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DIY-HP-LED

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Spares close by? Spares of what? Where are they coming from? These things do not grow on trees.

Ukrainian energy systems on brink of collapse after weeks of Russian bombing
After just six weeks of intense bombing of energy infrastructure, Russia has battered Ukraine to the brink of a humanitarian disaster this winter as millions of people potentially face life-threatening conditions without electricity, heat or running water.

As the scope of damage to Ukraine’s energy systems has come into focus in recent days, Ukrainian and Western officials have begun sounding the alarm but are also realizing they have limited recourse. Ukraine’s Soviet-era power system cannot be fixed quickly or easily. In some of the worst-hit cities, there is little officials can do other than to urge residents to flee — raising the risk of economic collapse in Ukraine and a spillover refugee crisis in neighboring European countries.

During a briefing for reporters Tuesday, Volodymyr Kudrytskyi, the head of Ukrenergo, the state-run power grid operator, called the damage to the power system “colossal.”

Russians, he said, were mainly targeting substations, nodes on the electrical grid where the current is redirected from power stations. The main components of these substations are autotransformers — “high-tech and high-cost equipment” that is difficult to replace.
Kudrytskyi said that some parts of the grid have been hit five times. Repair crews “work 24/7 to restore the damage as quickly as possible,” he said, but then a Russian missile “flies into this equipment again,” leaving “a pile of charred scrap in the place where they installed a new transformer.”

As a result, Ukraine’s energy operators need vast quantities of almost all basic materials.
A list of “urgent needs” from DTEK, the country’s largest private energy company, circulating in Washington lists dozens of transformers along with circuit breakers, bushings and transformer oil.

But it is the autotransformers — the “heart” of the substations, in the words of Kudrytskyi — that are at the top of the Ukrainians’ list of needs and the key to keeping the country’s electrical grid functioning.

The Ukrainians have tried to buy up every autotransformer they can find, going as far as South Korea to purchase them, but they still need to place orders for more to be built.

While manufacturers are sympathetic to Ukraine’s problems, it can be difficult for them to set aside orders from other customers. The equipment also needs to be brought to Ukraine. Each autotransformer weighs more than 500 pounds, Kudrytskyi said, making it a large, easy target for bombing while in transit.

Transformer Shortages & Price Spikes
Electrical utilities across the country and globally are facing unprecedented multi-year supply chain issues for a wide variety of electric distribution equipment, and most significantly distribution transformers. Supply chain disruptions are tied to worldwide material demand and shortages caused by the pandemic, labor constraints, shipping issues, and even the war in Ukraine.

Transformers vary in size and are rated in kVAs (amps). The most common transformer used by the PUD is a 25kVA padmount (meaning the green cabinet kind that sit on the ground) transformer. It typically supplies power to around 4 homes. In normal years, the PUD tries to keep a stock of 60 25kVA units at all times, with a minimum on-hand quantity being 20 units. Current stock is well below that minimum.

Large orders for pad-mounted transformers, which typically took between 6–12 weeks to fulfill in 2020, now have lead times of 52–86 weeks. Transformer orders slated for arrival in mid-2021 have been postponed several times, with final arrival dates yet to be determined.

As the global supply of transformers has diminished, prices have risen accordingly. 25kVA pad-mounted transformer pricing rose nearly 400% from 2020 per-unit pricing, and 50kVa unit pricing jumped 900% since 2020. Pole-mounted transformers, which the PUD uses less of, have seen similar price increases, as well as extended lead times with no guarantees of meeting price quotes.

What does this mean for PUD customers? While the PUD has to date been able to supply transformers to customers seeking new service with minimal delays, supply chain issues could result in delays of connections in the months ahead.
They were shipping lot's of them to Ukraine, but the big ones are more of an issue. They don't usually have many spares, but the combined assistance of the EU can do it, not forever though. Prices will spike with demand as everybody orders replacements. I think they held off on restoring much of the grid until the Russians were done expending most of their missiles. In any case the thousands of generators of all sizes pouring into Ukraine are blunting the effect of blackouts where they occur. The Ukrainians will live through it with woodstoves and make do, while the Russians are destroyed and evicted. After that they might retaliate in kind and the Russians will be last in line for replacements. To shut the lights off in Russia while they have control of a nuclear power station in Ukraine would be to invite disaster.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Delivery times for bushings (MICAFIL, Switzerland)
Bushing SeriesApplication areas
(Type of Insulator)
TypeVoltage rangeCurrent rangeStandard listRepeat orderCustomized
AirRIPOil-Outdoor (with Silicone Insulator)RTKF24-550 kVup to 5000A12-14 Weeks16-19 Weeks19-22 Weeks
Oil-Outdoor (with Porcelain Insulator)RTKF24-550 kVup to 5000A14-16 Weeks16-19 Weeks27-30 Weeks
AirRIP FlexOil-Outdoor (with Silicone Helicall Insulator)AirRIP®flex245-550 kVup to 5000A14-16 Weeksn/an/a
Oil-Outdoor (with Silicone Straight and Porcelain Insulator)AirRIP®flex245-550 kVup to 5000A19-20 Weeksn/an/a
Seismic RIPOil-Outdoor (with Silicone Insulator)RTKF24-550 kVup to 5000An/a16-19 Weeks19-22 Weeks
Oil-Outdoor (with Porcelain Insulator)RTKF24-550 kVup to 5000An/a27-30 Weeks30-33 Weeks
RIS EasyDryOil-Outdoor (only Silicone Insulator)DMB-OA24-245 kVup to 2500A10-12 Weeks12-14 Weeks19-22 Weeks
HIRIP with Alu-ConductorOil-Outdoor (only Porcelain Insulator)RTXF36 kVup to 37'000A30-32 Weeks30-32 Weeks35-37 Weeks
High Current
with Cu & Alu-Conductor
Oil-Outdoor (only Porcelain Insulator)RTXF24-52 kVup to 32'000An/a19-22 Weeks19-22 Weeks
GIS (SF6-Air)SF6-Outdoor (Silicone and Porcelain insulator)RAKF245-550kVup to 4000An/a30-32 Weeks35-37 Weeks
Wall BushingsIndoor-Indoor / Outdoor-Indoor
Outdoor-Outdoor
RMI / RMF
RMFF
24-300kVup to 5000An/a16-19 Weeks19-22 Weeks
OilRIPOil-OilRTKK72.5-550 kVup to 4000A10-12 Weeks15-17 Weeks25-28 Weeks
GARIPOil-SF6RTKG36-550 kVup to 4000A10-12 Weeks15-17 Weeks25-28 Weeks
Railway BushingsRMF, RTAK15-36 kVup to 2000An/a16-19 Weeks19-22 Weeks
Subject to change.


Three months or more lead time.
Lead times for these things are long, there is not a great deal of demand, which is why a solar event that might fry them would be so disastrous. Here in NS and PEI we had our power grids wrecked from end to end, but it was mostly line damage and not transformers. The main weakness is with the big ones those were hit the hardest and are the rarest.
 

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They were shipping lot's of them to Ukraine, but the big ones are more of an issue. They don't usually have many spares, but the combined assistance of the EU can do it, not forever though. Prices will spike with demand as everybody orders replacements. I think they held off on restoring much of the grid until the Russians were done expending most of their missiles. In any case the thousands of generators of all sizes pouring into Ukraine are blunting the effect of blackouts where they occur. The Ukrainians will live through it with woodstoves and make do, while the Russians are destroyed and evicted. After that they might retaliate in kind and the Russians will be last in line for replacements. To shut the lights off in Russia while they have control of a nuclear power station in Ukraine would be to invite disaster.
How many houses, apartments have wood stoves? How about the water pipes in the walls? Probably lot of burst ones.

Lead times for these things are long, there is not a great deal of demand, which is why a solar event that might fry them would be so disastrous. Here in NS and PEI we had our power grids wrecked from end to end, but it was mostly line damage and not transformers. The main weakness is with the big ones those were hit the hardest and are the rarest.
And that is the problem, the transformers. And they are not a quick build.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How many houses, apartments have wood stoves? How about the water pipes in the walls? Probably lot of burst ones.



And that is the problem, the transformers. And they are not a quick build.
I didn't say there wouldn't be issues, but they are restoring much of the grid, most countries have spares for this kind of equipment in storage, the Latavian Redcross sent a warehouse full of transformers that I saw a picture of in a tweet. However, one rebuild maybe two and they have been using spares from the EU. Countries can't wait months and places like France, Germany, the UK and others stock spares. Whenever a coal fired power station goes off-line the main distribution transformers can be reused too. The rural, small town and suburban homes can use wood stoves and they are cleaning the retail ones out and building them from scrap and have been for a while. Large buildings can be served by palleted generators or even small ones can keep the heat on and power a shelter in one of the apartments. It's a shitty way to live but it can be done and will be. Increased demand will also lead to increased production as delivery bonuses are offered along with increased prices.

They will restore what they can for as long as they can and might be selective with large urban centers getting preference. The longer they wait the stronger the air defenses get and the fewer missiles the Russians have.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If the Russian's aren't gone by spring, there is always this and it looks like a pretty good idea for Uncle Sam too.

America and its allies need to think about weapons systems they can make specifically to give away to democratic allies and those democratic forces in civil conflicts with fascists, as well as those they use themselves. All authoritarians and despots are the enemies of liberal democracies, we can accommodate them when we must, but our position on their existence should be clear. Whenever we see an opportunity to topple them, we should take advantage of it and work clandestinely to support democratic forces and movements in their countries and outside with recognized governments in exile.

I think the world is moving in that direction or should, liberal democracies should not be on the back foot, but united in purpose, go tribal on them.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Who knows where this will lead and who saw it coming? Unlike Tiananmen Square, this is not a few students, but runs far wider and deeper. It depends on how the government responses it would be unwise to have a repeat of Tiananmen Square today, there are cellphones now and a far more connected society that is over running the great online firewall! Xi will lose so much face over this, win or lose, that he will need to wear a mask. Xi finding an open window would solve many problems very quickly! :lol:


‘Angriest’ protests in Chinese history spread across the country

“Demonstrations of this level of anger and visibility have simply not been seen anywhere in China. This is something new.” China has never had such angry or visible demonstrations before, Oxford University professor Rana Mitter tells #TimesRadio.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I have no doubt Joe talked to Xi about providing the latest western vaccines, we now have the productive capacity to cover the place and mitigate his personal fears at least. He is an old man with health issues and has a different attitude than most people, but he is also a despot with the absolute power of an emperor. He sought this and attained it, having broken their system of government's shared power, such that it was.


China Covid: Shocking protests are huge challenge for China's leaders
 

printer

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I didn't say there wouldn't be issues, but they are restoring much of the grid, most countries have spares for this kind of equipment in storage, the Latavian Redcross sent a warehouse full of transformers that I saw a picture of in a tweet. However, one rebuild maybe two and they have been using spares from the EU. Countries can't wait months and places like France, Germany, the UK and others stock spares. Whenever a coal fired power station goes off-line the main distribution transformers can be reused too. The rural, small town and suburban homes can use wood stoves and they are cleaning the retail ones out and building them from scrap and have been for a while. Large buildings can be served by palleted generators or even small ones can keep the heat on and power a shelter in one of the apartments. It's a shitty way to live but it can be done and will be. Increased demand will also lead to increased production as delivery bonuses are offered along with increased prices.

They will restore what they can for as long as they can and might be selective with large urban centers getting preference. The longer they wait the stronger the air defenses get and the fewer missiles the Russians have.
The Latvia transformers,



https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z4s9h4
The Russians are hitting the big ones, these are small change. Keep the heat on? Where is the source of heat coming from? Russia is also hitting the gas infrastructure. Valves are also on the short supply list. If the Russians can keep it up with producing their own Iranian drones or with their S-300's then the spare parts will dry up, everyone is scrambling at the moment.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Latvia transformers,



https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z4s9h4
The Russians are hitting the big ones, these are small change. Keep the heat on? Where is the source of heat coming from? Russia is also hitting the gas infrastructure. Valves are also on the short supply list. If the Russians can keep it up with producing their own Iranian drones or with their S-300's then the spare parts will dry up, everyone is scrambling at the moment.
I did say the big ones are an issue, it is going to be a fight and a messy one, but the Ukrainians will win in the end. Large transformers can be fortified too, and people can innovate. Valves can be robbed from disused Russian pipelines running through the country, they will make do as best they can with European help. Fewer missiles are getting through each week and if Vlad had an abundance, he wouldn't be taking nukes out and replacing them with ballast. The drones are even more effectively being dealt with than the missiles with gun point defenses around transformers and by other means.

Even if they black out most of the country for the winter, it will make no difference to the outcome, WW2 was far worse on infrastructure and populations, and we are at that level now in Ukraine. It is apparent by the deliveries of arms and support flowing into Ukraine that the intention is to finish off Russia as a military and economic power, even a regional one. The Russians will leave and once they leave the nuclear power plants, Ukraine might be more free to retaliate in kind, but I doubt they will because of legal considerations. In any case the Russians will end up paying for it, in Euros and dollars held abroad.
 

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printer

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Voenkor Tkach: Shelling of Ukrainian civilian facilities harms the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Shelling of enemy civilian infrastructure is a normal practice in any military operation. Strikes on the rear create difficulties for the enemy army, which can be seen now in the example of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Vasily Tkach, a war correspondent for Ukraina.Ru, shared this in an interview with URA.RU.

“The shelling of civilian objects creates difficulties for the Ukrainian army. From a military point of view, this creates problems in the rear. Any army is built not only on military equipment. In any army, the rear is extremely important, it is important to have a normal supply of the same food, clothing, oil products. Enterprises that repair equipment must work. Therefore, the creation of such problems, say, with electricity, causes serious damage to the organization of hostilities precisely on the front line, ”explained Vasily Tkach.

According to the military correspondent, the shelling of civilian targets is a normal practice of any military action. “If you remember, for example, the Second World War, then there it was a completely common practice and everything that could be destroyed was constantly destroyed. What is happening in Ukraine now is very targeted strikes. They do not, for example, pose a danger to nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants, which can cause a severe environmental catastrophe. That is, strikes are made on transformer substations, which burn very easily and can be destroyed quickly and cheaply. That is why it is being done,” he concluded.
 

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The Latvia transformers,



https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z4s9h4
The Russians are hitting the big ones, these are small change. Keep the heat on? Where is the source of heat coming from? Russia is also hitting the gas infrastructure. Valves are also on the short supply list. If the Russians can keep it up with producing their own Iranian drones or with their S-300's then the spare parts will dry up, everyone is scrambling at the moment.
What in this context is a heat gun?
 
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