Well, if you believe in the 2nd Amendment, Obama has a surprise for you...

Doer

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imo, those opposing gun ristrictions often sound like little tyrants whom had once been given power through politcal means, and now do not want to give it up.

I sometimes wonder what goes through the minds of these people when they vacation in for example the netherlands.
Do they see us as helpless unarmed fools ?
I guess so, ... the opposite is very much true though, I see most of them as little tyrants.
So, we are sovereigns, each citizen. We didn't lose a right in the political process. We granted ourselves all rights and then made a govt with elected self rule. with some powers that are constantly reviewed.

And funny you mention the Orange and guns. I'll say Nazi and see if you somehow think it is similar to the USA. We saved their ass.

They exist becuase of our guns.
 

ricky1lung

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Im safe, I dont own a gun.
We dont have the gun culture here that
was afforded by the 2nd and that is why
I and many others are safe without owning a gun.

Guns don't necessarily keep you safe. In the event you
are faced with a gun fight it will even the playing field.

Gun culture is the issue that needs to be worked on. The glorification
of guns needs to end so more people will opt out of ownership. The culture
took a long time to solidify itself and will take even longer to change.
 

Doer

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You are safe because of our guns, and a very homogenous Identity. You have that undivided will since you are not an actor on the world stage. No one burns your Embassies, etc.

You are an ally. You are part of Commonweath.

We are shits and you are gold. We protect the gold.

We are a gun culture. We grant ourselves that in perpetuity and it works so far. The ones that make the problem are the ones that refuse to educate and want to deny the Right.
 

ricky1lung

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So, we are sovereigns, each citizen. We didn't lose a right in the political process. We granted ourselves all rights and then made a govt with elected self rule. with some powers that are constantly reviewed.

And funny you mention the Orange and guns. I'll say Nazi and see if you somehow think it is similar to the USA. We saved their ass.

They exist becuase of our guns.
The world fought the Germans.
It wasn't a militia of US citizens that banded together
with their personal arsenals that defeated the Nazi's.

Normal citizens do not need arsenals.
 

automated

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So, we are sovereigns, each citizen. We didn't lose a right in the political process. We granted ourselves all rights and then made a govt with elected self rule. with some powers that are constantly reviewed.

And funny you mention the Orange and guns. I'll say Nazi and see if you somehow think it is similar to the USA. We saved their ass.

They exist becuase of our guns.

Well, I'd say, ... apart from some wannabe teenagers with a selfesteem problem, and some grey folksconspiring in their basements, .. I do not see nazis on the street here, nor are they allowed to carry guns if they are. :)
 

ricky1lung

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You are safe because of our guns, and a very homogenous Identity. You have that undivided will since you are not an actor on the world stage. No one burns your Embassies, etc.

You are an ally. You are part of Commonweath.

We are shits and you are gold. We protect the gold.
No.
While we are an ally, we have a different culture.
We have whacko's here too Doer, but we do not have the gun violence.

It is all relative.

We have hunters, farmers and hobbyist's that hold guns dear to them, however
for the most part the mainstream population does not own guns. They don't care
to.

The more guns on the street allows the opportunity for more gun related crimes.

Burning embassies has nothing to do with gun culture or the 2nd.
Canada is not apart of the world stage?

[face palm]
 

Doer

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Well, I'd say, ... apart from some wannabe teenagers with a selfesteem problem, and some grey folksconspiring in their basements, .. I do not see nazis on the street here, nor are they allowed to carry guns if they are. :)
If you mean Canada it is thanks the USA only, we aren't speaking German. The Nazi now hides in Sharia. The Gestapo runs Egypt. It's not over.
 

automated

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If you mean Canada it is thanks the USA only, we aren't speaking German. The Nazi now hides in Sharia. The Gestapo runs Egypt. It's not over.
I did not mean canada. And it were the US soldiers, who are taught, trained and armed to fight wars and battles, not civilians whom arent mentally capable of handlling the draw back and schizofrenia from possessing such powerfull weapons.
 

ricky1lung

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If you mean Canada it is thanks the USA only, we aren't speaking German. The Nazi now hides in Sharia. The Gestapo runs Egypt. It's not over.
Doer...

Trying to get under my skin "fight boy"?

Good luck, you're just making yourself look bad....lmao
 

Doer

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No.
While we are an ally, we have a different culture.
We have whacko's here too Doer, but we do not have the gun violence.

It is all relative.

We have hunters, farmers and hobbyist's that hold guns dear to them, however
for the most part the mainstream population does not own guns. They don't care
to.

The more guns on the street allows the opportunity for more gun related crimes.
A homogenous culture under the Crown. Firsters or White. Never had slaves. You are not understanding American non-Parliamentary self sovereign govt.

You have no idea what the Rights mean to us.

And how did Canada get this way one might ask? You are Subjects. You did not rebel and take your rights and Canada is not stupid and stands with the USA.

BTW, guns on the street are from 1600 forward. We all live on streets and are allowed to bear arms.

Drug gangs are the problem you are talking about. Don't step in the TV bs. :) We don't have a gun problem here. That is all made up, to try to push us on the slip slope.

And no I'm not trying to annoy you or dis-respect Canada. In most ways it puts us to shame, I agree. But, Canada exists in the N. America sphere.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve, OK?
 

automated

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Yeah, sucks those drug gangs ... too bad they can buy all those weapons on the corner of nearly every street over there

And for your information, you might have noticed, the media gets rather aroused when someone or some gang kills off dosens of civilians.
 

timlang420

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The possibility that you could own a gun and be able to defend yourself is enough to stop a lot of violence. Tim is oblivious to this fact. He thinks he is safe because he doesn't have a gun.

In reality, he is only safe because of the 2nd amendment and because there probably isn't much violence near his home.

If you get rid of all guns it will make it easier for criminals to commit crimes.

There will always be a black market for guns so long as guns exist. Do you really believe USA has the resources to stop guns from getting into the USA if we can't even keep people out?
saying getting rid of guns will make it easier for criminals to commit crimes is, first off, an opinion. and my opinion says your opinion is wrong. like i said before there are many, many forms of non lethal self defense, that can be used a preventative measures against all crime, and they dont kill people intentionally or accidentally.

even though the act of defending yourself is justifiable, it is still an act of violence in itself, so thats saying 2 wrongs make a right. using non lethal forms of defense to protect yourself is still a violent act but the difference is nobody dies. violence is wrong but its a part of life, the key in my opinion is limiting it and its consequences.

also, you are true, i do live in a safe neighborhood, at least i think (lol). but when i was growing up i did not, i lived on 14th street and 7th ave, stuffed in the corner of the city, middle of the ghetto. so b.s., when we were young, my little brother was outside playing in our backyard and across the street a car drove through a grass field and shot at the house on the other side of the alley, while he was playing in our yard! i got a good job and was able to choose my house, neighborhood and car because i dont want my kid to grow up in that environment, saftey is the key. people in this neighborhood feel safe, therefore dont need a gun, where people living in the ghetto do not feel safe and feel the need for a gun. thats a big part of this too, the overall safety and well being of the citizens. and its fucked up its reached the point where we feel we need guns for protection.

your point about there being a black market for guns is very good, and true. but saying bad people will still be bad doesnt mean we shouldnt do what (imo) is in the best interest of the people. i do appreciate your comment tho.

Well I'm creepy, close your eyes.

That 1875 rules does not stand against Heller. And you need to read a heck of a lot more about that little phrase, the 9th Amendment. It is the basis of All Rights. It means that even the un-expressed or un-implied freedom to come are not excuded as Rights. It has a basis in the legal difintions in England. It was meant to make sure of individual sovereignty, actual, for all time.

New rights emerge and belong to WE the People. They are not to be defined and limited,by the elected govt, in advance or even too soon. But, these new definitions, such as gay rights, have to be given time and are state by state. So spake SCOTUS, recently.

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education is always the greatest tool any society has. in this case however i believe its more logical to get rid of guns or make them almost impossible to acquire, rather than take the chance that you child is hanging out with another child who is less educated

No, the 2nd. So, that is an un-consitutional failure of thought. Yu cannot get rid of guns and and you can't make them impossible to get. There are hundreds of millions of guns.

Kids that are not educated point guns at people. And we cannot protect them unless they know.

There is only one choice here.

it is an impossible dream to try to get rid of guns and we will shoot back, before that happens.


This country you live in and the one that does the heavy lifting to protect the Sea Lanes would not exist without guns. So think again and grow a spine. Guns protect us so you don't have to own one.
dude, dont even get me started on gay right. thats worse than the gun issue. gay people are still people and this reminds me an awful lot like the 3/5 of a person...like they dont deserve the same rights as us. wtf? i know theres a process but gay rights seems to me like its common sense.

the 1875 ruling says that congress wont infringe, the 9th amendment says that just because they named some rights doesnt mean those are they only rights you get or that your rights in the future can be with held (patriot act 2001.....) so they are similar. neither one addresses automatic weapons. because just like technology has advanced, so should the law we live advance with them. thats why i said the constitution in a living document and changes with the times. it needs to change now to make citizens safer.

also, educated kids are still kids. as a parent my job is to protect my son before he requires the protection, and to educate him before he requires the education.

i know its impossible to get rid of every gun. my opinion is that guns are medievil and we've evolved past the need for them, therefore they should not be. my common sense says its not gonna happen.

why do you keep saying weird stuff like "we will shoot back" and "pl
  • ease know we will go after this govt WE elected with sticks and stones if WE NEED TO. Human waves. WE will draw the worlds attention."​




 

ricky1lung

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A homogenous culture under the Crown. Firsters or White. Never had slaves. You are not understanding American non-Parliamentary self sovereign govt.

You have no idea what the Rights mean to us.

And how did Canada get this way one might ask? You are Subjects. You did not rebel and take your rights and Canada is not stupid and stands with the USA.

BTW, guns on the street are from 1600 forward. We all live on streets and are allowed to bear arms.

Drug gangs are the problem you are talking about. Don't step in the TV bs.
We don't have a gun problem here. That is all made up, to try to push us on the slip slope.

And no I'm not trying to annoy you or dis-respect Canada. In most ways it puts us to shame, I agree. But, Canada exists in the N. America sphere.

I'm sorry if I touched a nerve, OK?



Im not falling into TV bs.
I suppose you would relate the total gun deaths to population control?

Im not sure how your arguments are holding weight. Im not saying americans
have to give up their guns, Im suggesting a shift from the "gun good" mentallity
should change.

In your reference to drug gangs, I will offer another one.

Government and gangs "need" guns. Normal everyday civilians shouldn't
need them but they apparently do when everyone else has them.

See the point? Shift gears so people dont believe they need them and
over time they wont. It all has to start somewhere.

No you didn't touch a nerve, as nonchalant
as you may try.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I did not mean canada. And it were the US soldiers, who are taught, trained and armed to fight wars and battles, not civilians whom arent mentally capable of handlling the draw back and schizofrenia from possessing such powerfull weapons.

I see. Do you not understand the citizen solider "concept"?....I think...."duty", actually? We have the right, honor and can shoulder the duty to learn the gun; learn to shoot, learn to be safe minded, learn how to be ready.

So, it seems broad only because we have the luxury. A goofball Dr can fail to report the danger. A goofball mom can not supervise her kid. That's not the problem for those with the Right. We get battle weapons. DC vs Heller.

If we wanted only muskets and not the long range rifle bore, we would have said so in the Founding Docs.

I think people that don't understand their Rights hurt us all. They are prey to the TV bullshit.

And at a certain point it's all talk and emotion tampering as the Armed Demon, Senator Fienstein just found out. No votes for trying to tinker with the 2nd A at the Federal level.
 

automated

Active Member
Your reasoning leads me to believe north koreas daddys boy should also have his nukes ?, its his rights aye ? he got them and learned how to say fire to his tech team ?
All good ... no worries ...

I wonder if they would shoot at the netherlands ....
 

ricky1lung

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Your reasoning leads me to believe north koreas daddys boy should also have his nukes ?, its his rights aye ? he got them and learned how to say fire to his tech team ?
All good ... no worries ...

I wonder if they would shoot at the netherlands ....
A perfect point, lil kim makes the rules in his country.
+rep
 

Doer

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Lung, there are not that many gun deaths, seriously. The total is less than autos. And when you weed out lawful murder, and sucide and other fine uses. There is not much murder by gun, to think that dismantling a Right would solve anything.

You know the bad guys already have guns. So, what has happened actually, and it has be posted,l linked and referenced here before, the gun violence rate is way down.
 

ricky1lung

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Lung, there are not that many gun deaths, seriously. The total is less than autos. And when you weed out lawful murder, and sucide and other fine uses. There is not much murder by gun, to think that dismantling a Right would solve anything.

You know the bad guys already have guns. So, what has happened actually, and it has be posted,l linked and referenced here before, the gun violence rate is way down.
I did not suggest dismantling a right. I suggested a shift in mentality.
I agree, guns have a purpose, hunting for example.

But honestly does a normal civilian need an ak or other military grade
weapons?

No, they don't and they should not be permitted by law to own or posses them.
 
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