White Widow Waterfarm. 1st Journal on the forums.

Serapis

Serapis

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Lowes has some good material for making cheap scrog netting. It is 2.5" mesh, usually used to keep animals out of gardens or to mark off construction sites... In my tent, I placed two bungee cords from pole to pole, opposite of each other. Then, using small bungee cords, attached the mesh to the bungees running the sides. It makes a quick and easy screen, is cheap, and it is light weight, meaning it can't hurt your plants. Here is a pic of the fencing mesh I'm talking about...
 
The Snowman

The Snowman

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Serapis said:
Lowes has some good material for making cheap scrog netting. It is 2.5" mesh, usually used to keep animals out of gardens or to mark off construction sites... In my tent, I placed two bungee cords from pole to pole, opposite of each other. Then, using small bungee cords, attached the mesh to the bungees running the sides. It makes a quick and easy screen, is cheap, and it is light weight, meaning it can't hurt your plants. Here is a pic of the fencing mesh I'm talking about...
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yeah those are nice, but a lot of people actually use a scrog to hold the plant up too
 
Serapis

Serapis

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The Snowman said:
yeah those are nice, but a lot of people actually use a scrog to hold the plant up too
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???

Do you care to define scrog please, cause when I look it up, it is a method more than a single item. The netting that makes up a scrog can be made of wire, plastic, metal, etc. so I don't understand your point.
 
The Snowman

The Snowman

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Serapis said:
???

Do you care to define scrog please, cause when I look it up, it is a method more than a single item. The netting that makes up a scrog can be made of wire, plastic, metal, etc. so I don't understand your point.
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all i was saying was that some people such as myself prefer a more sturdy screen to hold all those fatty budz up? geez
i didn't say those wouldn't work?
sorry about the inconvenience jimbizz
 
Serapis

Serapis

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I get your point now.

I thought about that too, but the more I thought it out, I realized that the screen doesn't actually support the weight, the plant does. The stem bends from underneath the screen and then grows straight up towards light. How does that screen then support the weight? It's mainly a training device. If you are right and the screen does support the weight, I have a handy roll of velcro tape and can always tie the stems to the screen, but I really don't think it will come to that.

I was just confused about the snippet about most people use a scrog..... I was like, a scrog is whatever we happen to make it out of... This plastic will easily support a 16 lb bowling ball. If I ever have a need to support more weight than that, I'll go to a metal screen. :)
 
jimbizzzale67123

jimbizzzale67123

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Yea I was at lowes but the stupid guy kept asking what I was using it for I guess he was genuinely trying to be helpful so I didn't have much time too look and I just grabbed the 1in oh well some more pinching and Ill have all 4in.

And as for that cupping of the leaf I forgot before I took the pics I was attempting to push that leaf through the small 1in square I had it all smashed up in my hand so I guess it did look bad its gone now.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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jimbizzzale67123 said:
Yea I was at lowes but the stupid guy kept asking what I was using it for I guess he was genuinely trying to be helpful so I didn't have much time too look and I just grabbed the 1in oh well some more pinching and Ill have all 4in.

And as for that cupping of the leaf I forgot before I took the pics I was attempting to push that leaf through the small 1in square I had it all smashed up in my hand so I guess it did look bad its gone now.
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I just hate to be out shopping for my grow and have someone come up and ask if they can help me. They always want details of my project, so they get a picture and see what I'm trying to ask for. I'm always afraid I'll slip and say "grow" or "garden".... Damn I can't wait until the day that this shit is not illegal... I know having a garden is not illegal, but in my mind and my security while growing, it sets off alarm bells... lol....

I really need to plow a few rows outside and start some tomatoes or something so that the word "garden" doesn't sound so guilty to me. lol
 
Megalith

Megalith

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Serapis said:
???

Do you care to define scrog please, cause when I look it up, it is a method more than a single item. The netting that makes up a scrog can be made of wire, plastic, metal, etc. so I don't understand your point.
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its is a method. scrog= screen of green. in the method you use a screen to train your plants to grow horizontal maximizing yield by the light hittingall flowers evenly because of the screen
 
Megalith

Megalith

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jimbizzzale67123 said:
Yes I am I have never FIMed before would I do it to all the bud sites or just the top cola. This is my first time using a scrog method, I also didn't know what to do with the big fan leaves will they remain under the screen or do I tuck them through. I already started positioning bud sites through the individual holes and I plan on just weaving them along as they progress during the beginning of flowering when they stretch.
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I would top. I fimmed mine but will top nxt time. Fim is ok but topping will encourage better secondary growth. I topped all my clones already. I cut above the 2nd node when there are 5 or 6. No point in worrying about exact placement now, theyre going to move. Just keep pulling the tops of branches back under for at least the 1st 3 weeks of flower. Tuck fans leaves under. they will eventually yellow and fall off. This method of topping will give you 4 branches vs 1 if you dont.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Megalith said:
I would top. I fimmed mine but will top nxt time. Fim is ok but topping will encourage better secondary growth. I topped all my clones already. I cut above the 2nd node when there are 5 or 6. No point in worrying about exact placement now, theyre going to move. Just keep pulling the tops of branches back under for at least the 1st 3 weeks of flower. Tuck fans leaves under. they will eventually yellow and fall off. This method of topping will give you 4 branches vs 1 if you dont.
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That is a good point. Scrog plants actually should be topped early in growth to encourage new branching. The also allows you to direct the 2-4 mains in different directions on the screen.
 
T.M.B

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hello all, i did do the scottyballs method of germinating and it worked great,I put them in friday afternoon and they are doing great for the first couple days i made a little v with foil so it ran water right on the seed to keep it wet i was afraid of them drying up in front of my eyes.I did not like the looks of chicken wire either i bought fencing at tractor supply company 2inch by 3inch its a 4ft by 6ft scrog table i have 2 400 cmhs.I bought 4 waterfarms but only going with 2 my first time out,1 g-13pe and 1dna sharksbreathe both fem seeds i got free from attitudes promo. I only wish i wouldnt have put them quite so deep in the hydro but seems like it will work out fine.I keep reading scottys journal to make sure i try and follow it to a t,i didnt go with the extra airstone in the bottem either that big airpump i got has those farms bubbling like crazy,I wish i had a camera to share my grow as well but all my cash went into building my set up really happy with the room i built i am just so glad i came upon scottys journal just in time i think his technique is spot on totally stoked.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Megalith said:
I would top. I fimmed mine but will top nxt time. Fim is ok but topping will encourage better secondary growth. I topped all my clones already. I cut above the 2nd node when there are 5 or 6. No point in worrying about exact placement now, theyre going to move. Just keep pulling the tops of branches back under for at least the 1st 3 weeks of flower. Tuck fans leaves under. they will eventually yellow and fall off. This method of topping will give you 4 branches vs 1 if you dont.
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So you got more growing shoots with topping? That is interesting as my experience was different. Whenever I top I get two main trunks. When I FIM I get like 5-6. Topping does however seem to be a little more predictable however as I always get the same result. The FIM results are fairly strain dependent (and FIM dependent). I may just place my plants in a single row next time, top them, and then orient all the stems out towards the sides of the screen. I need to post pics in my journal, my plants are mobbing out of the screen and flowering like mad. Not even out of the second week of flower and they have already slowed and are flowering.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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I get 4 colas after topping, but it takes light to do it. You'll have to cut some leaves off to allow the alternate branches to stretch for the top. If you don't, topping gives only two mains. That has been my experience with topping.
 
jimbizzzale67123

jimbizzzale67123

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Serapis said:
I get 4 colas after topping, but it takes light to do it. You'll have to cut some leaves off to allow the alternate branches to stretch for the top. If you don't, topping gives only two mains. That has been my experience with topping.
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So do you top the main cola completly off and then FIM the two nodes that are now exposed and the new tops to get 4?

What are the main differences between toping and FIMing I am high and confused but I found this great instructional video on youtube.
[video=youtube;QGe_WvezuAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGe_WvezuAc[/video]
 
upthearsenal

upthearsenal

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Topping is good for an even canopy but you remove the primary apical meristem which has the potential for the most potency and to form the largest buds, also, if you remove it it takes a plant longer to respond to light cycle changes... Topping is really popular here on RIU but personally, I prefer simple LST and supercropping, and if anything a FIM is helpful.

Just my view on topping...
 
jimbizzzale67123

jimbizzzale67123

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upthearsenal said:
Topping is good for an even canopy but you remove the primary apical meristem which has the potential for the most potency and to form the largest buds, also, if you remove it it takes a plant longer to respond to light cycle changes... Topping is really popular here on RIU but personally, I prefer simple LST and supercropping, and if anything a FIM is helpful.

Just my view on topping...
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I am just going to keep it simple this time around and maybe go experimental in the future.
 
Megalith

Megalith

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jimbizzzale67123 said:
So do you top the main cola completly off and then FIM the two nodes that are now exposed and the new tops to get 4?

What are the main differences between toping and FIMing I am high and confused but I found this great instructional video on youtube.
[video=youtube;QGe_WvezuAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGe_WvezuAc[/video]
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Fimming should only give you two buds on the main stem that you fim. It also encourages secondary growth. When you top you essentially turn 1 branch into two. I have done both and prefer topping for scrogg. My way, asI learned by Uncle Ben is to cut above the 2nd node when theyre are 5 or 6. This gives you four mains. Also better for scrog and also encourages secondary growth
 
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