What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

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Here's why people want to stop others from believing in religion.
Take Unk and Fram from the year 40000 BCE:
Unk says that a God created everything in the world because there's no other explanation. Fram says Unk's claim makes no sense. Unk beats fram to death with a rock.
Now lets go to the polytheistic religions. Greeks, Early-Mid Romans, and all of the Eastern Dynasties used religion as a means to attack others that didn't share their beliefs. They don't believe in so and so, so lets attack!
If you don't think that the Jews caused any wars, you haven't read the Bible.
When Christianity went main stream (probably b/c of a shroom trip Constantine was on) Rome start killing the fuck out of people in the name of religion.
Then there was the Holy Roman Empire in the dark ages, a lot more wars.
Then there were the Crusades.
Then there was Colonization.
Then there was Imperialism.
Then there was Hilter with his antisemitism.
Now we have the Jihad.
When will all this bullshit stop? When religion stops.
Religion started out with good intention, but turned into something horrible. It's pretty undeniable.

Padawanbater2 said:

Again, what you seem to be saying is "well this, this and this do it too, so what's your point?" "yeah, those are wrong too", I don't think you've expressed a counterpoint to that yet though, so what would you counter that with?

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the point is that where there is bad, there is also good. greed and its cousin envy spur us to achieve greater things. our differences, political and otherwise, force us to face alternatives to what we are comfortable with. religion should be seen in a like manner. since there is no chance we will ever do away with our need for these mythologies, it would seem an attempt at countering and discouraging religion's negative aspects is the only intelligent route. railing against the myth itself is like wrestling a pig in mud or arguing with an idiot.

mccumcumber said:

Here's why people want to stop others from believing in religion.
Take Unk and Fram from the year 40000 BCE:
Unk says that a God created everything in the world because there's no other explanation. Fram says Unk's claim makes no sense. Unk beats fram to death with a rock.
Now lets go to the polytheistic religions. Greeks, Early-Mid Romans, and all of the Eastern Dynasties used religion as a means to attack others that didn't share their beliefs. They don't believe in so and so, so lets attack!
If you don't think that the Jews caused any wars, you haven't read the Bible.
When Christianity went main stream (probably b/c of a shroom trip Constantine was on) Rome start killing the fuck out of people in the name of religion.
Then there was the Holy Roman Empire in the dark ages, a lot more wars.
Then there were the Crusades.
Then there was Colonization.
Then there was Imperialism.
Then there was Hilter with his antisemitism.
Now we have the Jihad.
When will all this bullshit stop? When religion stops.
Religion started out with good intention, but turned into something horrible. It's pretty undeniable.

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Those people are sick, what I'm saying is not every religious person is a hitler. Religion did nothing but these sick people went crazy and killed, it's their fault not religions.

You guys have good points but you can't group all religious people and say they all hold science back and cause so much violence and negativity. There are good religious people who's goal is to bring as much peace as they can to earth, they may have flaws so don't hold them up to huge standards but they do try their hardest to be kind. It's not like just because there's a atheists pedophile then all atheists should be punished and become religious to stop him from being a pedophile, I know that most atheists are really cool people, so it wouldn't be fair. So see how it wouldn't be fair to end all religion just because some crazy people abused it?

undertheice said:

since there is no chance we will ever do away with our need for these mythologies, it would seem an attempt at countering and discouraging religion's negative aspects is the only intelligent route.

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What evidence do you have that would support this claim?

"no chance" seems too absolute of a term to be used in this context.

"only" also absolute.

I disagree with this premise and believe that the only stronghold organized religion has had throughout human history is that people haven't been able to fact check it for themselves. With the advent of the internet, things have already drastically changed direction.

I think we will see the end of organized religion, at least in western civilizations, within the century.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." -Lincoln

Hepheastus420 said:

You guys have good points but you can't group all religious people and say they all hold science back and cause so much violence and negativity. There are good religious people who's goal is to bring as much peace as they can to earth, they may have flaws so don't hold them up to huge standards but they do try their hardest to be kind. It's not like just because there's a atheists pedophile then all atheists should be punished and become religious to stop him from being a pedophile, I know that most atheists are really cool people, so it wouldn't be fair. So see how it wouldn't be fair to end all religion just because some crazy people abused it?

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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Weinberg

The more science explains the universe, the less there is to be explained by God. God somehow managed to write a magical book to help people understand the world without ever mentioning pertinent things like gravity or thermodynamics. How much will science have to explain before there is nothing left for myths to cover? I do not know, but it does seem to be an event that is likely to occur.

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Padawanbater2 said:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Weinberg[/COLOR]

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I may have interpreted this wrong but it sounds to me like he is saying religion makes good people bad. I disagree, if they kill because of there belief then that person was bad all along. If they follow peace then that person must have been good all along. Religion plays no part in how good or evil a person is. Their religion can judge them but they are who they are and if they foolishly follow a path of hatred then they must not have been good from the beginning. I'm not sure if this came out right I'm pretty stoned but yeah that's my opinion (not that it matters).

Hepheastus420 said:

I may have interpreted this wrong but it sounds to me like he is saying religion makes good people bad. I disagree, if they kill because of there belief then that person was bad all along. If they follow peace then that person must have been good all along. Religion plays no part in how good or evil a person is. Their religion can judge them but they are who they are and if they foolishly follow a path of hatred then they must not have been good from the beginning. I'm not sure if this came out right I'm pretty stoned but yeah that's my opinion (not that it matters).

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so you are essentially saying if someone was brainwashed by a cult into committing murder, that person was bad to begin with and probably would have committed the offense otherwise?

what about people in cults? humans can easily be brainwashed into committed violent acts if they think god wants them to. there is plenty of violence in the bible that someone could use to twist the words so people believe certain people are evil or whatever. thats what al qaeda does with islam. they twist certain parts of the religion to fit their agenda. it has happened many times throughout history, and still happens today.

Hepheastus420 said:

I may have interpreted this wrong but it sounds to me like he is saying religion makes good people bad. I disagree, if they kill because of there belief then that person was bad all along. If they follow peace then that person must have been good all along. Religion plays no part in how good or evil a person is. Their religion can judge them but they are who they are and if they foolishly follow a path of hatred then they must not have been good from the beginning. I'm not sure if this came out right I'm pretty stoned but yeah that's my opinion (not that it matters).

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No, he's saying that bad people will do bad things but good people will not generally do bad things unless they feel somehow excused or righteous, mostly because their god commands them to. You probably know Xians that discriminate against gays and lesbians because it's in the bible, don't you? Those people aren't necessarily bad but they are doing bad things to other people that never did anything to them.

Hepheastus420 said:

I may have interpreted this wrong but it sounds to me like he is saying religion makes good people bad.

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No, he's saying for good people to do evil things, it requires religion.

Hepheastus420 said:

I disagree, if they kill because of there belief then that person was bad all along.

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This is a common logical fallacy, no true Scotsman. No matter what the religious person does you can always revert back to this as an excuse.

In scenario 1 you have a group of Christians. They all go to church together every Sunday. In this scenario, all are "true Christians".

In scenario 2, you have the same group of people doing the exact same things except one of them came home early from work and saw his wife sleeping with another man, in a fit of rage he beat the guy to death and landed in prison for second degree murder. To the remaining church goers, there is no way this man could have ever been a "true Christian" because if he was, there is no way that would have ever happened.

Do you see what happened here?

Hepheastus420 said:

Religion plays no part in how good or evil a person is.

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But it does affect a persons critical thinking ability, which could, and in a lot of cases does, render that persons judgment invalid. Religion is the staircase to the attic of intolerance. Science is an open hallway with open doors on each side inviting you in.

Heisenberg said:

The more science explains the universe, the less there is to be explained by God. God somehow managed to write a magical book to help people understand the world without ever mentioning pertinent things like gravity or thermodynamics. How much will science have to explain before there is nothing left for myths to cover? I do not know, but it does seem to be an event that is likely to occur.

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Science is Evil- Nerds should be stoned.

Heisenberg said:

Ah yes, if god wants this man silenced it makes sense that rather then do it himself directly or through natural means, he would inspire you to do it for him, and the method he would chose is for you to pervert his message of love into an expression of hate. I can see you have thought this through. Interesting you suggest that without the idea of god it is okay to smash the heads of people who believe different from you. I guess if the principal isn't watching it's okay to be a bully. How quickly and with barely the slightest push you abandon Christ's teachings and revert to a high school mentality where violence is the answer.

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The lord works in mesterious ways, sometime he speaks to people like profits and sometimes he creates tests for people_ I'm not saying it's ok to be a bully, i'm saying we should follow the ten commandments do live in respect of God, without God what reason do we have not to eat eachother? Without God there is nothing to stop those with power from praying on those weaker than them.

I think religious peoples problem is that they want to voice their belief on the matter and then when another person voices theirs they get offended. =)

Luger187 said:

so you are essentially saying if someone was brainwashed by a cult into committing murder, that person was bad to begin with and probably would have committed the offense otherwise?

what about people in cults? humans can easily be brainwashed into committed violent acts if they think god wants them to. there is plenty of violence in the bible that someone could use to twist the words so people believe certain people are evil or whatever. thats what al qaeda does with islam. they twist certain parts of the religion to fit their agenda. it has happened many times throughout history, and still happens today.

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Yes, a good person wouldn't join a cult that endorses murder without having a bad intention. And yes people can twist scriptures and use it in their advantage. That is why I suggest if you want to believe in a religion then don't follow organized religion because you cannot trust them. For example I read the bible on my own, followed it because I wanted to, and I dont need some guy from church telling me his opinions when he is not important to my relationship with my religion. I believe most churches are corrupt (I may be wrong though).

I would appreciate a well thought out response from you beardo about this post if you don't mind.

beardo said:

The lord works in mesterious ways, sometime he speaks to people like profits and sometimes he creates tests for people

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How do you know it's God and not your imagination or a voice inside your head speaking to you? Your subconscious mind framing conscious thoughts? And if you don't know for sure it's God, how can you possibly attempt to manifest these thoughts and make them become reality? I'm not trying to sound harsh, but that is the behavior of a mentally unstable person.

beardo said:

I'm not saying it's ok to be a bully, i'm saying we should follow the ten commandments

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A contradicting effort it would seem.

beardo said:

without God what reason do we have not to eat eachother?

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That is INSANE beardo. You don't fuckin' eat people because you believe God exists?

beardo said:

Without God there is nothing to stop those with power from praying on those weaker than them.

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So apparently those with power don't prey on those weaker than them in our world, because God exists.

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The Cryptkeeper said:

I think religious peoples problem is that they want to voice their belief on the matter and then when another person voices theirs they get offended. =)

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(not fighting) nah it's not that it's just that some of the people that bash on religion don't just bash on religion, they move on to the believer and begin to make fun of him/her. If anyone wants to make fun of religion then go ahead but we will take it offensive if you call us religious nutjobs. You know, like let's take religious nutjob, it won't hurt us if you make fun of religion then call us religious because you re just saying you don't agree with us. But when you add the nutjob then it's a whole other thing you have just called me a nutjob for nothing. I'm not saying you do this, BTW.
Sorry if it sounds like a rant.

Padawanbater2 said:

I would appreciate a well thought out response from you beardo about this post if you don't mind.



How do you know it's God and not your imagination or a voice inside your head speaking to you? Your subconscious mind framing conscious thoughts? And if you don't know for sure it's God, how can you possibly attempt to manifest these thoughts and make them become reality? I'm not trying to sound harsh, but that is the behavior of a mentally unstable person.A contradicting effort it would seem.



That is INSANE beardo. You don't fuckin' eat people because you believe God exists?



So apparently those with power don't prey on those weaker than them in our world, because God exists.

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1- These are all very real and all proof of the existance of God, my subconsious and the voices in my head are all God and the work of God, the very existance of thoughts is the work of the very God you seek to deny and any voice I hear is the voice of God or the voice of those who work against him.
2-God has the right to bully and if we are following his commandments for the good of man kind then enforcing the 10 commandments is the right thing to do. If we do not enforce the law of God then we are stuck with the laws of man and man is sinful.
3-Why are you so quick to judge and what is sane or insane and by whos standard? Without a sole we are but flesh and we eat animal flesh every day if we evolved from animals why should we be any different? There are many hungry people in this world. If God is not watching and judging your deeds and you're hungry why not eat someone smaller or weaker than you? I don't eat people because of God but yes also because they don't sell them pre packaged at the store and you could probably get introuble if you started eating people but I bet they would taste delicious, and honestly without a sole why would it matter?
4-No i'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying God and acceptance of God helps maintain a somewhat humane human socitey

Hepheastus420 said:

(not fighting) nah it's not that it's just that some of the people that bash on religion don't just bash on religion, they move on to the believer and begin to make fun of him/her. If anyone wants to make fun of religion then go ahead but we will take it offensive if you call us religious nutjobs. You know, like let's take religious nutjob, it won't hurt us if you make fun of religion then call us religious because you re just saying you don't agree with us. But when you add the nutjob then it's a whole other thing you have just called me a nutjob for nothing. I'm not saying you do this, BTW.
Sorry if it sounds like a rant.

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How about when religious folks call the 'non-believers' immoral heathens, or the like? Which is just as frequent a tactic as religious nutjobs wackos looneys weirdo psycho (wow I could go on with the synonyms of crazy xD) etc. etc. =)