Wealth distribution in the US

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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fb360 said:
The problem ingrained in any idea of socialism is that the wealthy have enough money to make sure they aren't affected.

The real issue, even with the source you posted OP is that, that distribution is not a Guassian or "normal" distribution. Furthermore, it does not take into account the 20 or so outliers that each have a total wealth of 20b+, and together they have 600b+. Just the top 2, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, have a cumulative wealth of >120b... My first point being, if you were to remove those clear outliers from the sample population, the distribution looks much more equal; there is a drastic difference from the top 20 to the top 100. The 100th might be worth MAYBE 5-10% of #20. And it gets even worse as you continue down the list; so much so, that individuals make 250k a year, are classified with individuals making 200million+ a year.

Anyone who even has a basic understanding of statistics can comprehend that the distribution is very "untelling". It's like the example they use in textbooks where a Community college can claim their average "post salary" of their 10k students is 60k, instead of the actual 25k, because they had 1 individual who made the NBA and makes 10mill/year. Remove that 1 individual, and you get a sample that ACTUALLY represents the reality.

When any type of socialism is enacted in a corrupt society where the extremely wealthy control the power of govt and law making, the 250k gets screwed, and the 200+million guy gets a payday.

If you really want to level the playing field in terms of redistributing wealth, that 250k guy SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED. The more poor, the greater the relative % you should receive, and the top 100 or so would be the ONLY ones being taken from. The basic issue is that individuals, and their fortunes, are treated as a single unit, and not as an entity that can be broken up into many units. Furthermore, as is clear, it is inherent that socialism IS NOT FAIR. So what justifies taking from those top 100 or so, after they have already amassed their piles of wealth? If you really want to fix the problem, it should be done before, or while they are accumulating their profits. We normally do that in the form of taxes, however there are loopholes used by the extremely rich to bypass said taxes. In conclusion, if you want to redistribute wealth, you need to fix the tax evasion methods used by the extremely rich (top 20), with harsh penalties.

Socialism fails miserably as soon as you start taking from the 250k guy (making 1000x+ less than the top 20); classifying the 250k guy with the 20b guys is laughable.
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I'm not advocating socialism. I'm opposing crony capitalism.

Free market capitalism would work, but that isn't what we have.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
fb360 said:
The problem ingrained in any idea of socialism is that the wealthy have enough money to make sure they aren't affected.

The real issue, even with the source you posted OP is that, that distribution is not a Guassian or "normal" distribution. Furthermore, it does not take into account the 20 or so outliers that each have a total wealth of 20b+, and together they have 600b+. Just the top 2, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, have a cumulative wealth of >120b... My first point being, if you were to remove those clear outliers from the sample population, the distribution looks much more equal; there is a drastic difference from the top 20 to the top 100. The 100th might be worth MAYBE 5-10% of #20. And it gets even worse as you continue down the list; so much so, that individuals make 250k a year, are classified with individuals making 200million+ a year.

Anyone who even has a basic understanding of statistics can comprehend that the distribution is very "untelling". It's like the example they use in textbooks where a Community college can claim their average "post salary" of their 10k students is 60k, instead of the actual 25k, because they had 1 individual who made the NBA and makes 10mill/year. Remove that 1 individual, and you get a sample that ACTUALLY represents the reality.

When any type of socialism is enacted in a corrupt society where the extremely wealthy control the power of govt and law making, the 250k gets screwed, and the 200+million guy gets a payday.

If you really want to level the playing field in terms of redistributing wealth, that 250k guy SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED. The more poor, the greater the relative % you should receive, and the top 100 or so would be the ONLY ones being taken from. The basic issue is that individuals, and their fortunes, are treated as a single unit, and not as an entity that can be broken up into many units. Furthermore, as is clear, it is inherent that socialism IS NOT FAIR. So what justifies taking from those top 100 or so, after they have already amassed their piles of wealth? If you really want to fix the problem, it should be done before, or while they are accumulating their profits. We normally do that in the form of taxes, however there are loopholes used by the extremely rich to bypass said taxes. In conclusion, if you want to redistribute wealth, you need to fix the tax evasion methods used by the extremely rich (top 20), with harsh penalties.

Socialism fails miserably as soon as you start taking from the 250k guy (making 1000x+ less than the top 20); classifying the 250k guy with the 20b guys is laughable.
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I pick a nit, but in your college example the outlier would have to be making $350 million per annum. cn
 
fb360

fb360

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cannabineer said:
I pick a nit, but in your college example the outlier would have to be making $350 million per annum. cn
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Yeah, i didnt do any math to support those numbers, just picked them to make a point. I forget the actual classic example, but if my memory serves me correctly it is pretty close to mine with regards to the story
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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tomahawk2406 said:
gotta figure out how to use one before you bash it dork
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No thanks - I can bash it becasue it IS a POS... Glorified door stops...

No custom graphics, PCI lanes or Overclocking potential that's just a start... Shitty support, compatibility and cooling with 2nd rate software support.

No gaming or CAD compatibility but really great for hip douchebags...

so yeah not a Personal Computer but a fucking lemon, which should've been the companies food product of choice...

iphone_lemon.jpg
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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If you don't like it why not just not like it? If other people like it, what does it matter?

I'm not a big cowboy boot fan, but I'm pretty sure I've never posted my disdain for them online, just no point, other peoples approval of them makes no difference to me.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Padawanbater2 said:
If you don't like it why not just not like it? If other people like it, what does it matter?

I'm not a big cowboy boot fan, but I'm pretty sure I've never posted my disdain for them online, just no point, other peoples approval of them makes no difference to me.
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Yuh but those are stable systems (if you don't go nuts on the heel). I mean, how often do you need to reboot a cowboy? :mrgreen: cn
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Padawanbater2 said:
Lol, I don't not like them because of their stability, I just find them aesthetically ugly as fuck
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thyem boots are pointed so they go into a stirrup easier. your modern "cowboy boot" is really just a clownish exaggeration and an affectation.

i wear engineers boots usually, since i got wide feet (4E) and a high instep, but i used to have a sweet pair of custom cavalier's boots that i dearly miss.

pointy toes dont bother me if the fit is good, but most "cowboy boots" are made for poseurs and city nancies, so they run narrow as a motherfucker, just like nikes.

if your chosen boots or athletic shoes dont come in sizes and widths to accomodate real men, they arent really for athletics or for cowboys.
 
nontheist

nontheist

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hornedfrog2000 said:
stfu take it to fox news you stupid faggot. why do republicans even come on weed smoking/growing forums. YOU ARE THE ENEMY. repubes are why weed isnt legal. you suck ass.
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Hmm any evidence to back that up? I do remember seeing some polls showing that rubes or maybe it was conservatives are spit evenly on weed legalization. About the same as democrats. Also to date libertarians are the only ones supporting pure legalization.
 
tomahawk2406

tomahawk2406

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games are for kids
overclocking is possible......a stupid waste of time but possible.
support is everything but shitty, (just a common pc nerd statement)
and thunderbolt is 10 gbit/s
apple standard in the designing job field

stay fly with that 4ft tower and all those nifty neon flashing lights.
 
fb360

fb360

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tomahawk2406 said:
games are for kids
overclocking is possible......a stupid waste of time but possible.
support is everything but shitty, (just a common pc nerd statement)
and thunderbolt is 10 gbit/s
apple standard in the designing job field

stay fly with that 4ft tower and all those nifty neon flashing lights.
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My gen3 i7 on windows 8 will destroy your macbook pro plus extravaganza.

You obviously don't program either. If you did, you would hate Apply for the sole reason they FORCE developers to learn their language... Stupid as can be, and why actual computer enthusiasts laugh at macs. In the design field, which I'm part of, you are a queer, hipster fuck, if you honestly think your mac is anything more than a status symbol. Designers need graphic and computing power, and my overclocked 3.6ghz quad core gen 3 with 8 gb ram for 500$ cash will ass fuck any mac you can buy for 2k or less

And mine is as thin as your mac book pro
e; sexy ass lenovo case

Fun fact:
Do you know that there is not a php/jquery/js/html file uploader that will work on the iphone or ipad. My android works with every file uploader you can program.

And the status quo that macs cannot get viruses is fallacious and laughable. My gfs mac is fucked with worms and viruses because she doesn't know how to use the internet. My windows system has no virus protection, and stays clean for years. Even if I get bugged, I wipe to a image in 30 minutes and wah lah, brand fucking new.
 
Doer

Doer

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tomahawk2406 said:
gotta figure out how to use one before you bash it dork
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And anyone that can't figure out an Apple product without reading a single word of manual is truly unqualified to have one.

They are the least trouble of all. That's why they cost so much.
 
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