Vote yes prop 19
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Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
That is correct. There must be an assembly bill in order to impliment prop 19. Tom Ammiano wrote it, and this is what he came up with. It will pass. Ammiano is not a lightweight nor is he an amateur. The universal rule #1 of politics is you don't put up a bill that you want passed unless you already know you have the votes to pass it ahead of time. He wouldn't have released the bill on the senate website unless he thought he had the votes to pass it. To release a bill like this and have it not pass would hurt his reputation in congress. He wouldn't risk that. It'll become law.
This is better than even my most optimistic hopes for prop 19. It effectively ends prohibition in California immediately. It's a win for everyone. Casual smokers, medical smokers, legal growers, illegal growers, people wanting to open legal businesses, it's even a win for illegal dealers. Everyone wins. The best possible outcome looks like it will be a reality!
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
He wouldn't have released it like that unless he knew he had the votes. That's how the game is played. First you do a whip count, then you release.
Luger187
Well-Known Member
just read this whole thread. ive been a no on prop 19 person, but ive just heard of what Ammiano is doing. im reading what he wrote right now. heres a link
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/abx6_9_bill_20100921_introduced.html
edit: i really like this part:
"26020. (a) The department shall license commercial cultivators of
marijuana. The fee for the license shall be set at an amount that
will reasonably cover the costs of ensuring compliance with the
regulations to be issued, but may not exceed five thousand dollars
($5,000) for an initial application, or two thousand five hundred
dollars ($2,500) per year for each annual renewal."
the $5,000 limit is a good idea. i was concerned with prop 19 that they would send the permit prices sky high and then nobody could get permits except the people THEY want to have permits. just like Harry Anslinger did, except those permits were for pot possession
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/abx6_9_bill_20100921_introduced.html
edit: i really like this part:
"26020. (a) The department shall license commercial cultivators of
marijuana. The fee for the license shall be set at an amount that
will reasonably cover the costs of ensuring compliance with the
regulations to be issued, but may not exceed five thousand dollars
($5,000) for an initial application, or two thousand five hundred
dollars ($2,500) per year for each annual renewal."
the $5,000 limit is a good idea. i was concerned with prop 19 that they would send the permit prices sky high and then nobody could get permits except the people THEY want to have permits. just like Harry Anslinger did, except those permits were for pot possession
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
That effectively ends prohibition in Cali entirely. It actually puts the majority of the cannabis trade in the hands of outright illegal growers/dealers instead of corporations. lol. I'll take it. Levels the playing field for everyone.
Luger187
Well-Known Member
my bad i thought i was in another thread lol
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
What do yall think of the Obama administration's stance on 19? Is it going to make it through the courts? Will we have a year "to go commercial" before the whole thing is appealed?
"(10-15) 18:23 PDT WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration has denounced Proposition 19, which would legalize personal use of marijuana in California, and promises to "vigorously enforce" the federal ban on possessing, growing or selling the drug if voters approve the ballot measure Nov. 2.
The pledge came Thursday from Attorney General Eric Holder, who oversees the government's anti-narcotics operations. Prop. 19 would "greatly complicate federal drug enforcement efforts to the detriment of our nation," he said in a letter to former chiefs of the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Holder announced in February 2009 that the administration would not single out medical marijuana users and suppliers who complied with laws in states such as California, where voters legalized pot for therapeutic purposes in 1996.
The administrations of Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, by contrast, moved aggressively to shut down medical marijuana collectives and raid growers, and won two U.S. Supreme Court rulings upholding their authority.
But the Obama administration has been less receptive to the prospect of a state repealing all criminal penalties for marijuana use by adults."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/15/MNJS1FTFKC.DTL
IMO: this means the commercial folks (who many of us despise) will be effed, but WE THE PEOPLE can still grow for profit and hide under 215, as we have done with great success thus far.
vertise
Well-Known Member
Obama really has little to do with federal enforcement. However I was reading an article that said the Attorney General would protect federal law and enforce it. Fuck that. They simply dont have the man power. Even LA Police force said they would still help the DEA with federal enforcement. Means little if you think about the fact that the number of federal arrests will never ever meet state arrests for pot.
Luger187
Well-Known Member
couldnt obama just tell them to go after people? im pretty sure hes got the power. after all, he is the leader of the not-so-free world
thanks
milpitan
Member
couldnt have said it better myself. fyi to those dumb asses out there, arnold already signed the decrimenalization bill (not prop 19) to become in affect in january. as of january $100.00 fine to those cought without a prop 215 card. we still have our clubs, prop 215 cards are still as low as $60.00 without documentation AND big brother doesnt have complete controle. people if its not broke dont fix it. we need to save our local growers jobs and entire economy in some areas. big tobacco companys wont sell there cancer causing pesticide shit at wal-mart. if you have any respect for the culture and plant itself you would read through prop 19 before voting. NO ON PROP 19
Steadmanclan
Well-Known Member
im amazed with the stupidity and propaganda that suggest that "big companies" like monsanto and wal-mart and philip morris are going to take over the cannabis trade. None of those big companies would be able to touch cannabis unless it was legal in all 50 states. That is how national corporations work.. they abide by federal laws.. not state laws. whats wrong with a couple of big warehouses in oakland gowing a bunch of ganja? Im sure the herb will be better than schwag... which is the only market that commercial grade herb could ever get in on. I'm not going to sacrifice the quality of my meds... none of you will have to either. prop 19 will have no negative effect on prop 215 growers or patients.
stop listening to stoner propaganda.
stop listening to stoner propaganda.
