mindphuk
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As if it's the atheists running around hating Jews and gays. Seems to be more of the pastime of the religious.
Why Are People Anti-Religious?
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Heisenberg
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In bold is my response from the last time someone made this statement without thinking it through. Equivocating non-belief in God with committing heinous acts is a blatant duplicity and no intelligent person here is going to tolerate it.
We have said it, over and over and over in many threads. Pick any name from that list, any example, and ask yourself. Was the problem here that these people were being too rational?
Lets take Jim Jones. Did this atrocity occur because Jim and his followers applied too much critical thought? Did they demand too much evidence and were too consistent in their logic? Was the problem that they wanted things to make too much sense?
Lets take Kim Jong. Is the problem with this situation that he and his people apply too much analysis? Are they being too careful in their thinking and being too reasonable in their actions? Are they too concerned with being conscientious and precise?
Lets take Jeffrey Dahmer. Was his rape, murder and cannibalistic acts a result of being too focused on legitimacy? Was he requiring too much validation and keeping his thoughts too organized? Was he too involved with accuracy and fastidious inquiry?
Do I need to go through the entire list? Skepticism is essentially what every atheist here is promoting. We advocate applying critical examination to the claim of a deity. Is this what lead Alfred Kinsey to exploit children for sex?
The 'anti-religious' posters in this sub forum are simply promoting rational skepticism. We are trying to discourage dogmatic adherence to an ideology, which was the engine of Hitlers reign. Knowing that we do not believe in God tells you nothing about what we do believe in or what our intentions are.
Exactly.
All humans tend to long for explanations/answers to this incredible universe, but how we view our world philosophically/spiritually (or the stuff that are not generally agreed on) is very subjective. Our perspectives can differ a lot.
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We're a curious species - which is good, of course (benefits science/research for instance).
But I guess our curiousity also are a reason we have so many religions around the globe, it's our need for answers.
And discussing these things tend to get emotional.
I sometimes get emotional when discussing God (or to me: the reason that stuff exists at all - the universe), I almost find it arrogant when people claim facts about anything at all regarding "God". I know that I don't know shit about "God", that's why I see no reason to claim anything.
If you read behind the lines, you'll have understood I have a personal "God".
To say it short: My "God" is simply the reason for stuff, or the birth of the universe. "God" could even just be a "mechanism", I don't know. Humans could be a side-effect, I don't know. That's the point, I don't know and it doesn't bother me at all!
So to me, personal "God" that you philosophically think about is very different to organized religion which are very certain that this and that is true for certain (regarding their version of God).
I recognize how little our sorry human brains are, and how limited our understanding regarding this subject is.
BTW: just because I use the word "God" to describe the reason/mechanism for stuff/universe doesn't mean I believe it to be true. I don't know anything about this subject for a fact, I can only say what I find most likely. But I could be wrong, and that's fine.
olylifter420
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Coolest atheist on the block. All you other atheist could learn something from this guy.
eye exaggerate
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Mr.Grønn;6524294 said:
Your post looks a little to me like something I've been reading about. I'm not labeling anything, just writing what I felt was an overtone.
And really, all of this stuff eventually starts to look like 2D drawings of cells and smaller 'stuff' after a while.
Panentheism
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Panentheism is a constructed word composed of the English equivalents of the Greek terms pan, meaning all, en, meaning in, and theism, meaning God. Panentheism understands God and the world to be inter-related with the world being in God and God being in the world. It offers an increasingly popular alternative to traditional theism and pantheism. Panentheism seeks to avoid both isolating God from the world as traditional theism often does and identifying God with the world as pantheism does. Traditional theistic systems emphasize the difference between God and the world while panentheism stresses God's active presence in the world. Pantheism emphasizes God's presence in the world but panentheism maintains the identity and significance of the non-divine. Anticipations of panentheistic understandings of God have occurred in both philosophical and theological writings throughout history (Hartshorne and Reese 1953; Cooper, 2006). However, a rich diversity of panentheistic understandings has developed in the past two centuries primarily in Christian traditions responding to scientific thought (Clayton and Peacocke 2004).
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Great answer but the majority of atheists here seem bent on arguing, belaboring, validating and forcing their viewpoint down everyone elses throats. Everything I bring up they want to argue with me about it. I clearly said from the outset on this thread that I was not here to debate or argue, but no, they want to argue and force their views on everyone else as if their view is absolutely incontrovertible fact, when it is not even close. It is amazing how arrogant and stupid some people are to throw out "facts" with only the slightest hint of knowledge and expect people to swallow them without any critical thought. You are the very thing you despise and you would take from others the rights you demand. You want to shut every mouth of every religion on earth and never ever hear another word about any supreme being. You want it your way and have zero tolerance for any others points of view. You are doing more to convince me that the Bible is truth than any Bible thumper could ever do. Some of you are just plain evil. Take that however you want but that's the way some of you have come across, pure hatred and intolerance.
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