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DIY-HP-LED

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Are Russian attitudes ever going to evolve,if you don't innovate you can still assimilate,they STILL have no regard for or show no inclination to adapt to the western doctrines of warfare. Bottom to top structure empowering jr. officers and nco's to alter plans when necessary, limiting casualties,aversion to collateral damage.On the civilian side,aren't the average Russian people in envy of western freedoms and living standards. It's kind of perplexing,if they want to stay in darkness fine though I'd be less concerned if they didn't possess the capability to incinerate the world. Seems like PRIDE is the Russian peoples biggest adversary.
The best way to change Russia is to defeat them in Ukraine and break their military power and economy. A liberated Ukraine and Belarus will do the job for us and is why Vlad needed to start the war to begin with, they could not tolerate a Russian speaking liberal democracy (s) on their doorstep. Make no mistake there is a Ukrainian language, closely related to Russian, but everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian and in Belarus they do it with an accent and more western influence.

Post war Ukraine will prosper and they will live like shit in Russia, many young talented Russians will end up in Ukraine, politics and attitude will determine things, not so much language or ethnicity. They will be broadcasting the good life into Russia as the older generation dies off. They share a Slavic culture and language and there will be many Russian broadcasters working out of Ukraine and perhaps Belarus.

How do you train a wild elephant? By tying it to a tame one. Ukraine will have the money and cultural freedom to lead the Slavic world and change Russia. In 5 years time they will have the military might to keep Russia in check on their own. Ukraine will become a magnet for any young Russian with brains, talent and the right attitude, that is where the money will be and where Russian is spoken, there will be no future in Russia for a long time.. Vlad can't put an iron curtain across the middle of the Slavic world, not in this day and age. Technology changes societies and it will help to do the same for Russia, but they might have trouble getting much of it or be able to afford it.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The best way to change Russia is to defeat them in Ukraine and break their military power and economy. A liberated Ukraine and Belarus will do the job for us and is why Vlad needed to start the war to begin with, they could not tolerate a Russian speaking liberal democracy (s) on their doorstep. Make no mistake there is a Ukrainian language, closely related to Russian, but everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian and in Belarus they do it with an accent and more western influence.

Post war Ukraine will prosper and they will live like shit in Russia, many young talented Russians will end up in Ukraine, politics and attitude will determine things, not so much language or ethnicity. They will be broadcasting the good life into Russia as the older generation dies off. They share a Slavic culture and language and there will be many Russian broadcasters working out of Ukraine and perhaps Belarus.

How do you train a wild elephant? By tying it to a tame one. Ukraine will have the money and cultural freedom to lead the Slavic world and change Russia. In 5 years time they will have the military might to keep Russia in check on their own. Ukraine will become a magnet for any young Russian with brains, talent and the right attitude, that is where the money will be and where Russian is spoken, there will be no future in Russia for a long time.. Vlad can't put an iron curtain across the middle of the Slavic world, not in this day and age. Technology changes societies and it will help to do the same for Russia, but they might have trouble getting much of it or be able to afford it.
You are more optimistic than i am...i see russia living in poverty for at least a decade, if not longer.
they will refuse to curtail some of the activities that are keeping them under sanctions, and they're actively poisoning business relationships with companies all over the world. Many will refuse to do business with them at all, and others will insist on an intermediary, to avoid soiling their hands...
for the russians, it's going to be a dark, depressing, hungry decade, if not longer.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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You are more optimistic than i am...i see russia living in poverty for at least a decade, if not longer.
they will refuse to curtail some of the activities that are keeping them under sanctions, and they're actively poisoning business relationships with companies all over the world. Many will refuse to do business with them at all, and others will insist on an intermediary, to avoid soiling their hands...
for the russians, it's going to be a dark, depressing, hungry decade, if not longer.
Yep, they will have a lost decade if the war ended tomorrow and they went liberal democratic overnight. In 5 years they will live like shit with the good life in Ukraine and probably Belarus pouring across the border on TV and radio along with liberal democratic attitudes. Ukraine will experience a post war Russian invasion, they will come looking for jobs and a better life. Ukraine will have seized Russian money and a lot of rebuilding to do, Europe will also need NG for another decade at least and Ukraine has it. All the petroleum producing countries will face a market crunch one day, first as gasoline demand diminishes over the next decade with the introduction of EVs. Gas prices have a big impact on politics in the west and will become much less of a factor as markets shrink.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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. Ukraine will experience a post war Russian invasion,
The Ukrainians should have the same reaction to that that they had to this invasion. Expel the fuckers, with as much force as necessary...That will not have been long enough for meaningful social reform, and would be setting the stage for more ridiculous annexation fuckery. Never trust someone who has tried to kill you...Ever.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Ukrainians should have the same reaction to that that they had to this invasion. Expel the fuckers, with as much force as necessary...That will not have been long enough for meaningful social reform, and would be setting the stage for more ridiculous annexation fuckery. Never trust someone who has tried to kill you...Ever.
Only Vlad's enemies would be let in and the idea is to infect them by example, that requires some contact, but also close monitoring. They will want to use Russians against Russians and that is how ya do it. Politics and attitudes determines these things, as in the aftermath of the American civil war, it is not an ethnic or even linguistic struggle, it is an internal cultural one in the Slavic world and Ukraine proves it can be done. Zelenskiy lived in Russia for years and was a celebrity there, he had to learn to speak Ukrainian when he moved back home and started over. Ukrainians will tell you that everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian, though they are trying to promote their own closely related language and cultural identity using it.
 

printer

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as for that comfortable majority of Russians, @printer has kept us up to date on their news, which makes Fox look honest. If that’s all you hear, your view will be shaped by it.

I found this news site sums up the daily news without being too sickening to read.


Fox: a group of congressmen demanded that Biden leave Ukraine
A group of congressmen from the US House of Representatives called on US President Joe Biden to end support for Ukraine by submitting a resolution. This is reported by the American television channel Fox News.

“Ukraine’s fatigue resolution is being introduced by [Rep. Matt] Gaetz and 10 co-sponsors and calls on the Biden administration to stop military and financial assistance to Ukraine,” the channel clarifies. The resolution also calls on the parties to the conflict to come to a peaceful solution.

Earlier, Biden said that the United States united NATO countries and created a coalition against Russia . Nevertheless, despite the fact of American support for Kiev, many representatives of the US Republican Party oppose the provision of assistance, The Washington Post reports. Also, a member of the US House of Representatives, Marjorie Taylor Green, earlier ironically called Ukraine the 51st state.

And for fun.

Prigozhin announced 10 million Americans wishing to join Wagner PMC
More than 10 million US citizens want to join the Wagner PMC. This was stated by the founder of a private military company Yevgeny Prigozhin.

“After the release of the PMC Wagner advertisement aimed at the American audience, we received more than 10 million applications from US citizens wishing to join the Wagner PMC in order to fight against NATO,” Yevgeny Prigozhin said, responding to a request from CNN. in which he is asked why the recruitment of prisoners into the ranks of PMCs has ended. His words are quoted by the press service in its telegram channel .
According to him, about a million US citizens are currently being considered for admission to the ranks of Wagner. “Therefore, we suspended the recruitment of volunteers from Russian prisons, however, if there is a corresponding request from the US State Department, we will recruit from American ones,” Prigozhin summed up.

Earlier, a commercial appeared on the Internet, which was allegedly intended to recruit American fighters into the ranks of PMCs. However, Prigozhin stated that the company had nothing to do with this video, calling it "folk art", reminiscent of " Tsargrad ". Later it became known that the recruitment of prisoners in the PMC "Wagner" was stopped , as reported by the press service of Prigozhin. According to the entrepreneur, to those who are in the ranks of PMCs, all obligations are fulfilled.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Prigozhin announced 10 million Americans wishing to join Wagner PMC
More than 10 million US citizens want to join the Wagner PMC. This was stated by the founder of a private military company Yevgeny Prigozhin.
They must be all magats, go for the benefits, stay for the grave. 74 million of them voted for Trump in 2020, so it makes sense that 10 million of them would be stupid enough for nearly anything! Propaganda, but unfortunately plausible! Maybe they should start recruiting online, or someone should do it for them to find all the morons in America! Advertise on right wing sites like Truth social or the parlor. Once recruited, they go on an old cruise ship that unfortunately sinks.
 

Fogdog

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I found this news site sums up the daily news without being too sickening to read.


Fox: a group of congressmen demanded that Biden leave Ukraine
A group of congressmen from the US House of Representatives called on US President Joe Biden to end support for Ukraine by submitting a resolution. This is reported by the American television channel Fox News.

“Ukraine’s fatigue resolution is being introduced by [Rep. Matt] Gaetz and 10 co-sponsors and calls on the Biden administration to stop military and financial assistance to Ukraine,” the channel clarifies. The resolution also calls on the parties to the conflict to come to a peaceful solution.

Earlier, Biden said that the United States united NATO countries and created a coalition against Russia . Nevertheless, despite the fact of American support for Kiev, many representatives of the US Republican Party oppose the provision of assistance, The Washington Post reports. Also, a member of the US House of Representatives, Marjorie Taylor Green, earlier ironically called Ukraine the 51st state.

And for fun.

Prigozhin announced 10 million Americans wishing to join Wagner PMC
More than 10 million US citizens want to join the Wagner PMC. This was stated by the founder of a private military company Yevgeny Prigozhin.

“After the release of the PMC Wagner advertisement aimed at the American audience, we received more than 10 million applications from US citizens wishing to join the Wagner PMC in order to fight against NATO,” Yevgeny Prigozhin said, responding to a request from CNN. in which he is asked why the recruitment of prisoners into the ranks of PMCs has ended. His words are quoted by the press service in its telegram channel .
According to him, about a million US citizens are currently being considered for admission to the ranks of Wagner. “Therefore, we suspended the recruitment of volunteers from Russian prisons, however, if there is a corresponding request from the US State Department, we will recruit from American ones,” Prigozhin summed up.

Earlier, a commercial appeared on the Internet, which was allegedly intended to recruit American fighters into the ranks of PMCs. However, Prigozhin stated that the company had nothing to do with this video, calling it "folk art", reminiscent of " Tsargrad ". Later it became known that the recruitment of prisoners in the PMC "Wagner" was stopped , as reported by the press service of Prigozhin. According to the entrepreneur, to those who are in the ranks of PMCs, all obligations are fulfilled.
Well, well. The US armed forces number 1.3 million and about 800,000 in the national guard/reserves, so, a little more than 2 million are currently serving in some capacity. Yet, 10 million Americans expressed a wish to join the Wagner group? Contrast that with the 20,000 people from the US who are currently fighting against Russia in Ukraine.

I think I'm beginning to understand the challenge Russia has had prosecuting their war. It's their use of alternative math. According to Pirgozhin:

1 + 1 = 10 million.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
They must be all magats, go for the benefits, stay for the grave. 74 million of them voted for Trump in 2020, so it makes sense that 10 million of them would be stupid enough for nearly anything! Propaganda, but unfortunately plausible! Maybe they should start recruiting online, or someone should do it for them to find all the morons in America! Advertise on right wing sites like Truth social or the parlor. Once recruited, they go on an old cruise ship that unfortunately sinks.
maybe 99% of them are lolbots sent by some bored hackers. That would be pleasingly symmetrical.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Well, well. The US armed forces number 1.3 million and about 800,000 in the national guard/reserves, so, a little more than 2 million are currently serving in some capacity. Yet, 10 million Americans expressed a wish to join the Wagner group? Contrast that with the 20,000 people from the US who are currently fighting against Russia in Ukraine.

I think I'm beginning to understand the challenge Russia has had prosecuting their war. It's their use of alternative math. According to Pirgozhin:

1 + 1 = 10 million.
They can't find 100,000 Russians FFS, a half million voted with their feet and left, if they could get out. BTW, bring your own body armor, uniform and weapon with ammo...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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They must be all magats, go for the benefits, stay for the grave. 74 million of them voted for Trump in 2020, so it makes sense that 10 million of them would be stupid enough for nearly anything! Propaganda, but unfortunately plausible! Maybe they should start recruiting online, or someone should do it for them to find all the morons in America! Advertise on right wing sites like Truth social or the parlor. Once recruited, they go on an old cruise ship that unfortunately sinks.
I'm all for it, let the Ukrainians take care of a problem for us with all the aid we've been sending them.
 
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