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BudmanTX
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and from the local troll farm....beware this is out now......Izium mass graves....
all of them at the same time....go figure.......
all of them at the same time....go figure.......
DIY-HP-LED
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"Russian Soldiers Don’t Want to Fight" - The War in Ukraine with General Ben Hodges - Episode 1
Hodges highlights four important strategic considerations Russia made in advance of their invasion that now appear to be miscalculations. As a result, he believes that by the end of 2022, Ukrainian forces will push the Russian military back to the 23 February line.
These miscalculations include, first, Russia’s overconfidence in their force advantage. Russia believed the difference between its military capability and Ukraine’s was large enough to enable a swift victory like similar military operations in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Second, Putin was confident that he could isolate Ukraine from the support of third parties like Europe and the US, a calculation which appears to have been misguided as more money, weapons, and supplies pour into Ukraine from its Western allies. Third, Russian experts believed that the territory gained in Ukraine would be worth the costs of war and the pain of economic sanctions. High casualties and a crippled economy tell a different story. Lastly, Russia thought that war would destroy Ukraine as a democracy and break apart NATO unity in the face of the Russian threat. In fact, it has strengthened Ukraine’s democratic national identity and encouraged international support for NATO.
Hodges believes that the future of Ukraine will not only be determined by a test of will within Ukraine and its people, but also by a test of will amongst Western democracies. Ukraine’s freedom will in large part depend on the democratic world’s continued support. The war in Ukraine will have far-reaching effects ranging from Taiwan to the rise of autocracy, meaning it is a frontline that democracies cannot afford to lose. As long as domestic disputes don’t distract us from Ukraine’s fight for democracy and self-determination, any chance of Russian victory will be eliminated.
DIY-HP-LED
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The Ukrainians could have fresh reserve forces we don't know about and might be resting their A team, while the B team carries on at a slower pace in the east and their massive reserve forces move in behind them along with their logistics. They know where all the Russian units are, and they don't have solid lines, disrupted logistics, C&C and vast areas in the east to their rear are unmanned. It would be best to fight on the black earth of the east before conditions get too wet and movements are restricted to the roads. Gruella warfare is also intense in the Russian rear now that the situation is more fluid, like D Day the resistance was ordered to come out in the enemy rear when the time was right in the south and in the east.
They are taking lysychansk
They are taking lysychansk
printer
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Russian missile strikes Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear power plant
Ukraine's Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant has been damaged by a Russian missile attack, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency has said.
Security camera video shared by Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky on Monday showed a large explosion close to the plant, which is the second largest in the country.
Energoatom said the blast shattered windows and damaged buildings at the facility in the southern Mykolaiv region.
The site’s three reactors were operating as normal after the missile impacted about 300 metres away, leaving a crater two metres deep, the agency said.
In a message posted on his Telegram channel, President Zelensky said: "Russia endangers the whole world. We have to stop it before it's too late".
www.telegraph.co.uk
Ukraine's Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant has been damaged by a Russian missile attack, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency has said.
Security camera video shared by Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky on Monday showed a large explosion close to the plant, which is the second largest in the country.
Energoatom said the blast shattered windows and damaged buildings at the facility in the southern Mykolaiv region.
The site’s three reactors were operating as normal after the missile impacted about 300 metres away, leaving a crater two metres deep, the agency said.
In a message posted on his Telegram channel, President Zelensky said: "Russia endangers the whole world. We have to stop it before it's too late".
Russian missile strikes Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear power plant
Ukraine's Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant has been damaged by a Russian missile attack, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency has said.
DIY-HP-LED
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They sound like Trumpers outside a rally, the same mixture of reality conflicting with their conditioning and information bubble, the same cognitive dissidence, the same desperate rationalizations.
Russians react to losing the war
Russians react to losing the war
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
A sort of marginal, plausibly deniable way to wage nuclear war.Russian missile strikes Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear power plant
Ukraine's Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant has been damaged by a Russian missile attack, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency has said.
Security camera video shared by Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky on Monday showed a large explosion close to the plant, which is the second largest in the country.
Energoatom said the blast shattered windows and damaged buildings at the facility in the southern Mykolaiv region.
The site’s three reactors were operating as normal after the missile impacted about 300 metres away, leaving a crater two metres deep, the agency said.
In a message posted on his Telegram channel, President Zelensky said: "Russia endangers the whole world. We have to stop it before it's too late".
Russian missile strikes Ukraine’s second-largest nuclear power plant
Ukraine's Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant has been damaged by a Russian missile attack, Ukraine’s nuclear energy agency has said.
DIY-HP-LED
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printer
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It is a way of telling the Ukrainians that Russia will leave a scorched earth if they lose.
Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive, Donbass demands an urgent referendum: the main thing about the SVO by September 19
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) are preparing for an attempt to attack in the Vuglodar direction. Donbass demands an urgent referendum. URA.RU brings the main news about the special operation in Ukraine by the evening of September 19th.
- According to the correspondent of URA.RU, who refers to the participant of the special operation, the mechanic of the armored car with the call sign "Bullet", the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive in the Uludar direction. Ukrainian troops have concentrated about 100 armored vehicles and 10,000 soldiers.
- The public chambers of the LPR and DPR demanded an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation. The inhabitants of Kherson also asked about this . Residents of the DPR want a border between them and Ukraine, Channel Five reports.
- The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) shelled Donetsk, killing 13 civilians, including two children . The head of the city Alexei Kulemzin urged residents to be careful and not leave their shelters.
- The United States admitted that they conducted experiments on military personnel, poor and mentally ill Ukrainians. The American delegation acknowledged such facts during the meeting of the countries of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological Weapons in Geneva.
- The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, called on the Russians to defend their homeland and homeland from Ukrainian troops. He explained that throughout history, the ancestors defended their country, protecting every meter of territory.
- The military personnel of Ukraine (AFU) suffer heavy losses and refuse to go to the front line because of this. Ukrainian soldiers are losing people in the Artemovsk area, said Oleg Rozhkovsky, senior lieutenant of the 58th separate Ukrainian motorized infantry brigade.
The State Duma announced the timing of the referendum in the LPR
A referendum on the accession of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) to Russia will be held in the fall. This was stated by State Duma deputy Viktor Vodolatsky.
“I think this [referendum] will be in the near future. People are tired of waiting. It must happen faster, it is the will of the people. <…> It will be autumn, but not late,” he said, TASS quoted. Vodolatsky also stressed that the electoral system of the LPR is fully prepared for the referendum.
Earlier, the head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, decided to team up with the head of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), Leonid Pasechnik, to hold a referendum. This happened after the Public Chambers of the republics demanded an urgent referendum.
Since February 24, Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine in order to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from the Kiev genocide. The territories liberated by Russian soldiers expressed a desire to become part of the Russian Federation.
Once the regions join Russia due to a sham election Russian nuclear rules say that the nukes can come into play.
Getting played up today.
Residents of the LPR, DPR and Kherson region called for an early referendum
The Public Chambers of the LPR and DPR appealed to the heads of the republics Leonid Pasechnik and Denis Pushilin with the initiative to immediately hold a referendum on joining Russia.
In turn, the deputy head of the administration of the Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, also spoke about similar requests from local residents. According to him, the referendum will not be the end point and the population wants to get guarantees for the region to become part of Russia.
According to the chairman of the Public Chamber of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Kofman, now is the time to "erase the non-existent border between our states." He also stressed the importance of having a Russian border between the DPR and Ukraine.
He clarified that the appeal would be immediately sent to both the head of the DPR and the People's Council.
The Public Chamber of the Lugansk People's Republic noted that joining Russia would not only be a triumph of historical justice, but also secure its territory. According to the head of the chamber Alexei Karyakin , the local population believes that stability will come after the plebiscite. At the same time, he stressed that the referendum is "not a matter of one day," so it is premature to talk about the date of its holding.
Later, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, discussed with his colleague from the LPR Leonid Pasechnik the appeals of the Public Chambers, suggesting that he join the efforts of administrations and parliamentary apparatuses to work out steps to start preparing for the referendum. They also discussed the joint study of security issues by law enforcement agencies. According to Pushilin, appeals about the referendums have become a reflection of people's opinion, which "has been in the air for a long time."
"I think that with such consideration, we, as in the past years, over these eight years, when the republics were born at one moment, when the republics held a referendum on the same day in the 14th year, we will do the same here, but our actions must be synchronous," the head of the DPR stressed.
In mid-February, the leaders of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics asked Russia to recognize their independence. On February 21, Vladimir Putin signed the relevant decrees. Both republics announced plans to become part of Russia. Later, a similar desire was announced in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions .
Andrey Turchak , Secretary of the General Council of United Russia , reported to RIA Novosti that the liberated territories of the LPR and DPR, as well as the Kherson region , will become part of Russia . The same applies to the Zaporizhzhia region , where a referendum should be held as soon as the situation allows.
Жители ЛНР, ДНР и Херсонской области призвали к скорейшему референдуму
Общественные палаты ЛНР и ДНР обратились к главам республик Леониду Пасечнику и Денису Пушилину с инициативой незамедлительно провести референдум о вхождении в... РИА Новости, 20.09.2022
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If the Russians take it to that level, it might be time to use a B-2 or two to drop leaflets on Moscow.It is a way of telling the Ukrainians that Russia will leave a scorched earth if they lose.
Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive, Donbass demands an urgent referendum: the main thing about the SVO by September 19
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) are preparing for an attempt to attack in the Vuglodar direction. Donbass demands an urgent referendum. URA.RU brings the main news about the special operation in Ukraine by the evening of September 19th.
Russia has been conducting a special operation on the territory of Ukraine since February 24 . According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, its main goal is to protect the civilian population of the LPR and DPR from the Kyiv regime and national battalions. At the moment, Donbass is demanding an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation.
- According to the correspondent of URA.RU, who refers to the participant of the special operation, the mechanic of the armored car with the call sign "Bullet", the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive in the Uludar direction. Ukrainian troops have concentrated about 100 armored vehicles and 10,000 soldiers.
- The public chambers of the LPR and DPR demanded an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation. The inhabitants of Kherson also asked about this . Residents of the DPR want a border between them and Ukraine, Channel Five reports.
- The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) shelled Donetsk, killing 13 civilians, including two children . The head of the city Alexei Kulemzin urged residents to be careful and not leave their shelters.
- The United States admitted that they conducted experiments on military personnel, poor and mentally ill Ukrainians. The American delegation acknowledged such facts during the meeting of the countries of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological Weapons in Geneva.
- The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, called on the Russians to defend their homeland and homeland from Ukrainian troops. He explained that throughout history, the ancestors defended their country, protecting every meter of territory.
- The military personnel of Ukraine (AFU) suffer heavy losses and refuse to go to the front line because of this. Ukrainian soldiers are losing people in the Artemovsk area, said Oleg Rozhkovsky, senior lieutenant of the 58th separate Ukrainian motorized infantry brigade.
The State Duma announced the timing of the referendum in the LPR
A referendum on the accession of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) to Russia will be held in the fall. This was stated by State Duma deputy Viktor Vodolatsky.
“I think this [referendum] will be in the near future. People are tired of waiting. It must happen faster, it is the will of the people. <…> It will be autumn, but not late,” he said, TASS quoted. Vodolatsky also stressed that the electoral system of the LPR is fully prepared for the referendum.
Earlier, the head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, decided to team up with the head of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), Leonid Pasechnik, to hold a referendum. This happened after the Public Chambers of the republics demanded an urgent referendum.
Since February 24, Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine in order to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from the Kiev genocide. The territories liberated by Russian soldiers expressed a desire to become part of the Russian Federation.
Once the regions join Russia due to a sham election Russian nuclear rules say that the nukes can come into play.
Getting played up today.
Residents of the LPR, DPR and Kherson region called for an early referendum
The Public Chambers of the LPR and DPR appealed to the heads of the republics Leonid Pasechnik and Denis Pushilin with the initiative to immediately hold a referendum on joining Russia.
In turn, the deputy head of the administration of the Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, also spoke about similar requests from local residents. According to him, the referendum will not be the end point and the population wants to get guarantees for the region to become part of Russia.
According to the chairman of the Public Chamber of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Kofman, now is the time to "erase the non-existent border between our states." He also stressed the importance of having a Russian border between the DPR and Ukraine.
He clarified that the appeal would be immediately sent to both the head of the DPR and the People's Council.
The Public Chamber of the Lugansk People's Republic noted that joining Russia would not only be a triumph of historical justice, but also secure its territory. According to the head of the chamber Alexei Karyakin , the local population believes that stability will come after the plebiscite. At the same time, he stressed that the referendum is "not a matter of one day," so it is premature to talk about the date of its holding.
Later, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, discussed with his colleague from the LPR Leonid Pasechnik the appeals of the Public Chambers, suggesting that he join the efforts of administrations and parliamentary apparatuses to work out steps to start preparing for the referendum. They also discussed the joint study of security issues by law enforcement agencies. According to Pushilin, appeals about the referendums have become a reflection of people's opinion, which "has been in the air for a long time."
"I think that with such consideration, we, as in the past years, over these eight years, when the republics were born at one moment, when the republics held a referendum on the same day in the 14th year, we will do the same here, but our actions must be synchronous," the head of the DPR stressed.
In mid-February, the leaders of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics asked Russia to recognize their independence. On February 21, Vladimir Putin signed the relevant decrees. Both republics announced plans to become part of Russia. Later, a similar desire was announced in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions .
Andrey Turchak , Secretary of the General Council of United Russia , reported to RIA Novosti that the liberated territories of the LPR and DPR, as well as the Kherson region , will become part of Russia . The same applies to the Zaporizhzhia region , where a referendum should be held as soon as the situation allows.
Жители ЛНР, ДНР и Херсонской области призвали к скорейшему референдуму
Общественные палаты ЛНР и ДНР обратились к главам республик Леониду Пасечнику и Денису Пушилину с инициативой незамедлительно провести референдум о вхождении в... РИА Новости, 20.09.2022ria-ru.translate.goog
printer
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They will do a general mobilization and a change to a 'real war' first.
Roger A. Shrubber
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gonna be a lot of sad russians when they send all their friends, sons, husbands home in a zinc coffin, or in prisoners clothes. wonder how they'll explain it to themselves then?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
In that instance, I’m not sure what our best response would be, if any. (Maybe stage air superiority assets nearby.)
But if they up it to the actual use of a nuke, I imagine Nato will have an elegant way to put the hurt on Russia. What that might be, ~elaborate shrug~
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Roger A. Shrubber
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they've been indoctrinated in hating America their wholes lives...they keep asking them why they hate America, and most of them have no answer. the few that do don't make much sense...
Roger A. Shrubber
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referendum or no, they have to know the minutes they use a nuke will be the last minute russia exists as it does now...It is a way of telling the Ukrainians that Russia will leave a scorched earth if they lose.
Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive, Donbass demands an urgent referendum: the main thing about the SVO by September 19
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) are preparing for an attempt to attack in the Vuglodar direction. Donbass demands an urgent referendum. URA.RU brings the main news about the special operation in Ukraine by the evening of September 19th.
Russia has been conducting a special operation on the territory of Ukraine since February 24 . According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, its main goal is to protect the civilian population of the LPR and DPR from the Kyiv regime and national battalions. At the moment, Donbass is demanding an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation.
- According to the correspondent of URA.RU, who refers to the participant of the special operation, the mechanic of the armored car with the call sign "Bullet", the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a new offensive in the Uludar direction. Ukrainian troops have concentrated about 100 armored vehicles and 10,000 soldiers.
- The public chambers of the LPR and DPR demanded an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation. The inhabitants of Kherson also asked about this . Residents of the DPR want a border between them and Ukraine, Channel Five reports.
- The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) shelled Donetsk, killing 13 civilians, including two children . The head of the city Alexei Kulemzin urged residents to be careful and not leave their shelters.
- The United States admitted that they conducted experiments on military personnel, poor and mentally ill Ukrainians. The American delegation acknowledged such facts during the meeting of the countries of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological Weapons in Geneva.
- The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, called on the Russians to defend their homeland and homeland from Ukrainian troops. He explained that throughout history, the ancestors defended their country, protecting every meter of territory.
- The military personnel of Ukraine (AFU) suffer heavy losses and refuse to go to the front line because of this. Ukrainian soldiers are losing people in the Artemovsk area, said Oleg Rozhkovsky, senior lieutenant of the 58th separate Ukrainian motorized infantry brigade.
The State Duma announced the timing of the referendum in the LPR
A referendum on the accession of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) to Russia will be held in the fall. This was stated by State Duma deputy Viktor Vodolatsky.
“I think this [referendum] will be in the near future. People are tired of waiting. It must happen faster, it is the will of the people. <…> It will be autumn, but not late,” he said, TASS quoted. Vodolatsky also stressed that the electoral system of the LPR is fully prepared for the referendum.
Earlier, the head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, decided to team up with the head of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), Leonid Pasechnik, to hold a referendum. This happened after the Public Chambers of the republics demanded an urgent referendum.
Since February 24, Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine in order to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from the Kiev genocide. The territories liberated by Russian soldiers expressed a desire to become part of the Russian Federation.
Once the regions join Russia due to a sham election Russian nuclear rules say that the nukes can come into play.
Getting played up today.
Residents of the LPR, DPR and Kherson region called for an early referendum
The Public Chambers of the LPR and DPR appealed to the heads of the republics Leonid Pasechnik and Denis Pushilin with the initiative to immediately hold a referendum on joining Russia.
In turn, the deputy head of the administration of the Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, also spoke about similar requests from local residents. According to him, the referendum will not be the end point and the population wants to get guarantees for the region to become part of Russia.
According to the chairman of the Public Chamber of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Kofman, now is the time to "erase the non-existent border between our states." He also stressed the importance of having a Russian border between the DPR and Ukraine.
He clarified that the appeal would be immediately sent to both the head of the DPR and the People's Council.
The Public Chamber of the Lugansk People's Republic noted that joining Russia would not only be a triumph of historical justice, but also secure its territory. According to the head of the chamber Alexei Karyakin , the local population believes that stability will come after the plebiscite. At the same time, he stressed that the referendum is "not a matter of one day," so it is premature to talk about the date of its holding.
Later, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, discussed with his colleague from the LPR Leonid Pasechnik the appeals of the Public Chambers, suggesting that he join the efforts of administrations and parliamentary apparatuses to work out steps to start preparing for the referendum. They also discussed the joint study of security issues by law enforcement agencies. According to Pushilin, appeals about the referendums have become a reflection of people's opinion, which "has been in the air for a long time."
"I think that with such consideration, we, as in the past years, over these eight years, when the republics were born at one moment, when the republics held a referendum on the same day in the 14th year, we will do the same here, but our actions must be synchronous," the head of the DPR stressed.
In mid-February, the leaders of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics asked Russia to recognize their independence. On February 21, Vladimir Putin signed the relevant decrees. Both republics announced plans to become part of Russia. Later, a similar desire was announced in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions .
Andrey Turchak , Secretary of the General Council of United Russia , reported to RIA Novosti that the liberated territories of the LPR and DPR, as well as the Kherson region , will become part of Russia . The same applies to the Zaporizhzhia region , where a referendum should be held as soon as the situation allows.
Жители ЛНР, ДНР и Херсонской области призвали к скорейшему референдуму
Общественные палаты ЛНР и ДНР обратились к главам республик Леониду Пасечнику и Денису Пушилину с инициативой незамедлительно провести референдум о вхождении в... РИА Новости, 20.09.2022
i would expect carpet bombings of nuclear installations and ships at sea, and then a full scale invasion of russia, forever ending their threats and bullying of their neighbors. when troops finally withdraw, there should be NO nukes left, no weapons of any kind beyond those needed by civil authorities to prevent riots
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Invasions are expensive in both resources and personnel. We should be able to do the serious work using Nato air- and seapower.
printer
Well-Known Member
I do not think there is a high enough target to use a nuke on for the blow back they would feel. They would attack all the infrastructure that keeps Ukraine still running. That and a general mobilization could be justified in Russia if the areas decide to join Russia.
DIY-HP-LED
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The same way the Trumpers will if the red wave turns blue in November, those that fight it in the streets or by trying to cheat will end up fucking themselves. The DOJ will be busy during election day and in the aftermath busting those cheating and the FBI will be busy busting those who get stupid. Then when it settles down, they will bust Trump, win or lose and while the republicans might make noises, they want to be rid of the asshole too, but have to try and hang onto his base.