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Bob Smith

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Not necessary. Save your $130 per copy.



I can't see if these have both air intake and exhaust duct flanges- do they? As long as you can make a closed air circuit with them, drawing air into the fixture from outside the room airmass and dumping it there as well, they'll do fine.



Yep, 3 points: a) There's no need for the inserts. b) If roots escape the pots, they'll knit and make the plants necessarily stationary until harvest. It's good to be able to move plants around since they generally don't grow identically in height- nice to be able to move the shorter ones closer to the light. c) The inserts will create a moisture trap; water will condense on the underside of the insert- you're thus likely to see mould/mildew growth on them. The peroxide-treated nute soln won't come in regular contact with the underside of the inserts, all but guaranteeing you'll see mould/mildew on them.

Use pellets, completely clean all root matter from them, sterilise them and reuse them if you like, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that you get 100% sick of cleaning pellets by crop 3.

My only advice on cloning media is to avoid anything made of organic matter (coir, peat etc). It can be food for pathogens, mould, etc. and H2O2 will tend to make the stuff fragment. If you're using pellets, the bits can get loose, into the nute soln, possibly fouling pump impellers.

Rotsaruck. :)
Thank you sir :bigjoint:

Appreciate your input and think that you're correct about the mold - that being said, I think there's some advantages to the lids as well.

1) Less hydroton (then running 2 gallon pots) - the less I have to use/clean, the better
2) Large root masses then possible in similar-sized pots
3) The biggest for me, ease of rotation - instead of moving 24 plants individually, I can just rotate the tray 90 degrees every day - that's the biggest selling point to me right now.

And Al, for some reason I don't mind cleaning (a reasonable amount of) hydroton - soak it in a 1-9 parts bleach to water solution overnight, then pick out any dead leaves/roots for five or ten minutes the next morning.

Wash it off and I'm golden - takes about 20-30 minutes of work for more then a tray's worth of hydroton - I'd use rockwool, but 1) I have no good way of disposing of it, 2) I like to go to the hydro store as infrequently as possible, so the next time I go I'll buy two year's worth of nutes and that'll be that, and 3) I like being able to flood more often.

Long story short, methinks I'm gonna give the trays a try, but reserve the right to tell you that you were correct and I wasted $500 in a few months.

EDIT: Al, you ever used a mechanized trimming machine, or thought about getting one? If so, what were your thoughts? Planning on doing two tables every month instead of one table every two weeks (because it'd be more efficient to use a mechanized trimmer with a larger quantity of weed).
 

Bob Smith

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Al, really, really appreciate all you advise. I've made an "Fuct Bible" containing all of your posts that aren't you just repeating yourself for noobs. :)

I would like a quick post from you detailing your handling of your mums.

3X3 tray, 450 light in cooltube. What size pot and contents? Same Flock & rockwool in the bottom? Nute soln specs? Ebb & Flow? How often? I know you prune twice to get them ready, then take cutting for 4-6 times before you turn them to compost. Right?

Thanks again!
Hey Kitty, I know that I'd love if you posted said "Bible" - that'd really be some useful reading.
 

KittyCat

Member
Is this what you use? It says Canna AQUA Flores A (& Canna AQUA Flores B)? Just want to do it right.

Sorry for separate posts for the 2nd question. I know how you hate that. :)

Attn: Bob Smith - I plan on posting the Fuct Bible, but I want to clean it up some first. (BUT I do take after Mr. Fuct, ie. lazy stoner. lolololololol) Does anyone know how to post a large document? It'll be about 10 pages, or so says Mr. Fuct. hehe

---------------Kitty
 

Knickers

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Maybe host it on google documents as a .doc file and post the link... or just take the time to make 10 full page posts, copy and paste :)
 

KittyCat

Member
Ah CRAP! Someone help me now, PLEASE!

Didn't think my beans would start sprouting so quick. ( 36 hours! paper towel in plastic bag on a heat pad) I have a ph/TDS meter ordered, but I guess I can't wait. The water company says my ph is 7.8. I need to lower it to 5.0 to presoak my 1.5" rockwool cubes. I'm using General Hydroponics pH down, the orange stuff. How much should I use for a liter of water? And then how much should I use to lower my water to 5.8 to prepare my cubes for planting?

I know, I know, I'm fuct! :) I have more seeds, so if I cook them either high or low, I can start over. Meter should be here in a week, so after that I'll be fine. Anyone? I know it's a guess, but I guess it's better than no pH adjustement. Thanks in advance!

Yep, I'm working on the Fuct Bible - Quotes by Rev. Al B. Fuct!

-------------Kitty
 

dirtysteve

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You could go out and pick up some pH test papers at Home Depot or Lowe's. Probably be in the pool/pond/garden section. Not the most accurate way to test but it will get you in the ballpark.
 

kstampy

Member
So I am mirroring Al's set up almost completely except for medium (hydroton/ez cloner, rockwool makes my skin itchy as hell so not worth it to me) and strain (I just can not find SWT #4 anywhere but a buddy is hooking it up with Block Head! woot) and I took the time and went through the ENTIRE "Harvest every 2 week" thread and copy pasted all the significant information (while minimizing Al's poor knack for generously repeating himself to noobs lol) into a word document.

Mind you it came out to 171 pages because of sigs and ads and all the html and honestly I just use the search function to look things up so I didn't plan on cleaning it up. I could share this if anyone is interested... just let me know what way is best to get it in your hands and I will try to help you guys out. Heck, maybe someone will even want to clean it up :).
 

Hemlock

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no wucking furries, mate. :)



Thanks for the welcome, but I can't really do the whole Q&A trip anymore. I once was putting 6-8h/day into it, inclusive of frequently repeating myself when a new grower would join one of the 'Ask Al' threads late in the game.



Yeppers. While vascular plants themselves can't use sugars as a nutrient, in an organic soil grow, adding sugars will feed certain microbes which help to break down organic matter into nutrients which the plant can absorb. However, you don't get to pick & choose which microbes you're feeding. All of them get a feed. You're encouraging pathogens along with any bacteria which are breaking down organic matter. A yummy sugar solution also attracts insects which can cause you grief later down the track.

In a proper hydro op, the only organic matter present should be the cannabis plants themselves. Those attempting 'organic' hydro ops are on their own. I honestly can not count the number of people running 'organic' hydro ops who have approached me over the years who had root rot probs which could be attributed to nothing but failure of biological pathogen control methods. Since 'organic' hydro nutes are broken down tout suite by H2O2, one can't use H2O2 in such systems.

Bear in mind that the nutrients made bioavailable by natural decomposition of organic matter are the very same nutrients you get in inorganic nutes.
Al I have followed you for years.
However I grow in coco, perlite and red rock and use molasses in my res and have for over two years, Plants seem to really lke it. Getting about 1-1.5 Z off each plant (dry)average.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hi peepholes. Just visiting. :)

Hemlock, as I've said oh-so-many times before, plants can't eat sugars. There may be some benefit to sugars in soil based systems employing organic nutes as the microbes which break down the organics into N, P & K may eat the sugars, but in such an arrangement, there's plenty for the microbes to eat in terms of the organic matter they are breaking down into N, P & K. Don't get me started on the difficulties people encounter with organic nutes...

If using a soilless, inorganic system, which should be sterilised with H2O2, there should be no microbes and you should provide nothing for them to eat to keep tanks clean & clear. You will find that stopping adding molasses will have no effect on your soilless, inorganic hydro system, aside from cleaner tanks.
 

Bob Smith

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Al, great to see you back, friend.

You warned me about going 9/sf, and you were probably right, but I think I might've gotten it to work out *reasonably* for me (chopping tomorrow, so we'll see about weight).

Here's a coupla pics, though - they're from a couple of weeks ago, so they've beefed up a little.
 

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don2009

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Hey Al hows everything going? Fine I hope. Hey I'm having LOTS of trouble cloneing I did 3 batches of 20 clones and I failed them all except my first batch got 7, and im trying to do your harvest 2 wks but I cant get the cloneing thing down pack. Last time I think I sprayed the clones to much with water and then when when you squeeze the stem it has nothing inside of it completly gone so I took the clone out and looked in it ( Iknew it was dead thats why I took it out) it was a hole str8 to the top almost all of them so I did reserch and I think I did mist them to much. Hey I got the cutting down I keep everything clean I soak the cubes for like 15-24hrs I follwed everything you said on your other thread. So I cloned the 3rd time and this time I really fucked up. I have a humidfier a vix one you know the one you use for if you have a cold it let out to much heat on the clones so the top of the clones leafs wilted and turn brown then on top of that on the 6 day I thought they would have a lil roots so I put a little bit of water and a tab bit of flower solution in the tray then they really died IDK what to do I think I should take away those things that I did wrong and then they should work what do you think? I dont know how to maintain them after I cut them, and IDK what triggers the roots to come out thats why im failing plz help I been waiting for you to come back. So I have one set of clones in flower almost 3 wks and my next harvest wouldnt be until a month now cuz I messed up 2 whole batches :( Thanks Al B your the best man.
 
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