cannabineer
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This sidesteps the imo more interesting part of my post.
Barring a MagicMandate,
how do we reverse the GOP’s headlong descent into sedition and fascism? How do we get them to disavow the liars among them?
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Barring a MagicMandate,
how do we reverse the GOP’s headlong descent into sedition and fascism? How do we get them to disavow the liars among them?
DIY-HP-LED
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You can't, you can only divide them to defeat them at the polls unless you have a very large majority that can overcome the GOP built in advantages. Maybe Trump can help with that he is good at causing division and failure and if follows him wherever he goes. Win enough and they can pass HR-1 on steroids and hold hearings on foxnews and media in general among other things. If you don't win all three, then you will have grid lock with a minority under the control of a smaller minority. Serious change in the US system is difficult even with a clear-cut majority and powerful mandate, but you can whittle down the unfair advantages that the republicans have including foxnews, that gives the GOP illegal levels of support under the guise of a news organization.
GenericEnigma
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Remove the incentive.
Citizens United, social media, The Media, the tax system - each has its own set of contributions to fascism in its own way. They are being bent to serve oligarchs, who need to be denied use of such tools.
Repeal Citizens United, increase educational resources, reinstate broadcasting regulations, and realign tax rates and loopholes toward progressive simplicity.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Repeal Citizens United is music to my ears, but how?
It has to get past Justices Crow and Leo.
GenericEnigma
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Repeal is the wrong word. Invalidate indirectly using campaign finance reform and enforcing regulations bolstered with real punishment. Defang using the tax code.
Then we'll have Congress vote themselves a pay reduction, right?
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine finds new way to target Russia with drones
Detonators were being used to explode drones long after after they landed, Russian news outlet Baza reported.
www.newsweek.com
cannabineer
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“at, on and fk the people”
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Russians Regret Recruiting Convicts Into Their Army - Soldier Complains About Them On The Phone
11,912 views Sep 20, 2023
It seems now Russia is making everything to keep soldiers recruited from prison in Ukraine to postpone the inevitable increase in crime in Russia. That’s also one of the reasons why Wagner was so inconvenient for Russia.. Prigozhin kept his word and released many ex-convicts on the loose after they finished serving 6 months and now, bored and unappreciated, they do what they used to do and what’s forbidden by the law.
DIY-HP-LED
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One can see how useful drones are for clearing those sparsely manned Russian positions and why the Ukrainians are training so many of their soldiers to be drone pilots. They are attached to the unit assigned to take a position in the best way they can figure out and it is obvious that these things are the most effective weapons for cleaning out Russian trenches before sending in troops to capture the positions. They can also provide the commander with a God's eye view so he can advise advancing ground units of dangers ahead in the trench network. These guys in the Russian positions would be too busy trying to stay alive to harass the guys clearing the mines in front of their positions.
Normally the attacking force takes a lot more casualties than the defenders, but with drones and the Russians constantly either attacking or counter attacking, they have been burning through a lot of troops. It seems when the Ukrainians capture their positions, they send wave after wave of troops trying to get it back and most are destroyed by artillery and drones trying. Every time Russian artillery tries to fire in the area of the breakthrough, they are destroyed by counter battery radars and drones directing highly accurate long range mobile 155mm Ukrainian artillery. The Russians have lost a horrific number of guns, troops and vehicles since the Ukrainian offensive began. I also don't think we will see the usual ratio of casualties because of incompetent leadership on the Russian side and their poor treatment of wounded. Ukrainian soldiers are in hospitals as far afield as America and Canada and are much better taken care of in the field. The Russians are often left to die when they are hit and medical help behind the lines is poor, and those veterans maimed by war are tossed on the street with little or no support.
Ukraine drones drop bombs on Russian soldiers and clear enemy trenches near Robotyne
Normally the attacking force takes a lot more casualties than the defenders, but with drones and the Russians constantly either attacking or counter attacking, they have been burning through a lot of troops. It seems when the Ukrainians capture their positions, they send wave after wave of troops trying to get it back and most are destroyed by artillery and drones trying. Every time Russian artillery tries to fire in the area of the breakthrough, they are destroyed by counter battery radars and drones directing highly accurate long range mobile 155mm Ukrainian artillery. The Russians have lost a horrific number of guns, troops and vehicles since the Ukrainian offensive began. I also don't think we will see the usual ratio of casualties because of incompetent leadership on the Russian side and their poor treatment of wounded. Ukrainian soldiers are in hospitals as far afield as America and Canada and are much better taken care of in the field. The Russians are often left to die when they are hit and medical help behind the lines is poor, and those veterans maimed by war are tossed on the street with little or no support.
Ukraine drones drop bombs on Russian soldiers and clear enemy trenches near Robotyne
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Russia Admits: Ukrainian Artillery is Superior! 20 Sep 23 Daily Update
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The Memo: Zelensky faces tough task in Washington as GOP skepticism grows
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will travel to Washington on Thursday at a moment when continued support from his most important ally looks imperiled.
The Capitol Hill battle over whether, and how, to avoid a government shutdown has put a spotlight on the increasing reluctance, at least among some Republicans, to maintain American backing for Ukraine at its current pace. Some express a desire for greater scrutiny of the money being dispatched to the Eastern European nation.
“Tell us what you’re doing with the money, and let’s have a debate on the floor about this funding and not ramming it down our throats,” Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Calif.) told CBS News.
Others have issued starker warnings and offered thinly veiled criticism of Zelensky himself.
“There’s no money in the House right now for Ukraine,” Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) told reporters Tuesday. “It’s not a good time for him to be here, quite frankly.”
There are clear signs of an erosion of public support, too. A CNN/SSRS poll last month found a majority of Americans opposed to Congress authorizing further support to Ukraine, 55 percent to 45 percent. The share of Americans who said that the U.S. should “do more” to help Ukraine fell to 48 percent in that poll, outpaced by the 51 percent who said it had already “done enough.”
As CNN’s report noted, a comparable poll soon after Russia’s February 2022 invasion found 62 percent of Americans saying their nation should “do more.”
As for Zelensky, his image has increasingly fallen victim to the polarization that is rife in American politics.
An Economist/YouGov national poll conducted at the end of last month found that Republicans were approximately evenly split on whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of Ukraine’s leader. Thirty-seven percent had a favorable opinion, but 35 percent viewed him unfavorably. By contrast, only 9 percent of Democrats had an unfavorable view of Zelensky, while 60 percent saw him in a favorable light.
Some Republican critics of the Ukrainian president have grabbed headlines with especially vivid attacks. Earlier this year, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) told the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) that Zelensky “wants our sons and daughters to go die in Ukraine.” Following Zelensky’s first appearance before Congress in late 2022, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) accused those who rapturously applauded of engaging in a “North Korea-style performance.” But even beyond fiery soundbites, some American voters are clearly balking at the sheer sums involved in supporting Ukraine.
President Biden is currently seeking congressional approval for another $24 billion, which would bring total U.S. aid to Ukraine to $135 billion. Meanwhile, a much-vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive has had modest results, and there is no obvious end to the war in sight.
The overall situation is sparking concern among those who back more U.S. support for Ukraine.
“I’m uneasy about it,” said Robert Wilkie, who served as the U.S. secretary of Veterans Affairs and under secretary of Defense during the Trump administration.
Wilkie contended that President Biden had not made the case sharply enough to an American audience about how vital it is to thwart Russian President Vladimir Putin’s expansionist ambitions. If Russia prevailed, he argued, it would be a massive victory not just for Putin but, indirectly, for China. Wilkie also contended that there was a problem with Republicans who back aid “feeling like they are standing on their own.”
Others argue that the debate over Ukraine has increasingly fallen victim to the dynamics of an intensifying 2024 presidential race. Joel Rubin, who served as a deputy assistant secretary of State during the Obama administration, contended that the “window” for further aid to Ukraine was just about open now — and closing fast.
“The reality is that the further we get into the presidential cycle, the harder it’s going to be, because Donald Trump is going to win this primary overwhelmingly and he is staking out a position that is hostile to Ukraine.”
Trump has promised, in vague terms, that he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours if he were reelected president. He has implied that Ukraine would have to give up some territory in such a settlement.
Rubin, who is also a candidate in the Democratic primary in Maryland’s 6th Congressional District, added that if Trump indeed becomes the nominee, “That is going to really hurt congressional Republicans, because the last thing they are going to want to do is look like they are supporting a policy that hurts their nominee. So they are going to be very, very nervous about supporting aid for Ukraine.”
Zelensky’s political skills have been underestimated in the past. But he faces a politically complicated conundrum as he arrives to make his case.
“As far as I can tell, enthusiasm — unfortunately — for American assistance to Ukraine has diminished and has become more partisan, like everything in American politics these days,” said Allan Lichtman, a professor of history at American University.
“It becomes partisan, of course, because it is so closely associated with President Biden,” Lichtman added. “Republicans, no matter what, are intent on opposing anything with President Biden’s name on it.”
thehill.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will travel to Washington on Thursday at a moment when continued support from his most important ally looks imperiled.
The Capitol Hill battle over whether, and how, to avoid a government shutdown has put a spotlight on the increasing reluctance, at least among some Republicans, to maintain American backing for Ukraine at its current pace. Some express a desire for greater scrutiny of the money being dispatched to the Eastern European nation.
“Tell us what you’re doing with the money, and let’s have a debate on the floor about this funding and not ramming it down our throats,” Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Calif.) told CBS News.
Others have issued starker warnings and offered thinly veiled criticism of Zelensky himself.
“There’s no money in the House right now for Ukraine,” Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) told reporters Tuesday. “It’s not a good time for him to be here, quite frankly.”
There are clear signs of an erosion of public support, too. A CNN/SSRS poll last month found a majority of Americans opposed to Congress authorizing further support to Ukraine, 55 percent to 45 percent. The share of Americans who said that the U.S. should “do more” to help Ukraine fell to 48 percent in that poll, outpaced by the 51 percent who said it had already “done enough.”
As CNN’s report noted, a comparable poll soon after Russia’s February 2022 invasion found 62 percent of Americans saying their nation should “do more.”
As for Zelensky, his image has increasingly fallen victim to the polarization that is rife in American politics.
An Economist/YouGov national poll conducted at the end of last month found that Republicans were approximately evenly split on whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of Ukraine’s leader. Thirty-seven percent had a favorable opinion, but 35 percent viewed him unfavorably. By contrast, only 9 percent of Democrats had an unfavorable view of Zelensky, while 60 percent saw him in a favorable light.
Some Republican critics of the Ukrainian president have grabbed headlines with especially vivid attacks. Earlier this year, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) told the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) that Zelensky “wants our sons and daughters to go die in Ukraine.” Following Zelensky’s first appearance before Congress in late 2022, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) accused those who rapturously applauded of engaging in a “North Korea-style performance.” But even beyond fiery soundbites, some American voters are clearly balking at the sheer sums involved in supporting Ukraine.
President Biden is currently seeking congressional approval for another $24 billion, which would bring total U.S. aid to Ukraine to $135 billion. Meanwhile, a much-vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive has had modest results, and there is no obvious end to the war in sight.
The overall situation is sparking concern among those who back more U.S. support for Ukraine.
“I’m uneasy about it,” said Robert Wilkie, who served as the U.S. secretary of Veterans Affairs and under secretary of Defense during the Trump administration.
Wilkie contended that President Biden had not made the case sharply enough to an American audience about how vital it is to thwart Russian President Vladimir Putin’s expansionist ambitions. If Russia prevailed, he argued, it would be a massive victory not just for Putin but, indirectly, for China. Wilkie also contended that there was a problem with Republicans who back aid “feeling like they are standing on their own.”
Others argue that the debate over Ukraine has increasingly fallen victim to the dynamics of an intensifying 2024 presidential race. Joel Rubin, who served as a deputy assistant secretary of State during the Obama administration, contended that the “window” for further aid to Ukraine was just about open now — and closing fast.
“The reality is that the further we get into the presidential cycle, the harder it’s going to be, because Donald Trump is going to win this primary overwhelmingly and he is staking out a position that is hostile to Ukraine.”
Trump has promised, in vague terms, that he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours if he were reelected president. He has implied that Ukraine would have to give up some territory in such a settlement.
Rubin, who is also a candidate in the Democratic primary in Maryland’s 6th Congressional District, added that if Trump indeed becomes the nominee, “That is going to really hurt congressional Republicans, because the last thing they are going to want to do is look like they are supporting a policy that hurts their nominee. So they are going to be very, very nervous about supporting aid for Ukraine.”
Zelensky’s political skills have been underestimated in the past. But he faces a politically complicated conundrum as he arrives to make his case.
“As far as I can tell, enthusiasm — unfortunately — for American assistance to Ukraine has diminished and has become more partisan, like everything in American politics these days,” said Allan Lichtman, a professor of history at American University.
“It becomes partisan, of course, because it is so closely associated with President Biden,” Lichtman added. “Republicans, no matter what, are intent on opposing anything with President Biden’s name on it.”
The Memo: Zelensky faces tough task in Washington as GOP skepticism grows
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will travel to Washington on Thursday at a moment when continued support from his most important ally looks imperiled. The Capitol Hill battle over whet…
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine still splits the GOP down the middle and divides it like no other issue, or so many chicken shits like Graham and Nicky Haley wouldn't oppose Trump on it. All opposition to Ukrainian aid centers on appeasing Trump, but the dumb idea is growing among the magats. Putin owns Trump and Trump owns the base, it's that simple, but Donald is pretty busy in court lately to speak much about it. When Trump is disqualified and imprisoned the pro Russia wing of the GOP will fade away, I figure. The republicans can't even get any more Russian money, except through dark money, but they do have foxnews and Elon in their corner.The Memo: Zelensky faces tough task in Washington as GOP skepticism grows
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will travel to Washington on Thursday at a moment when continued support from his most important ally looks imperiled.
The Capitol Hill battle over whether, and how, to avoid a government shutdown has put a spotlight on the increasing reluctance, at least among some Republicans, to maintain American backing for Ukraine at its current pace. Some express a desire for greater scrutiny of the money being dispatched to the Eastern European nation.
“Tell us what you’re doing with the money, and let’s have a debate on the floor about this funding and not ramming it down our throats,” Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Calif.) told CBS News.
Others have issued starker warnings and offered thinly veiled criticism of Zelensky himself.
“There’s no money in the House right now for Ukraine,” Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) told reporters Tuesday. “It’s not a good time for him to be here, quite frankly.”
There are clear signs of an erosion of public support, too. A CNN/SSRS poll last month found a majority of Americans opposed to Congress authorizing further support to Ukraine, 55 percent to 45 percent. The share of Americans who said that the U.S. should “do more” to help Ukraine fell to 48 percent in that poll, outpaced by the 51 percent who said it had already “done enough.”
As CNN’s report noted, a comparable poll soon after Russia’s February 2022 invasion found 62 percent of Americans saying their nation should “do more.”
As for Zelensky, his image has increasingly fallen victim to the polarization that is rife in American politics.
An Economist/YouGov national poll conducted at the end of last month found that Republicans were approximately evenly split on whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of Ukraine’s leader. Thirty-seven percent had a favorable opinion, but 35 percent viewed him unfavorably. By contrast, only 9 percent of Democrats had an unfavorable view of Zelensky, while 60 percent saw him in a favorable light.
Some Republican critics of the Ukrainian president have grabbed headlines with especially vivid attacks. Earlier this year, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) told the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) that Zelensky “wants our sons and daughters to go die in Ukraine.” Following Zelensky’s first appearance before Congress in late 2022, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) accused those who rapturously applauded of engaging in a “North Korea-style performance.” But even beyond fiery soundbites, some American voters are clearly balking at the sheer sums involved in supporting Ukraine.
President Biden is currently seeking congressional approval for another $24 billion, which would bring total U.S. aid to Ukraine to $135 billion. Meanwhile, a much-vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive has had modest results, and there is no obvious end to the war in sight.
The overall situation is sparking concern among those who back more U.S. support for Ukraine.
“I’m uneasy about it,” said Robert Wilkie, who served as the U.S. secretary of Veterans Affairs and under secretary of Defense during the Trump administration.
Wilkie contended that President Biden had not made the case sharply enough to an American audience about how vital it is to thwart Russian President Vladimir Putin’s expansionist ambitions. If Russia prevailed, he argued, it would be a massive victory not just for Putin but, indirectly, for China. Wilkie also contended that there was a problem with Republicans who back aid “feeling like they are standing on their own.”
Others argue that the debate over Ukraine has increasingly fallen victim to the dynamics of an intensifying 2024 presidential race. Joel Rubin, who served as a deputy assistant secretary of State during the Obama administration, contended that the “window” for further aid to Ukraine was just about open now — and closing fast.
“The reality is that the further we get into the presidential cycle, the harder it’s going to be, because Donald Trump is going to win this primary overwhelmingly and he is staking out a position that is hostile to Ukraine.”
Trump has promised, in vague terms, that he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours if he were reelected president. He has implied that Ukraine would have to give up some territory in such a settlement.
Rubin, who is also a candidate in the Democratic primary in Maryland’s 6th Congressional District, added that if Trump indeed becomes the nominee, “That is going to really hurt congressional Republicans, because the last thing they are going to want to do is look like they are supporting a policy that hurts their nominee. So they are going to be very, very nervous about supporting aid for Ukraine.”
Zelensky’s political skills have been underestimated in the past. But he faces a politically complicated conundrum as he arrives to make his case.
“As far as I can tell, enthusiasm — unfortunately — for American assistance to Ukraine has diminished and has become more partisan, like everything in American politics these days,” said Allan Lichtman, a professor of history at American University.
“It becomes partisan, of course, because it is so closely associated with President Biden,” Lichtman added. “Republicans, no matter what, are intent on opposing anything with President Biden’s name on it.”
The Memo: Zelensky faces tough task in Washington as GOP skepticism grows
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will travel to Washington on Thursday at a moment when continued support from his most important ally looks imperiled. The Capitol Hill battle over whet…
Trump is going down for espionage over the secret documents anyway and that alone should cage him for life. It could be that after Trump is disqualified and convicted that Vlad gives up hope and Russia leaves Ukraine. Trump gaining power again would be the only chance he had, and I doubt he can even hold out that long. Another 100 days at the current rate of destruction will finish the Russians and then there will be F-16s pounding the shit out of them after that. America has a huge supply of very accurate glide bomb kits and the bombs to put them on, they are using them on cheap rockets now, but on planes toss bombing they can go much further.
DIY-HP-LED
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If the Ukrainians take out the AA radars around a target and spoof the rest with decoy drones and EW, then a pair of F16 intruders carrying a half dozen glide bombs each could penetrate the Russian lines at low level during the night, go deep into their turf and zoom up to launch highly accurate GPS guided glide bombs on targets far to the Russian rear. An F16 flying at tree top level could zoom to 30,000 ft in less than a minute, then release their weapons before diving back down for cover pumping out chaff and flares. When the F16s show up with glide bombs and cruise missiles the Russians will feel the pain and a lot more of their AA defense should be gone by then too. I figure Crimea will get the treatment when they get rolling with the western jets, as will any rail bridges behind the Russian lines that are in range.
First though, they must attrit the Russian AA defenses in Ukraine and spread them thin by having to defend targets in Russia too. They should gain more of an AA advantage with drones and missiles before bringing in their new airforce and hammering the Russians with a new weapon system when they are already on the edge of collapse. All of Crimea should be in bombing range, if enough Russian AA defenses are taken down there and it will be a long difficult winter for the Russians, if the Ukrainians cut the south and Kerch bridge routes. They will be cut off and bombed with cheap, plentiful glide bombs when the F16s arrive to soften them up for next summer.
50,000 feet per minute
An F-16 fighter aircraft, for example, according to the Lockheed Martin Corporation, climbs at 50,000 feet per minute at sea level.
CFI Insights - The Climb - Principal Air
https://www.principalair.ca/article-the_climb.htm#:~:text=An F-16 fighter aircraft,per minute at sea level.
First though, they must attrit the Russian AA defenses in Ukraine and spread them thin by having to defend targets in Russia too. They should gain more of an AA advantage with drones and missiles before bringing in their new airforce and hammering the Russians with a new weapon system when they are already on the edge of collapse. All of Crimea should be in bombing range, if enough Russian AA defenses are taken down there and it will be a long difficult winter for the Russians, if the Ukrainians cut the south and Kerch bridge routes. They will be cut off and bombed with cheap, plentiful glide bombs when the F16s arrive to soften them up for next summer.
50,000 feet per minute
An F-16 fighter aircraft, for example, according to the Lockheed Martin Corporation, climbs at 50,000 feet per minute at sea level.
CFI Insights - The Climb - Principal Air
https://www.principalair.ca/article-the_climb.htm#:~:text=An F-16 fighter aircraft,per minute at sea level.
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DIY-HP-LED
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FPV Drone Causes Artillery Ammunition To Explode (Massive Explosion)
DIY-HP-LED
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Joe has other options for funding Ukraine in the face of Trump treason and Kevin's dysfunctional house and there is much more Russian money that can be taken too.
Laurence Tribe: Biden should transfer frozen Russian bank assets to Ukraine
29,066 views Sep 21, 2023 #msnbc #biden #ukraine
Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe joins MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss why President Biden has the authority to transfer roughly $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets to Ukraine towards rebuilding the war-torn country.
Laurence Tribe: Biden should transfer frozen Russian bank assets to Ukraine
29,066 views Sep 21, 2023 #msnbc #biden #ukraine
Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe joins MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss why President Biden has the authority to transfer roughly $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets to Ukraine towards rebuilding the war-torn country.
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Ukraine 'degrades' Putin's forces despite arms deal suspension | George Barros
7,997 views Sep 21, 2023 Frontline | The War in Ukraine and Global Security
"Ukrainians have been able to take heavy mechanised infantry fighting equipment beyond the first two major Russian defensive field fortification layers."
Poland's weapons suspension might have come too late to halt Ukrainian advances through Russia's southern defensive lines says George Barros from @UnderstandingWarOrg
DIY-HP-LED
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All republican opposition for aid to Ukraine centers around Trump, his magats and those who try to appease him. Once Trump and many of his minions are gone and in prison, opposition to supporting Ukraine and the allies will fade. Sucking Putin's ass can't be going over well with many of their older voters and veterans. With Trump and that faction of the party in court and soon in prison, I expect other forces to assert themselves. The base of the party is poisoned though and anybody with common sense is long gone, except the grifters who see a chance for money and power by playing to fools and acting like a clown. It only works in some rural places though and not very well in cities or with educated people or those with brains in general.
Donald might not go down for being Vlad's agent, but he will be imprisoned under the espionage act, among other crimes. Also it looks like he and Vlad might go down around the same time, Vlad out a window and Donald to prison and Hell for him. He might even have to appear on TV in that orange jumpsuit for his TV trial in Georgia, if Jack convicts him in DC before it starts. He might be the only defendant among them all in court dressed in orange with wall-to-wall national TV coverage. From the Whitehouse to the big house, America's biggest loser, live on TV!
Laugh, because it is not just possible, but probable...
If you compare the money spent on Ukraine with that spent on Afghanistan (Pakistan too) and Dubya's second gulf war and the results, it's kind of apparent that this is a fucking bargain orders of magnitude better! That's not even counting that no American lives are being lost to defeat a decades old geopolitical and military threat that America has spent multiple trillions to defend against. To probably permanently remove a threat to Europe and allies that billions are spent on every year through NATO to defend against. The amount of money in comparison to other things for the kind of results achieved is a pittance!
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers amid GOP pushback on military funding
5,092 views Sep 21, 2023 #Zelenskyy #GOP #Ukraine
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill in a direct plea for more aid, as some GOP members question the need for the funding. NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent Ali Vitali, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor join Ana to break down Zelenskyy’s trip to Washington.
Donald might not go down for being Vlad's agent, but he will be imprisoned under the espionage act, among other crimes. Also it looks like he and Vlad might go down around the same time, Vlad out a window and Donald to prison and Hell for him. He might even have to appear on TV in that orange jumpsuit for his TV trial in Georgia, if Jack convicts him in DC before it starts. He might be the only defendant among them all in court dressed in orange with wall-to-wall national TV coverage. From the Whitehouse to the big house, America's biggest loser, live on TV!
Laugh, because it is not just possible, but probable...
If you compare the money spent on Ukraine with that spent on Afghanistan (Pakistan too) and Dubya's second gulf war and the results, it's kind of apparent that this is a fucking bargain orders of magnitude better! That's not even counting that no American lives are being lost to defeat a decades old geopolitical and military threat that America has spent multiple trillions to defend against. To probably permanently remove a threat to Europe and allies that billions are spent on every year through NATO to defend against. The amount of money in comparison to other things for the kind of results achieved is a pittance!
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers amid GOP pushback on military funding
5,092 views Sep 21, 2023 #Zelenskyy #GOP #Ukraine
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill in a direct plea for more aid, as some GOP members question the need for the funding. NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent Ali Vitali, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor join Ana to break down Zelenskyy’s trip to Washington.
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it's more centered around Putin than that orange man...jsAll republican opposition for aid to Ukraine centers around Trump, his magats and those who try to appease him. Once Trump and many of his minions are gone and in prison, opposition to supporting Ukraine and the allies will fade. Sucking Putin's ass can't be going over well with many of their older voters and veterans. With Trump and that faction of the party in court and soon in prison, I expect other forces to assert themselves. The base of the party is poisoned though and anybody with common sense is long gone, except the grifters who see a chance for money and power by playing to fools and acting like a clown. It only works in some rural places though and not very well in cities or with educated people or those with brains in general.
Donald might not go down for being Vlad's agent, but he will be imprisoned under the espionage act, among other crimes. Also it looks like he and Vlad might go down around the same time, Vlad out a window and Donald to prison and Hell for him. He might even have to appear on TV in that orange jumpsuit for his TV trial in Georgia, if Jack convicts him in DC before it starts. He might be the only defendant among them all in court dressed in orange with wall-to-wall national TV coverage. From the Whitehouse to the big house, America's biggest loser, live on TV!
Laugh, because it is not just possible, but probable...
If you compare the money spent on Ukraine with that spent on Afghanistan (Pakistan too) and Dubya's second gulf war and the results, it's kind of apparent that this is a fucking bargain orders of magnitude better! That's not even counting that no American lives are being lost to defeat a decades old geopolitical and military threat that America has spent multiple trillions to defend against. To probably permanently remove a threat to Europe and allies that billions are spent on every year through NATO to defend against. The amount of money in comparison to other things for the kind of results achieved is a pittance!
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers amid GOP pushback on military funding
5,092 views Sep 21, 2023 #Zelenskyy #GOP #Ukraine
President Zelenskyy meets with U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill in a direct plea for more aid, as some GOP members question the need for the funding. NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent Ali Vitali, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor join Ana to break down Zelenskyy’s trip to Washington.