozs every 100 days or so, that's an Oz a week. Cheap weed, 12.50 an oz.
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I must really suck. I hear all these people talking about how easy it is to pull a pound out of a 5 by 5 but i know I could never do it-medicineman says he can do it in 8 square feet.- by your own inflation statistics wouldn't you be paying 250 for your 25$ Oz? In cali you can get some of the best in the world for 250$ and If you are a lousy grower it would be hard to produce it much cheaper than that.
 
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fdd2blk

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Matt Rize said:
right, all these hustlers arguing over 19. no one wants to admit this is their life and sole source of income.

NO ON 19 SO I CAN GET PAID SON!
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pot IS my life. it is NOT my soul source of income.

if you had 20 pounds you'd sell it as well. :)

my garden just kept getting bigger so i quit my job to take care of it. what kind of pot smoker hates on a person for that? you all should look in the mirror. ;)
 
Serapis

Serapis

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fdd2blk said:
pot IS my life. it is NOT my soul source of income.

if you had 20 pounds you'd sell it as well. :)

my garden just kept getting bigger so i quit my job to take care of it. what kind of pot smoker hates on a person for that? you all should look in the mirror. ;)
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Many of us would love to be able to do that. I'm truly glad that you were able to, that is awesome. But please consider the others that have no illness or ailments. Some of us would love to have a legal garden under 19. I'm perfectly satisfied with my 4 x 4 dark room. I'm sure that your income source will not go away if 19 is passed.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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fdd2blk said:
18 ounces on a 200 watt every 100 days. gtfo

i NEVER brag money or my "kingdom" as you call it. i am happy and humble. i appreciate what i have and i don't gloat about it. i have worked hard to get here and do my best to be fair. you really have no idea what i do. you can go ahead and make some more derrogatory shit up and i'll ban you again if you'd like though. i have not attacked or insulted you in any way. you need to show the same respect. :)
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Maybe it was a 400 watt, been a couple a years since I last grew, but the electrical usage was not that bad. My wife paid the electric bill and never once complained about my usage, and believe me, if it had been excessive she would have let me know in a hurry. I'm still saying, that using a bubbler, after the initial investment, you can grow for less than 25.00 an OZ., closer to 15.00. BTW, your personal life holds no interest for me at all.
 
beardo

beardo

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medicineman said:
Maybe it was a 400 watt, been a couple a years since I last grew, but the electrical usage was not that bad. My wife paid the electric bill and never once complained about my usage, and believe me, if it had been excessive she would have let me know in a hurry. I'm still saying, that using a bubbler, after the initial investment, you can grow for less than 25.00 an OZ., closer to 15.00. BTW, your personal life holds no interest for me at all.
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medicineman said:
Gas was 35 cents a gallon, 10 times inflation= 3.50 a gal, pot, 10.00 an Oz, ten times inflation= 100.00 an Oz. About the cost, after my initial expense of about 300.00 for the lights, pumps baskets, seeds, and all the little stuff, my most expensive grow expense was the pure water, about 7.50 per week, times16 weeks=120.00, for an Lb. of bud. pretty cheap I'd say, then as for the electric, I really didn't notice any appreciable difference in the electric bill, maybe 10.00 a mo or so, so all in all, no more than 200.00 an Lb., less than most drug ripoff dealers charge for an Oz. Bubbler systems are cheap and effective. In 8 sq ft area, I grew 16-18 ozs every 100 days or so, that's an Oz a week. Cheap weed, 12.50 an oz. The inflation is from the greedy growers and dealers, why? Well one reason for sure besides the greed is illegality. legalize, and free market will surely drive down the price.
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what are you talking about when you say bubbler?
beardo said:
I must really suck. I hear all these people talking about how easy it is to pull a pound out of a 5 by 5 but i know I could never do it-medicineman says he can do it in 8 square feet.- by your own inflation statistics wouldn't you be paying 250 for your 25$ Oz? In cali you can get some of the best in the world for 250$ and If you are a lousy grower it would be hard to produce it much cheaper than that.
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vertise

vertise

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Serapis said:
Many of us would love to be able to do that. I'm truly glad that you were able to, that is awesome. But please consider the others that have no illness or ailments. Some of us would love to have a legal garden under 19. I'm perfectly satisfied with my 4 x 4 dark room. I'm sure that your income source will not go away if 19 is passed.
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Exactly. Bigger picture. Meds will remain meds, recreational use will become possible for many. Its a win win.
 
beardo

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vertise said:
Exactly. Bigger picture. Meds will remain meds, recreational use will become possible for many. Its a win win.
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not true...think about it. how many medications are marketed for recreational use? how many people do you think find obtaining marijuana impossible? if it is impossible for you to obtain marijuana you probably should not use it especially recreationaly
 
medicineman

medicineman

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beardo said:
what are you talking about when you say bubbler?
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It's a form of hydroponics, Look it up in the grow section. Basically it is a 12"x20"x12" container (Size varies) with a cover with 6 round holes (I made my own), an air pump with bubbler attachments (Same as in a fish tank) that go in the tank. the above mentioned "tank" is the place where the 6 pots with the plants are set into so their roots will dangle in the water with liquid fertalizer added to the right porportion. A ph balanced water must be used for best results, as important, is the amount and type of liquid fertilizer used. All information can be found on the net. I made mine with a 7.00 container from walmart, the cups and medium, little clay balls, were purchased from Ebay, in fact the only expensive thing was the lamp, I believe I paid less than 150 bucks for that, and yes, I got over 16 OZs from my closet which was 2'x4'x6', so growing weed is cheap if one knows how, it is easy as pie, it is a weed after all. less than 300.00 for my first grow (Less electricity and that was nominal) after that, about 200.00 for 16+Ozs. It was done regardless of what these "super growers" tell you. Seeds, well the first time I had to purchase seeds, then I grew a male along with my females and fertalized one stalk of big mama, got about a thousand seeds, good combo, white widow and the midnight stranger, so seeds are not a problem. I could trade with my friends, but I don't smoke or go with the girls that do, so mine was just an experiment. All that smoked my plants raved about the potentcy and the high, so they must have been good. I still have a OZ+ in the safe, Don't know how long it will be good, but maybe in 10 years I'll try it again to see.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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fdd2blk said:
pot IS my life. it is NOT my soul source of income.

if you had 20 pounds you'd sell it as well. :)

my garden just kept getting bigger so i quit my job to take care of it. what kind of pot smoker hates on a person for that? you all should look in the mirror. ;)
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No hate, maybe a little jealous judging your greenhouse picts :) but also feeling not-so-bad because I know you are stuck with most of it.

BUT if you move 20 lbs a year (20,000 to 60,000 wholesale value) AND that is not your MAIN source of income... and you quit your job to grow more... then you sir are a hustler and a baller. Baller because you make 40gs a year plus WAY more doing something else. Hustler because you grind it out full-time. Welcome to the club :) Sorry for all the slang, I can translate if needed. NO SHAME, GOTTA MAKE ENDS MEET, LIFE OUR LIVES, LOVE LIFE.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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beardo said:
not true...think about it. how many medications are marketed for recreational use? how many people do you think find obtaining marijuana impossible? if it is impossible for you to obtain marijuana you probably should not use it especially recreationaly
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UH... there are thousands of "medications" that can be bought by children at any pharmacy. This is not recreation, but true legalization via tax/regulate model. Just an example. And Robo-tripping comes to mind, when it comes to recreation... like Robotussin Corp (or whatever) doesn't know kids get effed up on that shit. What about the Salvia 30x that I buy at the mall... that shit sends me straight to the fourth dimension for like three minutes, and they sell it at the mall... pretty effed up, but REALITY, and not even pretending it is medicine.

I personally know hundreds, maybe thousands, of adults who do not have access to Cannabis because of the distrust in the black-market, yet they should have access just the same as me, with good ol' 215 and the Kelly Decision keeping me safe here in CA.

Did you really tell this guy to not smoke pot recreationally? GTFO of here with that :)

Piss poor reasoning oh bearded one. if you can't find pot you shouldn't? come on now.
 
beardo

beardo

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beardo said:
not true...think about it. how many medications are marketed for recreational use? how many people do you think find obtaining marijuana impossible? if it is impossible for you to obtain marijuana you probably should not use it especially recreationaly
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Matt Rize said:
UH... there are thousands of "medications" that can be bought by children at any pharmacy. This is not recreation, but true legalization via tax/regulate model. Just an example. And Robo-tripping comes to mind, when it comes to recreation... like Robotussin Corp (or whatever) doesn't know kids get effed up on that shit. What about the Salvia 30x that I buy at the mall... that shit sends me straight to the fourth dimension for like three minutes, and they sell it at the mall... pretty effed up, but REALITY, and not even pretending it is medicine.

I personally know hundreds, maybe thousands, of adults who do not have access to Cannabis because of the distrust in the black-market, yet they should have access just the same as me, with good ol' 215 and the Kelly Decision keeping me safe here in CA.

Did you really tell this guy to not smoke pot recreationally? GTFO of here with that :)

Piss poor reasoning oh bearded one. if you can't find pot you shouldn't? come on now.
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Reread my point-when was the last time you saw a robitussin comercial that said drink 2 bottles youll get all banged up? or something to that effect? never. It says not to exceed dosage and I think kids might not even be allowed to buy it but im not sure. and when was the last time a doctor reccomended you try salvia? never. medication and recreational substances rarely cross paths in the realm of legality that I know of. If your a cali resident as you say then you understand what I mean when I say that if you are an adult who desires to use marijuana in CA you should not find yourself unable to obtain it as was implied in vertise's post.
 
beardo

beardo

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beardo said:
Reread my point-when was the last time you saw a robitussin comercial that said drink 2 bottles youll get all banged up? or something to that effect? never. It says not to exceed dosage and I think kids might not even be allowed to buy it but im not sure. and when was the last time a doctor reccomended you try salvia? never. medication and recreational substances rarely cross paths in the realm of legality that I know of. If your a cali resident as you say then you understand what I mean when I say that if you are an adult who desires to use marijuana in CA you should not find yourself unable to obtain it as was implied in vertise's post.
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I guess your not going to answer?
 
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