We need to stand up and fight

pm me for the addy to send those money orders to!!

it will be a suspicious PO box in the middle of nowhere but my corporate anti-prohibition courier swings by at regular intervals.

alot of ideas but what can we do?

7xstall said:

any other ideas on how to do it?

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Yes ... and we ARE doing it already in state by state with the medical marijuana movement. Slow but sure. I mean, who can stand up against a Granny in a wheel chair, or the young lady suffering with MS, or the AIDS patient who is wasting away from nausea? Only the federal government has the stupdity to do that ... and that's one great reason to cut back on the power we've handed to the feds.

Vi

That is what I have been saying. We have to stay focused just like Billy boy did in his campaign. ITS THE ECONOMY
And Vi has it right , we can't do it by trying to fight at the federal level. Every state is hurting for money. The money is being spent already by us potheads, just redirect it. We will grow it, distribute it to the liqour stores, give the state a cut, save the tokers money and save the state BILLIONS.
We don't have to fight to prove MJ is the # 1 money crop. As far as I know no one has accepted Jack Herrer's $ 100,000.00 challange and all they would have to do is prove there is a crop more beneficial the Hemp. So we shouldn't have to prove the Hemp could be the #2 money crop. The need for a change is established by the population of our prisons, more of our population than any other country. $23,000.00/ year per inmate. 734,000 drug arrest in the year 2000, 88% of those were charged with possesion of MJ only.
Yet all conversation stops when the opposition says ' it would send the wrong message to our kids'. BULLSHIT. what's the message. Oh by the way did anyone look at the United Nations report. Were did we fit in the world on MJ production. Whats the message it sends. Those folks in the 30's were wrong. Marijuana does not belong as a class one drug and the production of Hemp won't make it easier to hide a Marijuana crop, because it ruins the Marijuana.
Whats the message we are sending now? Its not only ok, you almost have to go to bars and get shit faced with an addictive drug that will rot your liver in order to be cool. Please drink responsible. Choose a designated Driver. Who pays for the designated driver commercials? I remember Labor Day. I mean they practically challenged the drivers to get drunk, saying if you drink you will be caught. over 1800 arrests for drunk driving and that is supposed to show how well its working. One would think Zero Arrests would be a success.

i know 80% of my school smokes and there is over 2500 people
thats a good small amount of sigs. and in my area there is prolly a couple more thousands
im on the verge of some good ideas and kinda sum stupid ones but ill post them when i got it all together

all good ideas... but without action ideas are useless... someone come up with a comprehensive plan and lets do it get it out there and lets see how much support we can come up with on this site alone and that would give us an idea of what we have to work with... put together an economic plan a medical plan and post them and then someone take those ideas copy and paste and get a petition started... it would need to go to either the state governments or the supreme court depending on which route you take... just as prohibiting alchohol was against CIVIL RIGHTS why isn't marijuana a much less harmful drug also legal??? these are all good questions and valid points... so lets take them and use them... What do you say guys and girls???

I'm against the government regulating and taxing mj. In a truely free society, it is none of the government's business what the citizens eat, snort, inject or smoke, providing the rights of another citizen aren't violated in the process. Handing over to the government the right to regulate and tax, is handing over to government our liberty. The government should just get out of the mj business period.

Vi

as much pain as it brings me to say this i will say it anyway. herb will never be legalized in the states, right now theyre workin towards decriminilization but that dosent mean jack shit in reality, the workin man will still have to pass marijauna drug screens to have a decent job, however it does mean u wont go to jail for possesion.

its My guess that the reason it wont ever legalized is because uncle sam already makes tons of money off marijuana (more than they would off weed tax laws). some where down the line all the weed that the gov. takes from us, they have peeps that sell it right back to us. and lets face it if weed is legalized its price would come way way down meaning decreased profits, now why would uncle sam not want to keep fattening his pockets?

I was just in the Bahamas were it is a pretty free market. The prices were just as high as they are here in my state. What did those of you that smoked in Amsterdam paying? I remember reading that in Canada, medical MJ was $7.00 per gram which is $196.00/z.
The Michigan referendum from 2006 didn't decriminalize it, it legalized it. Big difference. And in my opinion, which you are all probably getting tired of, that is what we need to do. You keep refering to the Federal Government. I keep saying that isn't the way, it has to be done at state level. It will only be legalized at the federal level when enough states have done it.
Then the polititicians, oh I'm sorry, I should have said public servants, will come out as our champions. They will have been pro MJ for years. Then they will get the federal government out of the prohibition process, and try to get them into the money receiving business.
The State Referendums have to state the tax maximum. That is the way to keep the Federal out of it.
So let me see if I have this right Vi you don't want it legalized because you don't want them on our backs. You must be growing in the front yard. I think the tooth fairy is knocking on your door. Did you see where New York is outlawing fatty food.
Remember when we didn't have lotteries or casinos. We have them now $688,000,000.00 for education in my state last year, and we have a $800,000,000.00 deficit for the next fiscal year( some say its over a BILLION).
Leaf the federal government is spending more money than the estimated street value of the MJ crop to fight the war on drugs and the states are spending that much and more. If 'Slick Willy' really felt our pain MJ legalization would have already been done.
But he did know how to run a campaign. ITS THE ECONOMY. His campaing staff used cell phones and faxes to get questions asked about his opponents stand on issues he felt like he could win and provided information to rebutt arguments. He looked us in the eye and said he never had sex with Monica. Junior high school girls are giving head because they don't want to be accused of having sex now. lol I suppose there are some that think thats a great idea.
We accept porn because its a BILLION DOLLAR industry and I suppose theyr'e are one or two of us that like it. Well MJ is A BILLION DOLLAR industry too.

i agree with Vi, if this is ever going to happen we have to keep the gvnmnt out of the process unless you have huge grow ops selling to large outlets, then some quality control is in order. but, i will never, ever, pay any gvnmnt anything for what i grow. i will also not register or in anyway report to them.

this plant does not need to be handled like it's a priviledge, it's a right just like growing tomatoes or corn and the notion of paying a tax or buying from the gvnmnt perpetuates their nonsense.

Instead of being on the defensive all the damn time we need to go on the offense. Sounds good but how do you do it?
You state the facts. You don't need opinions to state that MJ is the #1 money crop in the United States. You don't need opinion to quote the United Nations Study that shows North America as the #1 producer of Marijuana. If I remember it correctly, we are #1 in production, followed by Canada and Mexico. I must not remember it right. I thought Mexico was in Central America.
If all the arguments about pot were accurate you would see us sleeping in the streets. 90,000,000 have tried MJ in the US, thats almost 1/3 of the population and it still isn't legal? Well it is for 5 people that have a federal MJ license. One guy, sorry I'm not good with names either, testified in front of the Michigan Legislature. They ran tests on the federal MJ patients trying to prove the medical dangers. We didn't hear a whole lot about that. Guess why. The information is available to refute any argument against legalization.
So why hasn't it been done?

Do you buy lottery tickets, Cigarettes, liqour, own property, have a job? Did you notice that the Michigan referendum says you can grow and posses your own? You only pay to be a grower if you plan on growing enough to sell. And then you might need some oversite for Quality control. Your mind is like a parachute, if it doesn't open urfucked. But that doesn't mean I don't like you. I guess you won't be sending in any $100.00 bills to help with the campaign either. lol

sorry, i haven't read the entire MI ref yet. if it's like you say then right on!

i just like to keep trying to brainwash all the people who do want to be taxed or stamped or whatever.

yes, keep those donations coming!

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The last estimate I saw for Michigan's marijuana crop said we are growing about 60,000# of MJ. If you set the price @ $45.00 per oz and the tax @ $11.25 it would create a new legal industry with sales of $172,800,000. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. $43,200,000. in 'sintax' and another $10,368,000. @ 6% sales tax, and I'm not sure how you would figure out the tax on the additional $173MILLION DOLLARS IN 'new business'.
Then you start to realize that is not even the tip of the iceburg. The Mass. example that I posted earlier, with out the 'sintax' would save that state $120.6 MILLION DOLLARS. AND that is just the saving to the state. What about local governments.

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i think this was resonating in my mind as i wrote that.

in south carolina scientists were doing a study and they found that marijuana might very well reduce the risk of cancer... the last i heard they were pretty damn sure this was true... they are still doing other studies i wonder what else they will find??? And i also wonder if any of this will ever reciece national coverage??? i doubt it... I agree with we need to go on the offense... the facts are out there i have seen many in this thread... Now someone just needs to let the general population know... Instead all i see are commercials that perpetuate down right lies about marijuana commercials that are part of the war on drugs... Yet i rarely ever see anything debunking these myths or explaining what marijuana truly is and what it does... Before i ever started smoking in fact before i even thought about it I looked up the facts in an encyclopedia... This was 6 years ago and the facts were that they couldn't find anything bad about marijuana or very little anyway certainly much less then they find bad with alchohol... the facts are right there in our faces so what will we do with them???

I haven't read the new one yet either. I did have the 2006 referendum. I didn't agree with all of it but I would have voted for it. It set the tax rate at no more than 35% and I felt like that would drive up the price. Setting a tax rate by weight of around $11.25/ quarter oz. would allow better grades to be sold for more without raising the taxes other than the 6% sales tax. The non-potheads would not understand paying $300or more for an oz of a good quality smoke and setting the tax rate according to the quantity not the quality keeps the state out of the quality issue.
Please try to keep in mind the biggest benefit, under the current situation isn't the taxes on MJ sales it is the savings from stopping 'The War On Drugs'.
In the Mass. example they didn't propose a 'sintax'. The new income was from the sales tax @5% and the additional income tax @4.3% for a total of $16.9 MILLION DOLLARS. The biggest change was the $120.6 MILLION DOLLARS in saving for the State Police and the State Courts etc. They figured in a price reduction, because it would now be legal, to arrive at thier figures and based on thier % of total population they estimated $173.8 MILLION DOLLARS in sales.
You know its funny, I graduated high school in the 60's but I never smoked MJ until 1978. I was 27 at that time. I don't like alcohol, it just makes me sleepy or sick. I don't mind if others drink as long as they don't become 10 feet tall and bullet proof. But I remember that first high like it was yesterday. It seemed like it was taking forever to get to that stop sign that I knew was only a half a block away, and I laughed my ass off. Don't know how I got it back.lol And did you happen to notice that when you are high you don't want to fight with anybody. I have been tokin for almost thirty years. You can probably tell cause I'm so burnt out. You would think that in almost thrity years of tokin I would have been arrested at least once, if the prohibition are right about the dangers of MJ. I should have killed at least a Million people by now. Focus. Its the economy!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe itys just me, or has anyone else noticed I keep getting off the subject to answer objections from the folks that want it legalized. Divide and conqour

Ya I read an article some time ago in Readers Digest about that. It seems that smoking MJ increase the size of some of the blood vessels around the heart and may actually improve your health.

I don't think anytime sone it will b legal but as for decrimalize that can happen even at the fedral leavel this year