undertheice
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and now for something completely different
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Why Abortion is Moral
- Thread starter Padawanbater2
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beardo
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Your right it is not for me to control and I didn't say it was. The title of the thread is why abortion is moral but it is not. My job is to voice my opion that abortion is wrong. their are laws against weed put in place by some of those people who think smoking weed is wrong. I just find it horrible that the majority of people are more concerned with making rules against using plants than against killing people. I realize abortion is legal but that does not mean I have to believe or say it is not wrong.
doc111
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Smoking weed=victimless crime
Medically unnecessary abortion=murder
You can't even compare the 2
Any questions?
LightningMcGreen
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What about animals that smother, eat, or leave behind their young because they have a defect? That's worse than an abortion to me.
beardo
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I think people should hold themselves to a higher standard than animals but what your talking about would be more of a euthanasia if you were to apply the situation to humans
LightningMcGreen
Active Member
Agreed with the euthanasia.
However...I don't think were so much above animals...matter of fact, sometimes I think some of us are a little bit below lol (we all know "that guy" or group)
We eat, sleep, shit, and reproduce. Difference between us and animals, we're more of a virus to the earth, and unlike animals, we are always trying to outgaine one another...financially, socially...
So we have bipedal movement and can drive a car, or build a skyscraper. But most (not all, but most) of those capabilities are more detrimental to the earth than any species of animal can cause. We are aware of our situations, surroundings, and actions. But we won't hesitate to kill an annoying fly, or butcher a mink for a nice, expensive fur coat. And since technically, we evolved from animals, what makes our lives so much more special than theirs?
laughingduck
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These abortion discussions use to make me ill until i realized the all these sick fucks that have no appreciation for life except when its their lives at stake. The folks that think abortions are a-ok are just exterminating themselves, i think it is a form of natural selection. Like animals that are so dumb that they eat their own young.
Padawanbater2
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$100 says you can't find me one person who thinks "abortions are a-ok".
You talk about it like women like having them. Obviously I don't think you believe that..
Again, you're just arguing your point of view from an emotional foundation. UTI says you can't take all emotion out of an issue, I agree with him, but everything we know about ourselves and other animals tells us that emotions cloud judgment, and when making critical decisions about something, it's best to leave emotions at the door. When you do that, you will see the clear benefits behind terminating a pregnancy early if such a thing should have to happen.
undertheice
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if we leave that emotional component "at the door" any abomination can be justifiable. our emotions are more than just ephemeral feelings, they are a reaction to some of our most deep seated beliefs the result of an understanding of what is best for the continuation of the species. those unimportant emotions lead us to protect ourselves and those around us, to care for the weaker among us and even to procreate. there is some logic and reason behind our emotions, the logic of instinct and cultural mores.
of course our emotions may "cloud" issues. every aspect of our thought processes adds another layer of information to the mix that we must muddle through toward some conclusion. life is not the black and white proposition that purely scientific thought would like it to be. we are not machines. life is not some binary code where all the switches are either on or off. things would certainly be simpler if it were, but neither is life simple.
when is it that abortion "should have to happen"? are we once again off on that tangent where rape, incest and the imminent threat to the health of the mother are used to justify the wholesale abortion on demand industry?
laughingduck
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The problem is women who use abortion as a form of "oops i fucked up" birth control. Nobody wants to to talk about the emotional damage it does to women. I think it should only be a hard choice when the womens life is at stake. This partial birth abortion is murder! When you kill a babie on the other side of the womb to skirt the law is bullshit. The doctor induces labor, reaches up in the women with a stungun of sorts finds the spinal cord right below the head of the babies and shoots the instrument into the spine of the child. Babie is born dead, in most cases and thrown in the trash. Maybe i am "just nieve" but it sure sounds like murder to me.
tinyTURTLE
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where are these mythical women who use abortion as birth controll?
i have yet to see any documented cases.
and we have been talking about the emotional damage it does to women.
you must not have read that part.
if you don't beleive in abortion, don't get one.
get a vasectomy instead, they prevent abortion.
in reality that's as much controll as you have.
those two choices.
beyond that, unless you are gonna take care of every unwanted child,
shut your judgy cockholster about it.
undertheice
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documented? will you accept anecdotal evidence? how about my sister's two abortions, direct results of her lapses in attention to the details of her birth control methods. over my lifetime i have known several women who have had multiple abortions and i'm damn near a hermit. i'm certain that there are very few women out there that would consider abortion as their primary means of birth control, but those who believe it to be a secondary means would seem to be legion.
isn't that sort of like saying that is you don't believe in murder don't commit the act, but that we should allow others to engage in it to their heart's content?
congratulations on what might be your only worthwhile contribution to this thread. we can blame women all day long for the rise in abortions, but that's only because they are the ones who have the final decision in the matter. what comes before is every bit as important. the cavalier attitude of many men concerning the outcome of their sexual encounters is as much to blame as the ignorance or indolence of their partners. one of the results of the "sexual revolution" is a spectacularly casual view of sex in general. unless both sides of the equation are willing to accept their responsibility in the creation of life, the problem of unwanted pregnancy and its resultant abortions can only increase. this might be considered as just another repercussion of our culture's growing denial of any personal responsibility.
Padawanbater2
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I disagree. I believe we can discern what is right and wrong via scientific means. Sam Harris argues this very point in his book The Moral Landscape; http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Th...Harris/e/9781439171219/?itm=2&USRI=sam+harris
How do you personally decide who was more correct in their judgment, Hitler or Gandhi? Is it an emotional reaction to their actions that decide for you or can you logically look at what they did and decide from there?
I partly agree with this. You point out the positive aspect emotional responses can have on our species, which I agree with. I never said emotions or emotional reactions are always a bad thing. I said emotions cloud our judgment, just like drugs. This can lead toterrible things. More often than not, most people approach this issue from an emotional standpoint, exactly how LD has, even after I pointed it out twice. They can't look at it any other way, which is a problem. There's no room for emotions in science. That's what this is, a scientific/medical issue.
Right, but what about jealousy, anger, envy, lust... I could go on and on. You fail to represent emotions as positive as well as negative. They also lead us to murder, rape, child abuse, theft, imo, much worse things than good things. That's my main issue with leading with emotions instead of logic/reasoning. In a sense, they're mutually exclusive, they're two different feet. You need both to stand upright but you lead with L/R.
I might be half Vulcan..
"Should have to happen" meaning when the mother (or family) feels that's the best option available given all the circumstances. Like you said, the worlds not black and white, these things should be decided on a case by case basis, and not by you or me, by the family or mother/father having the abortion. I don't think it's up to me to decide something like that. If I were going through the same situation with my wife I'd feel like nobody has the right to tell me what to do, it's my, or our decision. That's one of the most personal things I can think of dealing with in life.
Please get educated and stop thinking with your heart. It's in the right place, but it doesn't belong in this discussion. You shouldn't be using any !!!. That's a sure sign right there you need to look at it differently. Especially if you're a male.
Do you really believe abortions are murder?
Come on man, do you really think all of us guys in the younger generation don't care if we knock a chick up? You've gotta be kidding me! That's a big concern, not to mention contracting an STD. Most people, in general, are just fucking retarded, especially here in the states where they have the right to be and they won't die of starvation for being that way, doesn't matter what generation they come from.
Why shouldn't sex be viewed as casual? It's natural, and when done right, safe and fun. It strengthens bonds between people and is proven to be beneficial in just about every aspect of human life. We bring emotion and perverted "tradition" into it mixed with extreme ignorance in sexual education in most of the planets youth and it's a clear recipe for high abortion rates. Swap out ignorance for kids that know what having sex will lead to if done without precaution, know about STD's, know about condoms, are educated in sex and remove all the taboos religion brings to the table and I guarantee abortion rates will drop significantly.
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