Want to transfer dirt clones to aeroponic system...please help

hairpulledout

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Hello, New to indoor growing. I have some nice healthy Pinny Paralyser clones raised in dirt I would like to transfer to a fresh built aeroponic system for veg cycle.
How easy is it to wash the roots? Can I keep them alive or am I taking a big risk? The clones were hard to get and pricey, so I want to be careful. Please reply with simple detailed instructions. I want real bad to become self sufficient. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much!
 
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hairpulledout said:
Hello, New to indoor growing. I have some nice healthy Pinny Paralyser clones raised in dirt I would like to transfer to a fresh built aeroponic system for veg cycle.
How easy is it to wash the roots? Can I keep them alive or am I taking a big risk? The clones were hard to get and pricey, so I want to be careful. Please reply with simple detailed instructions. I want real bad to become self sufficient. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much!
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its easy and if you are gentle can cause little stress to your plants...

first fill up a sink, bucket, or whatever with water... ideally around the 65 to 70 degree temp...

if you have any thrive alive or transplant shock inhibitor/root booster add some to the water just to help reduce the shock level to the plant..

gently remove the entire root mass from the pot... dirt and all... submerge in the water and very gently start removing the dirt from the root system... you can bob the roots up and down to help remove the dirt also.. the key here tho is to jostle the roots as little as possible, while removing as much of the dirt as possible...

after you have removed as much of the dirt as you can simply place in your aero system and grow as you would normally... they may be a little shocked.. but it shouldnt be too bad...

if you dont have any thrive alive or anything like that dont worry.. its fine... it helps but isnt needed...

and dont stress if you can remove all the dirt... the little pieces will be sprayed off over time.. you may have to clean your sprayers sometimes (if they get clogged by those little pieces), so just keep an eye out for that.. but you should have to many problems...
 
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personally, i wouldn't try to take the clone out of dirt. it would be 100% necessary to remove all the dirt from the roots, hard process, not to mention risky to the plant. instead, get some rooting hormone and rockwool starter plugs and cut yourself some clones. drop them into your aeroponic system and youre good to go. that stuff about cloning a clone being bad is garbage i do it all the time it works fine, just as potent as the original and all that. plus this way you can have twice as many plants lol. just my 2 cents. peace. :peace:bongsmilie
 
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Thank you very much as well! I hadn't thought about cloning my clones. Very good idea. I'll try both suggested methods, create a test group, and post my results scientifically, when I have something worthy of reporting. This site is so cool. I am so happy to have recieved well thought out replies so quickly.
 
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glad to have helped..

i had to move a few clones from dirt to hydro myself on my current grow... i use an ebb and flow setup.. and although it is different than aero obviously i am very confident in sayin that it will be fine...

as far as the dirt, like i said, it will be fine.. i had the same problem.. just make sure to change the res after a week to remove those pieces of dirt that fell off... do everything you can to remove them prior to adding to the system.. but there is nothing about the dirt that should or will affect your aero system.. except if the sprayers get clogged.. then you might have to clean...

ill be interested in seeing the difference... please keep us posted when you know..


good luck
sampson

if you have any other questions feel free to PM me or post in my journal.. links in my signature..
 
hairpulledout

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simpsonsampson420 said:
glad to have helped..

i had to move a few clones from dirt to hydro myself on my current grow... i use an ebb and flow setup.. and although it is different than aero obviously i am very confident in sayin that it will be fine...

as far as the dirt, like i said, it will be fine.. i had the same problem.. just make sure to change the res after a week to remove those pieces of dirt that fell off... do everything you can to remove them prior to adding to the system.. but there is nothing about the dirt that should or will affect your aero system.. except if the sprayers get clogged.. then you might have to clean...

ill be interested in seeing the difference... please keep us posted when you know..


good luck
sampson

if you have any other questions feel free to PM me or post in my journal.. links in my signature..
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Finally got up the nerve to try my hand at the actual deed of remving dirt from my 3 Paralyser clones. Truly a CHORE! I spent about 45 minutes per clone gently massaging the soil from the root system. I used some 'Thrive alive' to help protect the plants from shock. After each plant was uncovered, they were added to a 6 site, 37 gallon rubbermaid roughneck tote, I converted to a sweet aeroponics system, with 360' sprayers, and a 264 gph sub pump. I made sure the Ph was 6.5 before I started. I also added 30 ml of thrive alive to the 12 gallon reserve to help with the transplantation. I also added 10 ml of Flora Nova GROW 7-4-10 as suggested by a local hydro expert. My timer sprays 1 minute on 4 minutes off. I have the 3 ladies indirectly recieving 1000 HPS light(sharing space with my Paralyser mother). They are far enough away from the source that they haven't gotten too hot. Now I have to wait and see.

2 days later I've just completed my own home-made cloner, a 12 site, 17 gallon roughneck, with multiple 360' sprayers, and 264 gph sub pump. I have purchased everything I need to begin cloning my mother plant, Clonex, an exacto knife, and 12 2" baskets with neo sleeves. The Ph is 6.5 and the cloner is ready to roll. Hopefully I can end up with at least 8 healthy clones for vegging.
My brave 3 soil-to-hydro ladies have suffered a bit of shock, all of the big leaves have yellowed, but the roots seem to be doing very well, hanging from the baskets very nicely. I made the decision to trim off the yellowing 'sucker' leaves, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I did the right thing. My ph is 6.8 and that is pretty good considering little bits of soil were washing away from the roots.
1 week later, and I'm pretty impressed with the 3 soil-to-hydro ladies progress. They seemed to have really perked up since the big leaves were culled. They appear extremely healthy to me. but this is my first indoor grow and I;m still pretty green. My trim job wasn't a salon manicure, but the plants look ready to spurt.
I still haven't mustered up the courage to start cloning my Paralyser Mom, and it is a number 1 priority. I WILL clone very soon. I've posted some pics. ANy suggestions, and or positive constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. I can have up to 12 plants according to the MMMP, and I want real bad to become self sufficient, as well as have some cool buds to show for my hours of brain numbing, research and planning, not to mention all the harder than it looks green thumb regiment. Please let me know how I'm doing.
 

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Finally got up the nerve to try my hand at the actual deed of remving dirt from my 3 Paralyser clones. Truly a CHORE! I spent about 45 minutes per clone gently massaging the soil from the root system. I used some 'Thrive alive' to help protect the plants from shock. After each plant was uncovered, they were added to a 6 site, 37 gallon rubbermaid roughneck tote, I converted to a sweet aeroponics system, with 360' sprayers, and a 264 gph sub pump. I made sure the Ph was 6.5 before I started. I also added 30 ml of thrive alive to the 12 gallon reserve to help with the transplantation. I also added 10 ml of Flora Nova GROW 7-4-10 as suggested by a local hydro expert. My timer sprays 1 minute on 4 minutes off. I have the 3 ladies indirectly recieving 1000 HPS light(sharing space with my Paralyser mother). They are far enough away from the source that they haven't gotten too hot. Now I have to wait and see.

2 days later I've just completed my own home-made cloner, a 12 site, 17 gallon roughneck, with multiple 360' sprayers, and 264 gph sub pump. I have purchased everything I need to begin cloning my mother plant, Clonex, an exacto knife, and 12 2" baskets with neo sleeves. The Ph is 6.5 and the cloner is ready to roll. Hopefully I can end up with at least 8 healthy clones for vegging.
My brave 3 soil-to-hydro ladies have suffered a bit of shock, all of the big leaves have yellowed, but the roots seem to be doing very well, hanging from the baskets very nicely. I made the decision to trim off the yellowing 'sucker' leaves, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I did the right thing. My ph is 6.8 and that is pretty good considering little bits of soil were washing away from the roots.
1 week later, and I'm pretty impressed with the 3 soil-to-hydro ladies progress. They seemed to have really perked up since the big leaves were culled. They appear extremely healthy to me. but this is my first indoor grow and I;m still pretty green. My trim job wasn't a salon manicure, but the plants look ready to spurt.
I still haven't mustered up the courage to start cloning my Paralyser Mom, and it is a number 1 priority. I WILL clone very soon. I've posted some pics. ANy suggestions, and or positive constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. I can have up to 12 plants according to the MMMP, and I want real bad to become self sufficient, as well as have some cool buds to show for my hours of brain numbing, research and planning, not to mention all the harder than it looks green thumb regiment. Please let me know how I'm doing.
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:clap::clap::clap: congrats on the move and having things go well.. it is a pain staking process.. but well worth it...

your girls are looking very nice... they will fill back out... the shock, depending on how bad, can set them back a week or so.. and removing the fan leaves will slow things down a bit also... since the plant needs light to grow via photosynthesis, and absorbs that light through the fan leaves, the less they have the less light they absorb and the slower the growth.. but once they get some new leaves grown out things will speed back up..

taking clones is very simple.. and after you do it once you'll see... i think everything is a bit nerve racking the first time.. because you have no basis of comparison.. sometimes you just have to do it and see how easy it is to believe... when you take the cuttings and they root you'll step back and realize how easy it was... almost like transfering them over...

i only have a couple suggestions...

1) move the light closer if you can.. and more centralized over your girls... always keep your light as close as you can without it affecting the plant (ie burnt tips or light bleaching)

2) get some ph down and lower your ph... ideally you want your ph to range between 5.5 to 6.5 in hydro.. with 5.8 to 6.2 being ideal....

otherwise things look good.. keep it up bro and soon you will be self sufficient!
 
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simpsonsampson420 said:
:clap::clap::clap: congrats on the move and having things go well.. it is a pain staking process.. but well worth it...

your girls are looking very nice... they will fill back out... the shock, depending on how bad, can set them back a week or so.. and removing the fan leaves will slow things down a bit also... since the plant needs light to grow via photosynthesis, and absorbs that light through the fan leaves, the less they have the less light they absorb and the slower the growth.. but once they get some new leaves grown out things will speed back up..

taking clones is very simple.. and after you do it once you'll see... i think everything is a bit nerve racking the first time.. because you have no basis of comparison.. sometimes you just have to do it and see how easy it is to believe... when you take the cuttings and they root you'll step back and realize how easy it was... almost like transfering them over...

i only have a couple suggestions...

1) move the light closer if you can.. and more centralized over your girls... always keep your light as close as you can without it affecting the plant (ie burnt tips or light bleaching)

2) get some ph down and lower your ph... ideally you want your ph to range between 5.5 to 6.5 in hydro.. with 5.8 to 6.2 being ideal....

otherwise things look good.. keep it up bro and soon you will be self sufficient!
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Thanks again:lol:, for the quick reply and helpful comments. I will move the 1000 HPS light closer. I was worried about burning the ladies in their delicate transplant shock state. Also, I will lower the PH, as I do have some PH down.
1.So, did I do a good thing or a bad thing by removing the yellowing, burnt tip fan leaves? I need to know. I cut them off because I thought they would be a drain of new leaf production. Should I just leave them attached next time? I want to be helpful not harmful.;-)
2. I have another 1000 watt HPS/MH switchable, and a 430 HPS available. Should I be increasing my light, or would it be wiser to wait until I have my new clones ready?
3. I want to divide my grow lab (8'x10' with an 8' ceiling), to give me a flowering chamber where I can have timed lighting, instead of the 24 hour constant I have now for everything. I checked out your grow log:eyesmoke:, and see you were able to get your dividing wall built. I am wondering if I would benefit from a real wall or just using the poly-wall like you'd done previously. ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!
4. I promise to do my clones very soon, possibly even today.:roll:
5. Lastly an unrelated MJ question:?:, I inherited two red-cup clones that already are budding. They look like Charlie Brown X-mas trees. I don't know if I should just let them run their course, or if I can somehow increase their productivity, I've enclosed a few pics. I think I should at least transplant them to a bigger pot, but I do have 3 available spaces in my 6 site system. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks again for your help in advance.:lol: If it's easier for you to reply to me at my e-mail, [email protected], thats cool too. Anyhow, I really enjoyed reading your grow log, and look forward to being able to eventually post my own. RIU has been extremely helpful to me. Happy labor day!
 

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Thanks again:lol:, for the quick reply and helpful comments. I will move the 1000 HPS light closer. I was worried about burning the ladies in their delicate transplant shock state. Also, I will lower the PH, as I do have some PH down.
1.So, did I do a good thing or a bad thing by removing the yellowing, burnt tip fan leaves? I need to know. I cut them off because I thought they would be a drain of new leaf production. Should I just leave them attached next time? I want to be helpful not harmful.;-)
2. I have another 1000 watt HPS/MH switchable, and a 430 HPS available. Should I be increasing my light, or would it be wiser to wait until I have my new clones ready?
3. I want to divide my grow lab (8'x10' with an 8' ceiling), to give me a flowering chamber where I can have timed lighting, instead of the 24 hour constant I have now for everything. I checked out your grow log:eyesmoke:, and see you were able to get your dividing wall built. I am wondering if I would benefit from a real wall or just using the poly-wall like you'd done previously. ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!
4. I promise to do my clones very soon, possibly even today.:roll:
5. Lastly an unrelated MJ question:?:, I inherited two red-cup clones that already are budding. They look like Charlie Brown X-mas trees. I don't know if I should just let them run their course, or if I can somehow increase their productivity, I've enclosed a few pics. I think I should at least transplant them to a bigger pot, but I do have 3 available spaces in my 6 site system. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks again for your help in advance.:lol: If it's easier for you to reply to me at my e-mail, [email protected], thats cool too. Anyhow, I really enjoyed reading your grow log, and look forward to being able to eventually post my own. RIU has been extremely helpful to me. Happy labor day!
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1) unless the leaves are more than 50% damaged you shouldn't remove them... your girls will be fine doing it.. but even if the leaf isnt perfect it can still preform work and can usually repair itself...

2) you want about 75 lumens or more per square foot... a 100,000w lamp puts out 150,000 lumens... do the math and you'll know how much more light you should have going now.. i imagine you are more than fine tho...

3) what i found with a poly wall is it is almost impossible to seal it off completely.... but with mine i needed it sealed in a way i could move between the sides... so if you have a way to access both sides without going through the poly the poly would work fine.. i personally needed a soild wall in my setup due to how i had to move back and forth...

4) clone taking can be a chore at first.. but once you've done it a couple times it goes quickly...

5) if they are already flowering there is little you can do.. you can try to separate branches and tie them off to increase the light penetration.. but thats about it... if they are in red cups then they are probably 12/12 clones... so they might not even need it.. just a good light source..
 
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check out my grow from SOIL 2 HYDROPONIC!!!!!!!!!!!!notice how tehy are in hydroponic no shock just beautiful new FEMALES that THRIVE off H20
 
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h8red1 said:
check out my grow from SOIL 2 HYDROPONIC!!!!!!!!!!!!notice how tehy are in hydroponic no shock just beautiful new FEMALES that THRIVE off H20
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Hello, Looking good. I'm happy to see that I'm not alone in going from dirt-to-hydro. I'm hoping for a growth spurt, and just lowered my lights. My roots are really going strong. I plan to post my results.
 
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simpsonsampson420 said:
1) unless the leaves are more than 50% damaged you shouldn't remove them... your girls will be fine doing it.. but even if the leaf isnt perfect it can still preform work and can usually repair itself...

2) you want about 75 lumens or more per square foot... a 100,000w lamp puts out 150,000 lumens... do the math and you'll know how much more light you should have going now.. i imagine you are more than fine tho...

3) what i found with a poly wall is it is almost impossible to seal it off completely.... but with mine i needed it sealed in a way i could move between the sides... so if you have a way to access both sides without going through the poly the poly would work fine.. i personally needed a soild wall in my setup due to how i had to move back and forth...

4) clone taking can be a chore at first.. but once you've done it a couple times it goes quickly...

5) if they are already flowering there is little you can do.. you can try to separate branches and tie them off to increase the light penetration.. but thats about it... if they are in red cups then they are probably 12/12 clones... so they might not even need it.. just a good light source..
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I checked and was surprised to see that the 3 dirt-to-hydro ladies roots have grown down to the sprayer source/reserve. I can really notice a big difference in size in just like the last 36 hours. Too cool. I guess now is the time to add an air pump and stone to the res to help keep the mixture aerated? ANY SUGGESTIONS? I'll post a pic later.

Thanks for all of the info. I guess I need to start asking first. Glad I'm not a Dr.! I cut off a quite a few pretty big sucker leaves. I'll use more caution from here on out.
I'm leaning towards building a solid wall with a sliding 'pocket' door for my flowering chamber. The need to divide the room is soon becoming a reality. I'll try the 430HPS and a 4ft fluoro for the veg station/clone room. And I'll send the 1000 hps to the flowering chamber.
I'm still behind on taking my clones. I'm determined to finish the job soon.
I'm going to build the 2 Charlie Brown X-mas tree clones their own simple 3 space aero-bubbler and send them to the flowering chamber with my present Paralyser mother after cloning her. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens.:bigjoint:Thanks again!
 
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you should be fine running the 430 by itself for veg at that point the plants are not as big and dont require a whole lot of pentration. if you can see that the light is getting past and penetrating through the canopy you should be fine but the additional flouros wont hurt.
 
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polishfalcon420 said:
you should be fine running the 430 by itself for veg at that point the plants are not as big and dont require a whole lot of pentration. if you can see that the light is getting past and penetrating through the canopy you should be fine but the additional flouros wont hurt.
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Howdy PF, Thanks for the info! I'm glad to see you stopped by the thread. I've added an air pump/stone, and I've used some PH down. I'm beginning to see progress with the 3 dirt-to-hydro ladies stronger roots and new growth. Now I need to get further along with taking my new clones and divider wall. Tomorrow for sure. :bigjoint:Thanks again!
 
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the airstones a deffinate bonus, now you just got to get a ph meter and a ppm meter. them two things I consider very important you wont believe how much they help.
 
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polishfalcon420 said:
the airstones a deffinate bonus, now you just got to get a ph meter and a ppm meter. them two things I consider very important you wont believe how much they help.
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agreed... you definitely want a good ph meter... keeping ph in line is ultra important in a hydro environment...

a good ec/ppm meter is almost as important... knowing how strong your nute solution is a good thing.. but if you do err on the weaker side with the nutes you can worry a little less about this..

and yes, an air stone is a very good, fairly inexpensive piece of the puzzle... keeping a well oxygenated reservoir will help things out a lot... keep very solid growth occuring...
 
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simpsonsampson420 said:
agreed... you definitely want a good ph meter... keeping ph in line is ultra important in a hydro environment...

a good ec/ppm meter is almost as important... knowing how strong your nute solution is a good thing.. but if you do err on the weaker side with the nutes you can worry a little less about this..

and yes, an air stone is a very good, fairly inexpensive piece of the puzzle... keeping a well oxygenated reservoir will help things out a lot... keep very solid growth occuring...
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Thanks for the info. I have been checking my PH the old fashioned way, with the dropper, solution and little pill bottle, I need to upgrade to a real PH meter.
As for nutes I'm only using Flora Nova GROW right now, and have only used the low-end of their recommended levels. All of my research, has convinced me I need to be very careful with adding nutes. I plan on getting a Truncheon as soon as I can afford one, to give me accurate PPM readings.
Perhaps my outdoor ladies can help fund this needed purchase. I'm curious anyhow as to how they've developed, and I guess I need to put on the hiking boots, get out my pirate map, and go find them. Hopefully it'll be a pleasant surprise, but you never know, it is always a gamble whenever you grow outdoors. I'm hoping for feast not famine!:bigjoint:
 
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I finally gathered the courage needed to cut clones from my Paralyser mother plant. After much encouragement from others and a ton of research(Thank you RIU for the awesome aero-cloner post)
I took 12 cuttings, mostly large ones, using an exacto knife, and bowl of cool water, and a package of Clonex. I put them in my home-made aero-cloner, with 264gph pump,1 on 4 off, 360 sprayers, and air bubbler. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Alot of hard work, but very satisfied. My back is killing me though!:joint:
Also the root growth on my 3 soil-to-aero ladies is wild! I'm excited. The shock seems to be minimal, and I have positive leaf growth as well. Thanks to everyone who has helped, via encouragement, and good advice. I do appreciate the help. Please see my enclosed pics.:peace:
 

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looks good, but if I were you I would get those lights alot closer to those clones. if those are 42w flouros about 6in away from the tops would work.
 
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